The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Gunner Rob]

looks like Brexit is going to die a death then as I have predicted on here over the past couple of years.
it has always been unworkable and there no longer appears much appetite for it in any case.

I think people want it more than ever now we realise how badly we've been conned ,but I always said it wouldn't happen or be so diluted that we are basically still in it.

Theresa Mays delays and fudges are all part of the plan its as transparent as a love islanders lingerie !

yes LEAVERS were conned into believing all would be wonderful outside the EU, when of course in reality the opposite is true, unless you are part of the elite like Jacob Rees-Mogg and his chums.
anyone who STILL thinks a hard Brexit will be a good idea for the UK (the EU will never agree to a soft Brexit and why should they) must be a complete and utter moron!

[A11M11]

I don't recall anyone saying that life would be wonderful outside the E.U but that the opportunity to make it so would be there had the dream of independence been realised. Coming away from the Union would always have been complicated could have been achieved with a different negotiation policy. Unfortunately the U.K 's position has been whittled down from within. German businesses are now pressuring Merkel to avoid a hard Brexit and the Danes are worried about their bacon business too.
That was our first mistake , we wanted to be friends and they walked over us . We should have said that's it were packing our bags - goodbye.
At this point we would have got a much more concilliatory response from Barnier , Junker , Verhoffsted et al.
they never believed that we meant it and with a continuous drip feed from remaining politicians they never believed that we would go through with it.
You say that anyone who STILL thinks a hard Brexit will be a good idea for the UK (the EU will never agree to a soft Brexit and why should they) must be a complete and utter moron!
That may be true , but it was the first line of the negotiation that should have been used , the implied threat should have been the opening gambit . That's negotiation.
Paul merson's father once told him to aim for the sky and he might have hit the ceiling . We allowed them to dictate the terms and cosequently are now scrabbling around tyring to avoid the basement.
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[Gunner Rob]

then the Leave Team should have had a plan in place when we left !

the EU have always held the upper hand because:
1) they always had a plan - we didn't
2) there are 27 of them v 1 of us. common sense therefore will tell you that we need them far more than they need us.
in time they can easily adapt to doing without the UK, however we are totally stuffed if we are not able to trade easily and move freely within the EU.

Since 23 June 2016 this country has been a total embarrassment. Whereas before we held a degree of power and influence in the world, now we are just a laughing stock. well done Brexiteers

[Herd]

I'm not moron Rob and if you tried to call me that my face I would crush you like a grape fuck your , and sell your for medical research ,so cut out the trash talk cos you cant walk the walk.
The Brexit was hoisted upon us without much preparation, however it did give us a valuable and unique opportunity to exit a failing juggernaut which is lurching towards the cliff edge and will sink like a stone in the next 15 years under a mountain of bad debt !
The only way to leave is a hard exit stance but whilst the Eu hold some cards we are too lilly livered to call their bluff .
What we will end up with is a pathetic fudge which will mean we are still as hamstrunged as before .
The eu doesn't really have to do anything ,it just waits until we make a proposal and reject it ,May doesn't want Brexit so she will fold time and again !
It's disappointing but hardly surprising !

[Gunner Rob]

I'm not moron Rob and if you tried to call me that my face I would crush you like a grape fuck your , and sell your for medical research ,so cut out the trash talk cos you cant walk the walk.
The Brexit was hoisted upon us without much preparation, however it did give us a valuable and unique opportunity to exit a failing juggernaut which is lurching towards the cliff edge and will sink like a stone in the next 15 years under a mountain of bad debt !
The only way to leave is a hard exit stance but whilst the Eu hold some cards we are too lilly livered to call their bluff .
What we will end up with is a pathetic fudge which will mean we are still as hamstrunged as before .
The eu doesn't really have to do anything ,it just waits until we make a proposal and reject it ,May doesn't want Brexit so she will fold time and again !
It's disappointing but hardly surprising !

that of course is just your opinion.
it is not necessarily correct, and yet you are quite happy for the UK to lose thousands of jobs just because you think the EU might struggle in the future ???

and if you say we won't even get the hard brexit which you think is so wonderful then what is the actual point in leaving ??

[A11M11]

The leave team may well have had a vision but they inherited a remain prime minister that went behind their backs with a dyed in the wool pro eu civil service that have shaped and reshaped the vision throughout the process.
One by one they are dropping out of the cabinet and those on the back benches are losing faith with May. I would not be surprised to see a split and a new party form which might not win an election but certainly could hold the balance of power.

[Gunner Rob]

The leave team may well have had a vision but they inherited a remain prime minister that went behind their backs with a dyed in the wool pro eu civil service that have shaped and reshaped the vision throughout the process.
One by one they are dropping out of the cabinet and those on the back benches are losing faith with May. I would not be surprised to see a split and a new party form which might not win an election but certainly could hold the balance of power.

I’m hardly a fan of the Tories but have you leavers ever considered that trying to implement Brexit is actually much more complicated than you had thought?

