The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Nos89]

So your premise is that they only came here because of the strength of the pound. It will recover once the speculators have finished their profiteering . As for feeling welcome the bit about their future and that of the British abroad has been agreed according to Barnier and Raab . Those that wish to stay will still have a future here , you must stop reading and believing everything that Umunna and Starmer say.

Outside the EU we are a small irrelevant little island, so there is no guarantee the pound will ever recover.

And nothing regarding Brexit has been agreed.
You Brexiteers have still not thought of a plan - despite having over 40 years to think of one.

Brexiteers have got a plan, unfortunately, the people who should be dealing with the brexit plan are not even at the planning table. Brexit is a mess because it's got people dealing with it who don't want it. They are not even capable of organising the proverbial "piss up in the brewery", because they closed them down or sold them to europhiles...
The NHS, the economy, the cost of living and the lack of policing were all issues BEFORE the referendum, that's why a lot voted to leave because there is a recognition that something needs to change. Nothing has changed!

[Nos89]

Nos89

1. I find the word remoaners equally insulting
2. It is highly likely that should there be a no deal or a bad deal on Brexit that there will be major civil unrest. Already half a million people are mobilising for a March in central London on 20 October. That might be peaceful but future marches are unlikely to be.
3. So you think a 2nd referendum should only be on the Chequers deal or no deal? Well already you are admitting that no one really knew what Brexit would look like, and so obviously a no Brexit option should be included as well.
I can’t see what you are worried about. After all you have spent the last 2 years saying that Brexit is the will of the people.

Point 3 I concur a no deal Brexit should be the other option. I'm not worried at all.
To add I'm also getting fed up about all the claptrap about our children's future being jeopardised what about the people in the 40's & 50's who are not included in the argument. I hope to be around far along time after 29th march 2019. At least until Arsenal win the Champions League.
Point 2 I hope those marching clear up their mess before they leave
Point 1 you're offended by being called a remoaner... really? I don't think that is a protected person under the equality act 2010.

Any Brexit deal will make us all poorer.
Obviously the younger generation will be hit hardest as they will find it very hard to get a start in life.

That’s all ok though as you Brexiteers are quite happy to be poor. It is not about the money you keep saying. Anyway you will at least be able to wave your blue passports about.

The younger generations have always found it hard to get a start in life. They haven't been able to get on the property ladder for at least the last10 years, and that's whilst we've been in the EU. That's a blinkered argument.
Please tell me which country that joined the EU in 2004 has benefited economically since becoming a member state?
There is absolutely no proof or evidence that we will be poorer for staying in the EU, or leaving it.

[A11M11]

David Davis has a plan called Canada plus one which was on it's way to being acceptable to the E.U however , he was removed by our Prime minister because it was too close to the wishes of those that had the majority in the referendum and installed people more to her liking . As she has no desire to leave they have scuppered the whole thing at every turn. Today Barnier has stated that an agreement can be made on her chequers plan probably by November. This however is unlikely to fly in Westminster because politicians have yet again proved that they cannot be trusted because despite her protestations it doesn't really give us an answer to either your lot or mine.

[Gunner Rob]

So your premise is that they only came here because of the strength of the pound. It will recover once the speculators have finished their profiteering . As for feeling welcome the bit about their future and that of the British abroad has been agreed according to Barnier and Raab . Those that wish to stay will still have a future here , you must stop reading and believing everything that Umunna and Starmer say.

Outside the EU we are a small irrelevant little island, so there is no guarantee the pound will ever recover.

And nothing regarding Brexit has been agreed.
You Brexiteers have still not thought of a plan - despite having over 40 years to think of one.

Brexiteers have got a plan, unfortunately, the people who should be dealing with the brexit plan are not even at the planning table. Brexit is a mess because it's got people dealing with it who don't want it. They are not even capable of organising the proverbial "piss up in the brewery", because they closed them down or sold them to europhiles...
The NHS, the economy, the cost of living and the lack of policing were all issues BEFORE the referendum, that's why a lot voted to leave because there is a recognition that something needs to change. Nothing has changed!

Agree with that, however those issues were down to the Tory Government austerity policies, nothing to do with the EU.

Like so many others you have sadly been brainwashed into believing that the EU is the enemy.

Don’t you realise by now though that things are going to get worse if we leave the EU ?

