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The argument made for Arteta is a relative one, people are saying well Pep & Zidane both had success in their first years despite limited experience, so why not Arteta.
Well then fair enough, but if that is the argument made for Arteta, then it needs to be applied = we should expect success in the first season or he gets the sack.
If you think you can make the argument that he should be manager based on the success of other inexperience managers, then dont move the goal pots later on and say he needs time to adjust if he doesn't initially succeed.
Slight difference, one had Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, the other had Ronaldo, Benzema and Kroos.
We've got Mustafi, Xhaka and Iwobi.
Okay slightly unfair Ozil, Aubameyang and Lacazette doesn't sound as bad.
With the disasterous contract handed to Wenger last season, this appointment needs to be successful otherwise Gazidis should go. The man is a snake and will do whatever it takes to keep his job.
I think this was decided before he left for City. If it goes wrong I see a period of civil war that may last for some time. I just don't see Kroenke selling Arsenal no matter what the fans do.
Fans vs Gazidis and Josh Kroenke who will win ?
talks are taking place today with Arteta today.
by strange coincidence this is also the day that Wenger is back at the club to "clear out his desk", but no doubt will have a lot of input into these "talks"
I predict Arteta will be unveiled as the new manager tomorrow.
Arsene Wenger says that Mikel Arteta has all the qualities needed to take over from him at Arsenal.
talks are taking place today with Arteta today.
by strange coincidence this is also the day that Wenger is back at the club to "clear out his desk", but no doubt will have a lot of input into these "talks"
I predict Arteta will be unveiled as the new manager tomorrow.
Arsene Wenger says that Mikel Arteta has all the qualities needed to take over from him at Arsenal.
Why on earth would the club, now knowing Wenger's massive ego & massive failings, go with someone he endorses. Surely an endorsement from him would set all the alarms off??
We have gone backwards as a club for the past however many seasons, the board has finally stepped in to say ENOUGH, so why on earth would they now listen to a thing the man responsible for the decline, has to say??.
talks are taking place today with Arteta today.
by strange coincidence this is also the day that Wenger is back at the club to "clear out his desk", but no doubt will have a lot of input into these "talks"
I predict Arteta will be unveiled as the new manager tomorrow.
Arsene Wenger says that Mikel Arteta has all the qualities needed to take over from him at Arsenal.
Why on earth would the club, now knowing Wenger's massive ego & massive failings, go with someone he endorses. Surely an endorsement from him would set all the alarms off??
We have gone backwards as a club for the past however many seasons, the board has finally stepped in to say ENOUGH, so why on earth would they now listen to a thing the man responsible for the decline, has to say??.
Yes, I agree. Gazidis is clearly doing whatever he can to seize control, so I don't think - after successfully ousting Wenger and sacking all of his coaches to clear the air - he would then ask for Wenger's advice. Gazidis just wants to do his own thing. I'm guessing that Bould and Lehmann would have been sacked too, but Ivan may have worried that sacking ex-players (arguably legends) would have been received poorly by the fans.
Also, is Wenger only clearing out his desk today because it was assumed that he'd be managing in the Europa final last night? I'd have personally refused him entry into the stadium and have somebody send a box of his possessions at a later stage.
The argument made for Arteta is a relative one, people are saying well Pep & Zidane both had success in their first years despite limited experience, so why not Arteta.
Well then fair enough, but if that is the argument made for Arteta, then it needs to be applied = we should expect success in the first season or he gets the sack.
If you think you can make the argument that he should be manager based on the success of other inexperience managers, then dont move the goal pots later on and say he needs time to adjust if he doesn't initially succeed.
The difference is that both had at least managed their club's B teams before they got their main job - arteta has ZERO managerial experience.
Second point is that both took over clubs that were in a fairly good condition and were not far away from success and with the financial resources to make that step - arteta is coming into an absolute shitfest, without having the type of funds to fix it straight away, without having the profile to attract top quality players to lift us to the required level, and again without having any experience or pedigree for doing this kind of a job
Arteta will only be a glorified coach ,Gazidis and his flunkies will decide who we buy or sell !
His job will be to coach ,drill and inspire what he is given !
Arsenal are in great shape ????? Financially that is !
I think GAzids shot his bolt a little early on this one ,I thinl he intended to play up Allegri,viera et all , until season ticket renewals came in (by June 1st) and then reveal Arteta .
I can only believe the delay in the appointment is because Arteta himself has 2nd thoughts !
Shame abt Boro leaving ,still after trousering 3 million quid a year he's unlikely to through himself of the bridge in his hometown ,which is something I've always wanted to do !
The argument made for Arteta is a relative one, people are saying well Pep & Zidane both had success in their first years despite limited experience, so why not Arteta.
Well then fair enough, but if that is the argument made for Arteta, then it needs to be applied = we should expect success in the first season or he gets the sack.
If you think you can make the argument that he should be manager based on the success of other inexperience managers, then dont move the goal pots later on and say he needs time to adjust if he doesn't initially succeed.