I don’t really know what you are trying to achieve.
Surely you can see by now that the Leave campaign was just based on a load of lies. There are no benefits to the UK as a result of Brexit,unless you are rich.

[Herd]

The financial institutions that run our world were never going to let it happen Rob.
They run this world, Governments and political parties are an increasing irrelevancy that serve the banks and corporations interests not the people they are supposed to serve ie us.
The EU is the same and its all propped up on debt making nations and its peoples debt slaves !
The debt of the eu is huge and since the disastrous decision to annex eastern Europe has cost us all very dearly .

We are strong enough to stand alone but it wont happen because there is zero intellligent driving force !


Sad but true !

[A11M11]

I don't think you understand any benefit that doesn't put money in your pocket. there are possible benefits of leaving for the youth of today and their next generation
1 :- Not having to suffer the youth unemployment of Greece ,Italy , Spain . Although we have over half a million under 25's unemployed now the above countries have hit much higher figures and show no sign of them coming down.
2 :- Not having to be conscripted into an army to compensate.
3 :- Not being tied to a dogmatic mantra on agriculture and fish therefor growing more and landing the fish that we are forced to throw away.
4 :- Having the ability to subsidise industries to redevelop where they have fallen aside and the subsidiaries that come with them.
5 :- Opportunities in the shipping industries as containers will dock here rather than Rotterdam.
6 :- Cheaper food as we remove ourselves from the protectionist policies of the E.U.
7 :- Also cheaper clothing for the same reasons.

Effectively the whole process has been hijacked by those that fear their financial wellbeing might be affected- The important stuff to discuss was relating to Open Skies , Visas , E.U citizen's rights and those of U.K citizens abroad. Trade would always look after itself as we both need each other. problems have been put in the way of the whole process to slow it down , firstly because our negotiators don't really want to leave and secondly because the E.u want to see the money keep rolling in and as Herd suggests because the Rothschild's /Bilderberg group don't want to see their grip on the world's economies affected in any way..

[Gunner Rob]

I don't think you understand any benefit that doesn't put money in your pocket. there are possible benefits of leaving for the youth of today and their next generation
1 :- Not having to suffer the youth unemployment of Greece ,Italy , Spain . Although we have over half a million under 25's unemployed now the above countries have hit much higher figures and show no sign of them coming down.
2 :- Not having to be conscripted into an army to compensate.
3 :- Not being tied to a dogmatic mantra on agriculture and fish therefor growing more and landing the fish that we are forced to throw away.
4 :- Having the ability to subsidise industries to redevelop where they have fallen aside and the subsidiaries that come with them.
5 :- Opportunities in the shipping industries as containers will dock here rather than Rotterdam.
6 :- Cheaper food as we remove ourselves from the protectionist policies of the E.U.
7 :- Also cheaper clothing for the same reasons.

Effectively the whole process has been hijacked by those that fear their financial wellbeing might be affected- The important stuff to discuss was relating to Open Skies , Visas , E.U citizen's rights and those of U.K citizens abroad. Trade would always look after itself as we both need each other. problems have been put in the way of the whole process to slow it down , firstly because our negotiators don't really want to leave and secondly because the E.u want to see the money keep rolling in and as Herd suggests because the Rothschild's /Bilderberg group don't want to see their grip on the world's economies affected in any way..

wow can't believe this post

first point - what makes you think our youth employment will improve when we leave the EU ???
It is highly likely that thousands of jobs are gojng to be lost. Our youth will have no future - which is why the vast majority of them want to REMAIN
secondly - not sure whether you are taking the piss or suffering from sun stroke. Where are you getting the idea that if we stay in the EU they are going to bring back conscription ??

your last points are already proving impossible - you might be aware that the pound has already fallen, and so everything like food ALREADY costs more. This will only get worse when we leave, and added to the fact that since the government have failed to put in place anything to speed up checks at ports, it is highly likely that there will be food, medicines shortages in supermarkets after a few days.

[Gunner Rob]

prepare for Civil War!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 59316.html

I'm quite looking forward to taking on Herd and his cronies

[Allgunsblazin]

Deal or No Deal.....?

[DB10GOONER]

I just want to see a video of Attenborough slapping the shit out of a couple of grannies in a supermarket.

And then Rooney running in and remonstrating with him....

"Hey I coulda fucked both of them!"

[Gunner Rob]

the last couple of comments sum up the ignorance in the country over Brexit.

I don't think people realise how serious this is all getting.
as things currently stand the UK faces a very real chance of crashing out of the EU without a deal.
if that happens there will be no transition period - we will just be OUT and with no trade deals in place with any other country in the world. the country would be in a state of emergency within days, due to food and medicine shortages and the likelihood of martial law imposed within weeks.

if you think this is unlikely or scaremongering then fair enough, but remember that the only other option to a no deal if one with the EU cannot be agreed, is to just remain inside the EU.

[A11M11]

That of course is one side of the argument , he other is :- https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/99313 ... iation-BBC.

Guesss we will see who is right in the long run.