[Gunner Rob]

Nos89

1. I find the word remoaners equally insulting
2. It is highly likely that should there be a no deal or a bad deal on Brexit that there will be major civil unrest. Already half a million people are mobilising for a March in central London on 20 October. That might be peaceful but future marches are unlikely to be.
3. So you think a 2nd referendum should only be on the Chequers deal or no deal? Well already you are admitting that no one really knew what Brexit would look like, and so obviously a no Brexit option should be included as well.
I can’t see what you are worried about. After all you have spent the last 2 years saying that Brexit is the will of the people.

Point 3 I concur a no deal Brexit should be the other option. I'm not worried at all.
To add I'm also getting fed up about all the claptrap about our children's future being jeopardised what about the people in the 40's & 50's who are not included in the argument. I hope to be around far along time after 29th march 2019. At least until Arsenal win the Champions League.
Point 2 I hope those marching clear up their mess before they leave
Point 1 you're offended by being called a remoaner... really? I don't think that is a protected person under the equality act 2010.

Any Brexit deal will make us all poorer.
Obviously the younger generation will be hit hardest as they will find it very hard to get a start in life.

That’s all ok though as you Brexiteers are quite happy to be poor. It is not about the money you keep saying. Anyway you will at least be able to wave your blue passports about.

The younger generations have always found it hard to get a start in life. They haven't been able to get on the property ladder for at least the last10 years, and that's whilst we've been in the EU. That's a blinkered argument.
Please tell me which country that joined the EU in 2004 has benefited economically since becoming a member state?
There is absolutely no proof or evidence that we will be poorer for staying in the EU, or leaving it.

All the predictions economically are that the UK will be poorer after leaving the EU. We already are anyway as the pound has slumped since 2016, making the cost of living more expensive.

Remember back in 2016 and all the Brexiteers predictions that the EU would collapse! Haha it’s stronger than ever and so is the Euro compared to the pound. that is the reality.

[Nos89]

Well, there's also economic forecasts that predict the UK will be better off, cost of goods will decrease because we are not restricted to EU regulations on food imports and exports.
It's interesting that it's ignored that if the UK is such an insignificant player in the world economy as has been stated why is the EU desperate to keep us in their control? That they want a multi billion payoff for loss of contribution and are playing hard ball at the negotiating table, making it as difficult as it can for the UK to leave?
I'm pretty sure if Romania wanted to leave the deal would be done and dusted?

[Gunner Rob]

Well, there's also economic forecasts that predict the UK will be better off, cost of goods will decrease because we are not restricted to EU regulations on food imports and exports.
It's interesting that it's ignored that if the UK is such an insignificant player in the world economy as has been stated why is the EU desperate to keep us in their control? That they want a multi billion payoff for loss of contribution and are playing hard ball at the negotiating table, making it as difficult as it can for the UK to leave?
I'm pretty sure if Romania wanted to leave the deal would be done and dusted?

Wow are you in for a shock.
The fact is things already cost more as the pound is so much weaker against the euro. You are in a fantasy world. The only people who will benefit from Brexit are the super rich like Jacob Rees Mogg.

The EU is actually not desperate to keep the UK in but there is a degree of sympathy as they realise how badly off we will be outside the EU. Obviously they can demand a big payoff because as a big trading bloc of 27 nations they can now call the shots. Brexit means the UK losing its influence. Get used to it.

[flash gunner]

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[Nos89]

Nos89

1. I find the word remoaners equally insulting
2. It is highly likely that should there be a no deal or a bad deal on Brexit that there will be major civil unrest. Already half a million people are mobilising for a March in central London on 20 October. That might be peaceful but future marches are unlikely to be.
3. So you think a 2nd referendum should only be on the Chequers deal or no deal? Well already you are admitting that no one really knew what Brexit would look like, and so obviously a no Brexit option should be included as well.
I can’t see what you are worried about. After all you have spent the last 2 years saying that Brexit is the will of the people.

Point 3 I concur a no deal Brexit should be the other option. I'm not worried at all.
To add I'm also getting fed up about all the claptrap about our children's future being jeopardised what about the people in the 40's & 50's who are not included in the argument. I hope to be around far along time after 29th march 2019. At least until Arsenal win the Champions League.
Point 2 I hope those marching clear up their mess before they leave
Point 1 you're offended by being called a remoaner... really? I don't think that is a protected person under the equality act 2010.

Any Brexit deal will make us all poorer.
Obviously the younger generation will be hit hardest as they will find it very hard to get a start in life.

That’s all ok though as you Brexiteers are quite happy to be poor. It is not about the money you keep saying. Anyway you will at least be able to wave your blue passports about.

