OZIL - Merged Thread

[Blade]

You should Google 'Artists' and Artisans i think you got 'em mixed up...

[DB10GOONER]

You should Google 'Artists' and Artisans i think you got 'em mixed up...

[SydneyGooner]

Just wondering DB10 would you rate Özil over Kevin De Bruyne? Read on some other forums that some of our fans actually believe that. zil!

[DB10GOONER]

Just wondering DB10 would you rate Özil over Kevin De Bruyne? Read on some other forums that some of our fans actually believe that. :shock:zil!

No. Although Ozil is a superior technical player, and has created more chances and hit the 50 assists in less games than DeBruyne, that is really all Ozil brings when he's on form. DeBruyne is a far more complete and versatile package. He provides chances and assists too obviously but he also scores more and is more capable of dominating the midfield and gives a far better defensive contribution.

My point about Ozil is he creates. We do not have another player that does that anywhere near his level or his numbers. But it only works for Ozil in a very limited system. We either build that system around that ability to create or get rid. But to put that system in place we need at least one top class DM maybe two and at least one absolute top class striker to turn all those chances Ozil creates into assists.

Some idiots of limited intelligence cannot see that top players perform far better with other top players in the team. They think one player should dominate whole games no matter how bad the rest of the team is which is fucking retarded tbh. No top midfielder has ever dominated game after game whilst surrounded by shit or average players. People point at DeBruyne for example whilst happily ignoring the fact he has a top DM and striker around him. Same people point at Fabregas but ignore the fact he only won 1 FA Cup in nearly 10 years with us and we never saw his full potential because he had to try play with shit like Song and Denilson and fucking Bendtner.

Similarly the horseshit of making statements like "Ozil doesn't deliver in the big away games against the top 6 teams" whilst ignoring the fact that none of our players do (and the fact that Ozil is often still our best player in those games when compared to the shit around him) just shows a childish agenda and/or lack of knowledge.

Of course the fucking Internet has given a voice to people who are often too stupid to understand football and whereas they would not talk such shite in their local pub they can come on a forum and spew absolute stupidity at will.....

[1989]

A better comparison would be Ozil vs David Silva, and Silva is miles ahead for my money. Not only is he technically superb with amazing vision and passing skills, he's also a tough little player who works his socks off. Eriksen is another.

[DB10GOONER]

A better comparison would be Ozil vs David Silva, and Silva is miles ahead for my money. Not only is he technically superb with amazing vision and passing skills, he's also a tough little player who works his socks off. Eriksen is another.

Again let's ignore the fact both have better strikers to feed and better DM's to do the dirty work around them. You put either of them in our team and they would struggle and get frustrated very quickly.

Also Silva has been fairly inconsistent over the years....

....and Eriksen is wildly inconsistent. Great in some games and then totally anonymous in others - something he freely admits himself.

Both have created less than Ozil whilst playing in better teams, certainly in Silva's case.

Both are good players - especially Silva when he's on form - but neither will be remembered as true PL greats like Bergkamp or Henry etc.

[Blade]

F**king bullshite theory.Look at the facts:

He was dumped by the best club side in the world.[13 ECL cups].And a whole country.

I recall They have/had very good players [Kroos,Isco,Asensio,CR 7,Casemiro,Modric,Bale] around him.RM were rejoicing when AW paid 42m.Or they all played badly too!

Germany dropped him for the Sweden match -wonder why?.Their midfield was Draxler,Reus,kroos all elite players. According to your shite theory he should do well!.

Or you gonna say they all played badly.

How many elite players you need to support him?.He is that poor?.

Ask yourself this Q -if you dare..if he is that good why would club and country dump him.

Here read this as a bonus: https://talksport.com/football/401048/a ... -cup-2018/

[augie]

F**king bullshite theory.Look at the facts:

He was dumped by the best club side in the world.[13 ECL cups].And a whole country.

I recall They have/had very good players [Kroos,Isco,Asensio,CR 7,Casemiro,Modric,Bale] around him.RM were rejoicing when AW paid 42m.Or they all played badly too!

Germany dropped him for the Sweden match -wonder why?.Their midfield was Draxler,Reus,kroos all elite players. According to your shite theory he should do well!.

Or you gonna say they all played badly.

How many elite players you need to support him?.He is that poor?.

Ask yourself this Q -if you dare..if he is that good why would club and country dump him

[/color]Here read this as a bonus: https://talksport.com/football/401048/a ... -cup-2018/

That part is absolute bullshit - madrid fans and players were up in arms when they sold him, but they wanted a new galactico (bale) and he was sold to generate funds. He wasnt dumped by germany......he walked away having won their player of the year 5 years out of the previous 6

If you gonna come up with stuff to back up your beliefs, at least bring up something approximating truth ffs

[AkneyGooner]

F**king bullshite theory.Look at the facts:

He was dumped by the best club side in the world.[13 ECL cups].And a whole country.