The difference is that both had at least managed their club's B teams before they got their main job - arteta has ZERO managerial experience.
Second point is that both took over clubs that were in a fairly good condition and were not far away from success and with the financial resources to make that step - arteta is coming into an absolute shitfest, without having the type of funds to fix it straight away, without having the profile to attract top quality players to lift us to the required level, and again without having any experience or pedigree for doing this kind of a job
Arteta will only be a glorified coach ,Gazidis and his flunkies will decide who we buy or sell !
His job will be to coach ,drill and inspire what he is given ! Arsenal are in great shape ????? Financially that is !
I think GAzids shot his bolt a little early on this one ,I thinl he intended to play up Allegri,viera et all , until season ticket renewals came in (by June 1st) and then reveal Arteta .
I can only believe the delay in the appointment is because Arteta himself has 2nd thoughts !
Shame abt Boro leaving ,still after trousering 3 million quid a year he's unlikely to through himself of the bridge in his hometown ,which is something I've always wanted to do !
I never said that buddy - I said that we are an absolute shitfest
With the disasterous contract handed to Wenger last season, this appointment needs to be successful otherwise Gazidis should go. The man is a snake and will do whatever it takes to keep his job.
''meet the new boss ... same as the old boss''
Who sang that?
The Who....and the song "Won't get fooled Again "...mmmm
talks are taking place today with Arteta today.
by strange coincidence this is also the day that Wenger is back at the club to "clear out his desk", but no doubt will have a lot of input into these "talks"
I predict Arteta will be unveiled as the new manager tomorrow.
Arsene Wenger says that Mikel Arteta has all the qualities needed to take over from him at Arsenal.
Why on earth would the club, now knowing Wenger's massive ego & massive failings, go with someone he endorses. Surely an endorsement from him would set all the alarms off??
We have gone backwards as a club for the past however many seasons, the board has finally stepped in to say ENOUGH, so why on earth would they now listen to a thing the man responsible for the decline, has to say??.
There are so, so many reasons not to give this job to arteta, that it is totally bizarre that he is going to get it
Arteta will only be a glorified coach ,Gazidis and his flunkies will decide who we buy or sell !
His job will be to coach ,drill and inspire what he is given !
But now there is a clear line drawn.
If the tactics are sh*t blame Arteta (or whoever the manager is), if the players are sh*t Gazidis has nowhere to hide.
talks are taking place today with Arteta today.
by strange coincidence this is also the day that Wenger is back at the club to "clear out his desk", but no doubt will have a lot of input into these "talks"
I predict Arteta will be unveiled as the new manager tomorrow.
Arsene Wenger says that Mikel Arteta has all the qualities needed to take over from him at Arsenal.
Why on earth would the club, now knowing Wenger's massive ego & massive failings, go with someone he endorses. Surely an endorsement from him would set all the alarms off??
We have gone backwards as a club for the past however many seasons, the board has finally stepped in to say ENOUGH, so why on earth would they now listen to a thing the man responsible for the decline, has to say??.
Apologies for the pessimistic tone but i truly believe the club is going into years of stagnation.....only 3rd best club in London FFS
Ok I exagerate and my blind hatred of fat sam is well known on here - I suppose the point I was trying to make is, that almost any experienced manager (except wenkercunt) would be a far, far better appointment than giving the job to a guy that has never managed in his life. To compound the issue, the rookie manager concerned (arteta) and the guy he is rumoured to be bringing in alongside him (cazorla) are both tippy tappy disciples whose mantra has always been about entertaining football, when they are the exact qualities that we dont need in the next manager.
that's pretty much my thinking - literally any manager that can organize a defence, can do the job.
we have a squad of players who have had their natural instincts to play with pace and directness brainwashed out of them, along with man to man marking, practicing long shots, free kicks and corners etc etc
we lost most of the absolute fundamentals of the game under the previous manager.
so we need someone to bring those back.
I just pray that the City set up opened up Arteta's eyes wide.
otherwise enjoy tippy tappy and 7th place next season.
Henry being linked with the job now,apparently the board will speak to him next week,ffs who next are we gonna speak to? How about Petit or Overmars? if they wanted Henry they would have had him by now,stop this pissing about and get the right man in,99% of clubs sack their manager with their next one already lined up or a really god idea who they want,but hey this is Arsenal where its normal to do things arse about face then moan that we cant get the quality in player wise or managerial wise,joke,another thing is the AKB's have been saying for years 'who do you get?' as an excuse to keep wenger, well the fact is right now is a great time to looking for a new manager when Ancelotti is free,Conte's future is uncertain, Allegri isn't yet tied down,Enrique is available plus there are other top options out there available too,only Arsenal could go down the route of bargain basement shopping right now and bringing in a novice
this is also the day that Wenger is back at the club to "clear out his desk", but no doubt will have a lot of input into these "talks"