The younger generations have always found it hard to get a start in life. They haven't been able to get on the property ladder for at least the last10 years, and that's whilst we've been in the EU. That's a blinkered argument.
Please tell me which country that joined the EU in 2004 has benefited economically since becoming a member state?
There is absolutely no proof or evidence that we will be poorer for staying in the EU, or leaving it.

All the predictions economically are that the UK will be poorer after leaving the EU. We already are anyway as the pound has slumped since 2016, making the cost of living more expensive.

Remember back in 2016 and all the Brexiteers predictions that the EU would collapse! Haha it’s stronger than ever and so is the Euro compared to the pound. that is the reality.

I think the EU will collapse after we leave because once we go others will follow. The only way the Euro and EU will survive is if they bring in Turkey as a member state. However, with the ongoing Cyprus situation, and their awful human rights record they would not pass into the EU.
No I won't be shocked with the cost of living after we leave.
The original BofE job loss estimates from the city were around the 75000 mark. So, to say 5,000 will be relocated to Europe isn't too bad. Consider that around 25,000 jobs have been lost in the retail sector so far this year with more to come, we can absorb the 5,000 loss.
With house prices in London projected to drop by 35% I might be able to afford to move back South. It's not only the young generation that struggle to get on the housing market. It ain't easy for divorced father's either.

[Gunner Rob]

Point 3 I concur a no deal Brexit should be the other option. I'm not worried at all.
To add I'm also getting fed up about all the claptrap about our children's future being jeopardised what about the people in the 40's & 50's who are not included in the argument. I hope to be around far along time after 29th march 2019. At least until Arsenal win the Champions League.
Point 2 I hope those marching clear up their mess before they leave
Point 1 you're offended by being called a remoaner... really? I don't think that is a protected person under the equality act 2010.

Any Brexit deal will make us all poorer.
Obviously the younger generation will be hit hardest as they will find it very hard to get a start in life.

That’s all ok though as you Brexiteers are quite happy to be poor. It is not about the money you keep saying. Anyway you will at least be able to wave your blue passports about.

The younger generations have always found it hard to get a start in life. They haven't been able to get on the property ladder for at least the last10 years, and that's whilst we've been in the EU. That's a blinkered argument.
Please tell me which country that joined the EU in 2004 has benefited economically since becoming a member state?
There is absolutely no proof or evidence that we will be poorer for staying in the EU, or leaving it.

All the predictions economically are that the UK will be poorer after leaving the EU. We already are anyway as the pound has slumped since 2016, making the cost of living more expensive.

Remember back in 2016 and all the Brexiteers predictions that the EU would collapse! Haha it’s stronger than ever and so is the Euro compared to the pound. that is the reality.

I think the EU will collapse after we leave because once we go others will follow. The only way the Euro and EU will survive is if they bring in Turkey as a member state. However, with the ongoing Cyprus situation, and their awful human rights record they would not pass into the EU.
No I won't be shocked with the cost of living after we leave.
The original BofE job loss estimates from the city were around the 75000 mark. So, to say 5,000 will be relocated to Europe isn't too bad. Consider that around 25,000 jobs have been lost in the retail sector so far this year with more to come, we can absorb the 5,000 loss.
With house prices in London projected to drop by 35% I might be able to afford to move back South. It's not only the young generation that struggle to get on the housing market. It ain't easy for divorced father's either.

are you really this thick ?

there is no evidence whatsoever that the EU is going to collapse.
if anything they are getting stronger, as they realise how stupid the British are for wanting to leave.
the euro is strong aginst the pound and they will do just fine after we leave.
no way Turkey is going to join either.

as for house prices dropping well that will only happen if there are huge job losses or wages become worth far less.
so don't get any fantasies about moving back south because it isnt happening.

Brexit will condemn the younger generation and people like yourself to years and years of a worse standard of living.

[Nos89]

I think the EU will collapse after we leave because once we go others will follow. The only way the Euro and EU will survive is if they bring in Turkey as a member state. However, with the ongoing Cyprus situation, and their awful human rights record they would not pass into the EU.
No I won't be shocked with the cost of living after we leave.
The original BofE job loss estimates from the city were around the 75000 mark. So, to say 5,000 will be relocated to Europe isn't too bad. Consider that around 25,000 jobs have been lost in the retail sector so far this year with more to come, we can absorb the 5,000 loss.
With house prices in London projected to drop by 35% I might be able to afford to move back South. It's not only the young generation that struggle to get on the housing market. It ain't easy for divorced father's either.
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are you really this thick ?

there is no evidence whatsoever that the EU is going to collapse.
if anything they are getting stronger, as they realise how stupid the British are for wanting to leave.
the euro is strong aginst the pound and they will do just fine after we leave.
no way Turkey is going to join either.

as for house prices dropping well that will only happen if there are huge job losses or wages become worth far less.
so don't get any fantasies about moving back south because it isnt happening.