I recall They have/had very good players [Kroos,Isco,Asensio,CR 7,Casemiro,Modric,Bale] around him.RM were rejoicing when AW paid 42m.Or they all played badly too!

Germany dropped him for the Sweden match -wonder why?.Their midfield was Draxler,Reus,kroos all elite players. According to your shite theory he should do well!.

Or you gonna say they all played badly.

How many elite players you need to support him?.He is that poor?.

Ask yourself this Q -if you dare..if he is that good why would club and country dump him.

Here read this as a bonus: https://talksport.com/football/401048/a ... -cup-2018/

but that is the point at Madrid he was racking up the assists, they got rid of him to pay for bale as they have isco,Asensio and modric to create. Bale added pace and engine. its not like they went out and swapped a failing playmaker for a new improved playmaker they, swapped a playmaker for a pacey striker/winger.


As for club and country, you know that country is political, and that he was no way to blame for the whole side being shit.

Probably for club he is ill or the manager wants to take him out of the firing line with all the bullshit going on.

He is not perfect but he is not the cause of arsenal being outside the top four/chasing titles or Germany crashing out of the world cup, you have to blame 11+ players and the managers there, if the Germany coach thought he was shit/lazy he would not have picked him... simple as that. this german team lacked pace and could not defend for shit. they scape goated him. I think the CBs had some of the worst performances in the tournament.


you have to accept that someone like him will lose the ball, where you allow him to lose the ball / play risky passes etc is a coaching choice, but he is a luxury player, and that is not a problem if he is given a specific role to do, and the team know, he is probably going to try to play a difficult chance, and counter can come from this.. be ready for it.

its not like every pass Bergkamp or Pires made came off, but we had the players to deal with it when we lost the ball, and just as importantly we had players that would punish the oppo when it did come off such as Wright, Henry, Anelka etc.

Do you think if ozil was playing in Henry we would be talking about him like this?

[herbert]

F**king bullshite theory.Look at the facts:

He was dumped by the best club side in the world.[13 ECL cups].And a whole country.

I recall They have/had very good players [Kroos,Isco,Asensio,CR 7,Casemiro,Modric,Bale] around him.RM were rejoicing when AW paid 42m.Or they all played badly too!

Germany dropped him for the Sweden match -wonder why?.Their midfield was Draxler,Reus,kroos all elite players. According to your shite theory he should do well!.

Or you gonna say they all played badly.

How many elite players you need to support him?.He is that poor?.

Ask yourself this Q -if you dare..if he is that good why would club and country dump him.

Here read this as a bonus: https://talksport.com/football/401048/a ... -cup-2018/

but that is the point at Madrid he was racking up the assists, they got rid of him to pay for bale as they have isco,Asensio and modric to create. Bale added pace and engine. its not like they went out and swapped a failing playmaker for a new improved playmaker they, swapped a playmaker for a pacey striker/winger.


As for club and country, you know that country is political, and that he was no way to blame for the whole side being shit.

Probably for club he is ill or the manager wants to take him out of the firing line with all the bullshit going on.

He is not perfect but he is not the cause of arsenal being outside the top four/chasing titles or Germany crashing out of the world cup, you have to blame 11+ players and the managers there, if the Germany coach thought he was shit/lazy he would not have picked him... simple as that. this german team lacked pace and could not defend for shit. they scape goated him. I think the CBs had some of the worst performances in the tournament.


you have to accept that someone like him will lose the ball, where you allow him to lose the ball / play risky passes etc is a coaching choice, but he is a luxury player, and that is not a problem if he is given a specific role to do, and the team know, he is probably going to try to play a difficult chance, and counter can come from this.. be ready for it.

its not like every pass Bergkamp or Pires made came off, but we had the players to deal with it when we lost the ball, and just as importantly we had players that would punish the oppo when it did come off such as Wright, Henry, Anelka etc.

Do you think if ozil was playing in Henry we would be talking about him like this?

Good post mate

[Blade]

"replaced him with Bale"

Bale can't even get in the side.

If the 2 Germany CBs were crap what has that got to do with his own game which has been in decline for years [not my observation but his fellow pros].

Some fool says he needs many,many good players around him to excel.So Khaderia,Kroos,Asensio,CR7,Casemiro,MODRIC,Mueller,Reus,Isco et al are not good enough? Wow, so high maintenance!.

