As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
You're missing the point. I'm merely questioning why someone would assume that Arteta would indulge the slackers rather than kick them into shape? What evidence is there to base that claim on? Especially considering the fact he's been working with the best manager in the world (who would obviously not tolerate slackers) and hence would likely pick up those ethos from said manager as well?
It's quite simple, he's seen Wenger go soft on his players for years. Plus as a player, Arteta never displayed anything on the pitch that suggests he wouldn't be anything but a pushover as a manager.
Look at Zidane, he went round headbutting people, you just know he could control the likes of Ronaldo.
The reason Arteta is fav, is because the club want a yes man. And boy have they got one here.
You're missing the point. I'm merely questioning why someone would assume that Arteta would indulge the slackers rather than kick them into shape? What evidence is there to base that claim on? Especially considering the fact he's been working with the best manager in the world (who would obviously not tolerate slackers) and hence would likely pick up those ethos from said manager as well?
Him being club captain during Wenger’s powderpuff, top 4 obsessed era doesn’t fill me with vast amounts of confidence. After all he was one of many players who was kept at the club for at least a season longer than could possibly be justified.
I can't help but feel that Wenger's limited endorsement of Arteta was a double edged sword. If he is successful then Wenger told us so , but if he fails then Wenger looks better.
He doesn't have a bad group of players but he needs to organise them . If it's the case that he is Gazidis' poodle then perhaps the backroom clear out comes from his experience of them whilst he was a player. Firstly the appaling treatment of Cazorla should be enough to have the whole medical team purged and as the Wenger team leaves he has a clean canvas to work on . Has he commented to Ivan that Bouldy was being ignored and we will see him retained and an improvement of the defence . it's too late for Kos and Mustaphi but we have younger players that can be moulded into real defenders and bring in another experienced centre back ( not Evans ) and if the keeper is better protected perhaps Macey or Martinez are good enough to step forward.
However during this period of finding out we have to be prepared to win some and lose some but if as a club we show a willingness to go forward we as fans must get behind the project and not keep looking back.
Suddenly Arteta has transformed into this worldly figure with an enormous reputation behind him.
Funny, I thought he was a former Rangers & Everton player and got lucky being one of the mad transfer dash following the 8-2 thrashing.
Thats Arteta's legacy. He was recruited to this club spontaneously and was in the same shopping basket along with Andre Santos, Yossi Benayoun and Per Mertesacker. Yet for some reason many in the media are trying to sell him as a football great. No, he never played for Spain, never played for Barcelona, and proved that he was never a great player as he was rubbish for us. A very poor mans Fabregas.
Im sick of reading and hearing 'former Arsenal great, Mikel Arteta'. NO!! he wasnt a great player, he was just a player. The mark he left on Arsenal is no bigger than Christopher Wreh or Abou Diaby. Arteta was just one of the many players to have played for Arsenal. he didnt do anything to distinguish himself, he didnt even leave a memory - like Wiltord did with his goal at Old Trafford, or Kanu's hatrick at Chelsea.
Im so tired of this club. They cant even help themselves.
So now what you were like as a player dictates how good of a manager you will be? Interesting....news to me.
Wonder how Pep got to be the best in the business then, considering he had no aggression at all as a player.
Or how about Mourinho? Oh wait he didn't even play professional football.
And why is him being a player under Wenger's management and the "education" he may have received more significant that what he experienced working with Guardiola?
Also, Arteta was a pushover? When, how? He wasn't a big powerful bloke a la Vieira, but he certainly wasn't a pushover and I can't recall him being one.
Look if he gets the job I hope he does well. Obviously being involved in the set up at City for the last two years is a good thing.
But it’s completely understandable to have concerns that his only perspective of Arsenal football club (and playing football at a big club) was being a ‘leader’ and captain during that period. No matter how many flippant comments you want to make.
Agree with the sentiment that even if Allegri were to come in you’re looking at a minimum 2-3 season turnaround before we could be realistic challengers for the big prizes again.
Wenger has left an absolute cluster fuck behind with so many players completely institutionalized they will need to be broken down and put back together again. Goalkeeper, defense and midfield need to be rebuilt and the amount of work required on the training field will be immense.
Basically we’re like a giant cruise ship that been sailing full steam in the wrong direction for years. Fucking Wenger overboard has caused it to slow down, now the long process of turning the bastard around, facing it in the right direction and beginning to move forward again begins.
Also, Arteta was a pushover? When, how? He wasn't a big powerful bloke a la Vieira, but he certainly wasn't a pushover and I can't recall him being one.
You go on as if he was Denilson or Arshavin, ffs.
He was club captain, when did you ever see him cajoling and encouraging the younger players or barking orders trying to organise the team structure. How anyone cannot see he was a Wengerite is beyond me, that's why he was made captain.
As a manager, you get respect from players for two reasons, one you have "done it" as a player and secondly how you handle yourself behind the scenes and your presence in the dressing room. Can you honestly see Arteta letting rip in the dressing room after a bad first half?
Guardiola has a sharp side to him, you can see that, there is no sign of it with Arteta.
I couldn't have told you that Guardiola had that side to him while he was a player though.
No one knows what Arteta is like as a manager. Why are you assuming because he's a "Wengerite" (whatever that means), that he would be powder puff as a manager? And who's to say he's a "Wengerite" anyway? Why couldn't he be a Guardiola man? Didn't he leave Wenger to go and work with Guardiola after all?
Whether he has a side to him or not remains to be seen. We don't know that. You weren't in the dressing room to see how he handled matters as a captain, so you can't assume anything based off of that either.
Speaking of Arteta's confidence perhaps being a good indicator. The most confident striker we ever had, was Bentdner.
Precisely.
He may or may not be confident in his abilities, but that's no benchmark of what his abilities actually are.
Anyone who's studied management theory knows that employees who are convinced of their ability are the dangerous ones, because it's tempting to believe them, rather than assess whether they are actually up to the job.
Speaking of Arteta's confidence perhaps being a good indicator. The most confident striker we ever had, was Bentdner.
Precisely.
He may or may not be confident in his abilities, but that's no benchmark of what his abilities actually are.
Anyone who's studied management theory knows that employees who are convinced of their ability are the dangerous ones, because it's tempting to believe them, rather than assess whether they are actually up to the job.
That's a very good point. I'm sure we have all encountered these dangerous bastards over the years, the type who spend their working day plotting their next move up the greasy pole rather than doing their job. Suffice to say they get caught out as being fucking useless at which point the trick is to big them up so you can get rid of them to some other unsuspecting mug. Probably fits the bill for a number of the board I suspect.