Brexit will condemn the younger generation and people like yourself to years and years of a worse standard of living.
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Let's put this into context, the pound has only been weaker than the euro since 2016, however it has since rallied but not reached the same level as 2015. The only thing to have changed is that UK has decided to leave, yet, we haven't left yet. The market conditions are still the same as they were in 2015. The dollar has sunk after a major collapse in 2016, that would have a knock on affect to the pound's value. The Euro maybe the largest economic area but it certainly no where near the strongest, and it certainly not a potential area of growth.
The British public made a decision that it doesn't want to be part of an autocratic menc club. The point you're missing is that democracy means more to the majority of peopel in Britain than the value of the pound. There are already 4million children living in poverty. That figure has been consistent since 2015 before the referendum result. The number of police on the streets was being reduced before the referendum. The amount of money going from central government to local governments was being reduced before the referendum. This was all before Brexit, which made leaving the EU more attractive because we did not see any positives of still being involved in an economic club that was draining our resources, not contributing to them.
There is no evidence that the UK will collapse after leaving the EU. If anything the UK will get stronger by leaving.
Germany's economy, the strongest in the Euro, will falter if it begins to increase the value of exporting cars to the UK. I understand the UK imports more german vehicles than any other country. Given the multi billion cost of VW falsifying its car exhaust figures to pass EU regulations, the knock on effect to the German economy could be catastrophic. The EU and the Euro is an undemocratic, negative growth economy.

[Gunner Rob]

I think the EU will collapse after we leave because once we go others will follow. The only way the Euro and EU will survive is if they bring in Turkey as a member state. However, with the ongoing Cyprus situation, and their awful human rights record they would not pass into the EU.
No I won't be shocked with the cost of living after we leave.
The original BofE job loss estimates from the city were around the 75000 mark. So, to say 5,000 will be relocated to Europe isn't too bad. Consider that around 25,000 jobs have been lost in the retail sector so far this year with more to come, we can absorb the 5,000 loss.
With house prices in London projected to drop by 35% I might be able to afford to move back South. It's not only the young generation that struggle to get on the housing market. It ain't easy for divorced father's either.

are you really this thick ?

there is no evidence whatsoever that the EU is going to collapse.
if anything they are getting stronger, as they realise how stupid the British are for wanting to leave.
the euro is strong aginst the pound and they will do just fine after we leave.
no way Turkey is going to join either.

as for house prices dropping well that will only happen if there are huge job losses or wages become worth far less.
so don't get any fantasies about moving back south because it isnt happening.

Brexit will condemn the younger generation and people like yourself to years and years of a worse standard of living.
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Let's put this into context, the pound has only been weaker than the euro since 2016, however it has since rallied but not reached the same level as 2015. The only thing to have changed is that UK has decided to leave, yet, we haven't left yet. The market conditions are still the same as they were in 2015. The dollar has sunk after a major collapse in 2016, that would have a knock on affect to the pound's value. The Euro maybe the largest economic area but it certainly no where near the strongest, and it certainly not a potential area of growth.
The British public made a decision that it doesn't want to be part of an autocratic menc club. The point you're missing is that democracy means more to the majority of peopel in Britain than the value of the pound. There are already 4million children living in poverty. That figure has been consistent since 2015 before the referendum result. The number of police on the streets was being reduced before the referendum. The amount of money going from central government to local governments was being reduced before the referendum. This was all before Brexit, which made leaving the EU more attractive because we did not see any positives of still being involved in an economic club that was draining our resources, not contributing to them.
There is no evidence that the UK will collapse after leaving the EU. If anything the UK will get stronger by leaving.
Germany's economy, the strongest in the Euro, will falter if it begins to increase the value of exporting cars to the UK. I understand the UK imports more german vehicles than any other country. Given the multi billion cost of VW falsifying its car exhaust figures to pass EU regulations, the knock on effect to the German economy could be catastrophic. The EU and the Euro is an undemocratic, negative growth economy.
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I agree with this part of your argument - however what has that got to do with the EU ??
Brexit won't improve this situation, it will just make things worse as there will be even less money for public services.
The NHS is already starting to not be able to afford new drugs. Get cancer in the future - tough shit, you are likely to die like you did in the past.

By the way the pound has not rallied - the euro is currently about 1.12 to the pound. It was 1.35 before the referendum.