Who does he need then? Pele,Maradona,Zidane ?.

[DB10GOONER]

"replaced him with Bale"

Bale can't even get in the side.

If the 2 Germany CBs were crap what has that got to do with his own game which has been in decline for years [not my observation but his fellow pros].

Some fool says he needs many,many good players around him to excel.So Khaderia,Kroos,Asensio,CR7,Casemiro,MODRIC,Mueller,Reus,Isco et al are not good enough? Wow, so high maintenance!.

Who does he need then? Pele,Maradona,Zidane ?.

I am sorry but you are making a total tool of yourself here. You are either this stupid or you are a troll - there is no other option. you should probably go back to that "much better forum" you did your big "I'm leaving" bit for, huh? Because seriously you are embarrassing yourself and the rest of us with this drivel you are posting.

A couple of facts here for your limited intellect to wrestle with: at Madrid he set the European assist record across ALL leagues. Ronaldo and his team mates and fans screamed blue murder when Madrid sold him. He set the PL 50 assists record. He was German player of the year FIVE years in a row. He was their best player at the recent world cup creating more than any other German player.

Like augie says if you are going to criticise a player at least post informed comments rather than your moronic childlike agenda bullshit.

[DB10GOONER]

F**king bullshite theory.Look at the facts:

He was dumped by the best club side in the world.[13 ECL cups].And a whole country.

I recall They have/had very good players [Kroos,Isco,Asensio,CR 7,Casemiro,Modric,Bale] around him.RM were rejoicing when AW paid 42m.Or they all played badly too!

Germany dropped him for the Sweden match -wonder why?.Their midfield was Draxler,Reus,kroos all elite players. According to your shite theory he should do well!.

Or you gonna say they all played badly.

How many elite players you need to support him?.He is that poor?.

Ask yourself this Q -if you dare..if he is that good why would club and country dump him.

Here read this as a bonus: https://talksport.com/football/401048/a ... -cup-2018/

but that is the point at Madrid he was racking up the assists, they got rid of him to pay for bale as they have isco,Asensio and modric to create. Bale added pace and engine. its not like they went out and swapped a failing playmaker for a new improved playmaker they, swapped a playmaker for a pacey striker/winger.


As for club and country, you know that country is political, and that he was no way to blame for the whole side being shit.

Probably for club he is ill or the manager wants to take him out of the firing line with all the bullshit going on.

He is not perfect but he is not the cause of arsenal being outside the top four/chasing titles or Germany crashing out of the world cup, you have to blame 11+ players and the managers there, if the Germany coach thought he was shit/lazy he would not have picked him... simple as that. this german team lacked pace and could not defend for shit. they scape goated him. I think the CBs had some of the worst performances in the tournament.


you have to accept that someone like him will lose the ball, where you allow him to lose the ball / play risky passes etc is a coaching choice, but he is a luxury player, and that is not a problem if he is given a specific role to do, and the team know, he is probably going to try to play a difficult chance, and counter can come from this.. be ready for it.

its not like every pass Bergkamp or Pires made came off, but we had the players to deal with it when we lost the ball, and just as importantly we had players that would punish the oppo when it did come off such as Wright, Henry, Anelka etc.

Do you think if ozil was playing in Henry we would be talking about him like this?

Great post mate. Bang on the money.

[Blade]

Looks like there are plans..

https://www.kickoff.co.uk/87729/arsenal ... n-january/

But why?

Why not replace the duds around him? and sign some 'top class' players.Oh wait...

[augie]

"replaced him with Bale"

Bale can't even get in the side.

If the 2 Germany CBs were crap what has that got to do with his own game which has been in decline for years [not my observation but his fellow pros].

Some fool says he needs many,many good players around him to excel.So Khaderia,Kroos,Asensio,CR7,Casemiro,MODRIC,Mueller,Reus,Isco et al are not good enough? Wow, so high maintenance!.

Who does he need then? Pele,Maradona,Zidane ?.

I am sorry but you are making a total tool of yourself here. You are either this stupid or you are a troll - there is no other option. you should probably go back to that "much better forum" you did your big "I'm leaving" bit for, huh? Because seriously you are embarrassing yourself and the rest of us with this drivel you are posting.

A couple of facts here for your limited intellect to wrestle with: at Madrid he set the European assist record across ALL leagues. Ronaldo and his team mates and fans screamed blue murder when Madrid sold him. He set the PL 50 assists record. He was German player of the year FIVE years in a row. He was their best player at the recent world cup creating more than any other German player.

Like augie says if you are going to criticise a player at least post informed comments rather than your moronic childlike agenda bullshit.

That ship sailed long ago