As for democracy - the great part about democracy is that it allows the public to change their minds.
Now that we know more facts about Brexit and how it was all based on lies, then the public needs a chance to vote again on whether they want to remain or accept a deal offered. No one knew what they were voting for before. A people's vote is required. The mayor of London has made some sensible comments on this today.

[A11M11]

The bank rate 23rd june 2016 was 1.28 to the pound , tourist rate was 1.23 .
Just saying.

[AkneyGooner]

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[AkneyGooner]

I think the EU will collapse after we leave because once we go others will follow. The only way the Euro and EU will survive is if they bring in Turkey as a member state. However, with the ongoing Cyprus situation, and their awful human rights record they would not pass into the EU.
No I won't be shocked with the cost of living after we leave.
The original BofE job loss estimates from the city were around the 75000 mark. So, to say 5,000 will be relocated to Europe isn't too bad. Consider that around 25,000 jobs have been lost in the retail sector so far this year with more to come, we can absorb the 5,000 loss.
With house prices in London projected to drop by 35% I might be able to afford to move back South. It's not only the young generation that struggle to get on the housing market. It ain't easy for divorced father's either.

are you really this thick ?

there is no evidence whatsoever that the EU is going to collapse.
if anything they are getting stronger, as they realise how stupid the British are for wanting to leave.
the euro is strong aginst the pound and they will do just fine after we leave.
no way Turkey is going to join either.

as for house prices dropping well that will only happen if there are huge job losses or wages become worth far less.
so don't get any fantasies about moving back south because it isnt happening.

Brexit will condemn the younger generation and people like yourself to years and years of a worse standard of living.

Let's put this into context, the pound has only been weaker than the euro since 2016, however it has since rallied but not reached the same level as 2015. The only thing to have changed is that UK has decided to leave, yet, we haven't left yet. The market conditions are still the same as they were in 2015. The dollar has sunk after a major collapse in 2016, that would have a knock on affect to the pound's value. The Euro maybe the largest economic area but it certainly no where near the strongest, and it certainly not a potential area of growth.
The British public made a decision that it doesn't want to be part of an autocratic menc club. The point you're missing is that democracy means more to the majority of peopel in Britain than the value of the pound. There are already 4million children living in poverty. That figure has been consistent since 2015 before the referendum result. The number of police on the streets was being reduced before the referendum. The amount of money going from central government to local governments was being reduced before the referendum. This was all before Brexit, which made leaving the EU more attractive because we did not see any positives of still being involved in an economic club that was draining our resources, not contributing to them.
There is no evidence that the UK will collapse after leaving the EU. If anything the UK will get stronger by leaving.
Germany's economy, the strongest in the Euro, will falter if it begins to increase the value of exporting cars to the UK. I understand the UK imports more german vehicles than any other country. Given the multi billion cost of VW falsifying its car exhaust figures to pass EU regulations, the knock on effect to the German economy could be catastrophic. The EU and the Euro is an undemocratic, negative growth economy.

I agree with this part of your argument - however what has that got to do with the EU ??
Brexit won't improve this situation, it will just make things worse as there will be even less money for public services.
The NHS is already starting to not be able to afford new drugs. Get cancer in the future - tough shit, you are likely to die like you did in the past.

By the way the pound has not rallied - the euro is currently about 1.12 to the pound. It was 1.35 before the referendum.

As for democracy - the great part about democracy is that it allows the public to change their minds.
Now that we know more facts about Brexit and how it was all based on lies, then the public needs a chance to vote again on whether they want to remain or accept a deal offered. No one knew what they were voting for before. A people's vote is required. The mayor of London has made some sensible comments on this today.

Turkey's for the want a better term dictator is best buddies with Putin, the same putin who funded the brexit campaigns through shell investment companies, and ran the social media bots and trolls.

I used to be on the fence as to leaving the EU or Staying in, but I think if Putin wants the UK out of it, and one of the main funders of the leave side it probably is bad of us and the EU in the long run.

His mantra has been to take crimea, Isolate the UK from the EU, attack/destabilze the smaller EU states (politically and military when he can get away with it).

infiltrate and effect US foriegn policy, then isolate UK from the US as much as possible and remove any sanctions upon Russia, form a union with Asian states, and expand the russian federation, try to reduce NATO and UN infulence. and with China buying up most of Africa.

I would say he is doing very well so far unfortunatley, his divide an conquer is a new spin on an old tactic. polarise people on a devisive topic, then whip one side up even more than the other to get them motivated to vote in more numbers, you don't have to convert many people you just have to motivate one side with fear/anger to get to the polling station, and he has spent Billions on this.