The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Gunner Rob]

Yes and Putin's propaganda has been very effective.
It is easy to see how many people were duped into voting for Brexit two years ago.

However where I am now annoyed on this issue is that there has been a mountain of evidence now showing the great harm that Brexit will do, yet there are still some people who fail to take any notice of it, and are blindly going along with it, not appreciating the consequences that are likely to result.

[A11M11]

The problem with your mountain of evidence is that it appears to be supplied by people with vested interests in keeping the status quo?
And right next door is another mountain which states the complete opposite.
We pays our money and takes our chances because nobody knows what the final outcome will be.

[StuartL]

However where I am now annoyed on this issue is that there has been a mountain of evidence now showing the great harm that Smoking / drinking / gambling / vaping / drug taking / eating fatty foods/ putting sugar in your tea / setting fire to yourself / jumping off motorway bridges / swimming with sharks will do, yet there are still some people who fail to take any notice of it, and are blindly going along with it, not appreciating the consequences that are likely to result.

[Nos89]

Turkey have recently been given 5billion euros from the EU to drill for oil in the Mediterranean. Why would you think that they are not trying to get into the EU?

The pound rallied from the immediate drop after the result was announced up to its current rate.

The IMF coming out and saying the british economy will fall back into a recession is a viable possibility. That was part of the scaremongering of the remain campaign. The IMF saying that the British people have worked hard to get the economy back on track is a lie. Productivity has not moved forward for 6 years (I think). The BofE has had this concern since Mark Carney took over, and still productivity is flatlining. The British economy has not grown at the rate it wanted to, and has failed to meet its annual projected targets. This is despite living under austerity, and still part of the EU. In my working life we have been through three recessions. We are still here and still working the most hours in Europe with little reward, little progress in growing our economy.

The EU has been holding our economic growth back to stay in line with their own (Germany's) agenda. I'm not sure where Putin fits in all of this as its something I simply haven't heard about.

The concern voiced by british car manufacturers I think is a bit of a red herring as we export most of the vehicles made here to the middle east. The industry has a concern that the cost of getting parts from across Europe to build the cars, but why can't we make the parts here? What is stopping us? Might have something to do with EU trade regulations.

[Gunner Rob]

The problem with your mountain of evidence is that it appears to be supplied by people with vested interests in keeping the status quo?
And right next door is another mountain which states the complete opposite.
We pays our money and takes our chances because nobody knows what the final outcome will be.

must be a small mountain because I haven't seen it.
you seem to have a vested interest in making sure the UK leaves at any cost. Why?

[A11M11]

must be a small mountain because I haven't seen it.

As I said stop just listening to Umunna and Starmer , there's plenty of arguments on both sides but you do have to search for the suggested benefits of leaving because the mainstream media once known as Fleet Street , Sky , BBC , Channel 4 and Euronews do not report it unless they can put it in a negative light.

You ask why I am against it ?
I have no vested interest , I do not have E.U pensions or subsidies to look after , Materially I doubt that I will be better or worse off whichever way it goes. Before going self employed I worked within three companies whose success was affected by E.U policy and rulings , 2 did not survive and the other is now part of a French conglomerate . However
I did tell a friend just after the referendum that we would not leave , mainly because the establishment would not let us and it seems that the so called Chequers proposal certainly keeps us tied to the apron strings of Brussels.

[StuartL]

Turkey have recently been given 5billion euros from the EU to drill for oil in the Mediterranean. Why would you think that they are not trying to get into the EU

The EU has been holding our economic growth back to stay in line with their own (Germany's) agenda.

The concern voiced by british car manufacturers I think is a bit of a red herring as we export most of the vehicles made here to the middle east. The industry has a concern that the cost of getting parts from across Europe to build the cars, but why can't we make the parts here? What is stopping us? Might have something to do with EU trade regulations

This played a big part, in my opinion, for the vote to leave - who is the EU accountable to ?
If the government (whichever party, cos they are are self serving, greedy parasites) makes decisions that are unpopular with the masses, they face being voted out.
The EU is accountable to nobody, despite Gunner Rob’s claims that we have great influence, they can tell us to jump and we have to ask how high.

They don’t want us to go,the people in charge our end don’t want us to leave

[Gunner Rob]

Turkey have recently been given 5billion euros from the EU to drill for oil in the Mediterranean. Why would you think that they are not trying to get into the EU

The EU has been holding our economic growth back to stay in line with their own (Germany's) agenda.

The concern voiced by british car manufacturers I think is a bit of a red herring as we export most of the vehicles made here to the middle east. The industry has a concern that the cost of getting parts from across Europe to build the cars, but why can't we make the parts here? What is stopping us? Might have something to do with EU trade regulations

This played a big part, in my opinion, for the vote to leave - who is the EU accountable to ?
If the government (whichever party, cos they are are self serving, greedy parasites) makes decisions that are unpopular with the masses, they face being voted out.
The EU is accountable to nobody, despite Gunner Rob’s claims that we have great influence, they can tell us to jump and we have to ask how high.

They don’t want us to go,the people in charge our end don’t want us to leave

we currently do have influence in the EU - Why do you think for example we have not had to use the Euro as our currency ?

outside it though we are stuffed - a little island who will be bullied by the EU who will know that we need to do trade deals with them in order to survive.
Globalisation means a lot of smaller countries will need to come together in the future in order to prosper. Have you seen whats happening in Africa at the moment ? Wouldnt surprise me if in a few years time, they will have an EU type orgnisation who will do trade deals effectively with yes you guessd it - the EU

[A11M11]

Wouldnt surprise me if in a few years time, they will have an EU type orgnisation who will do trade deals effectively with yes you guessd it - the EU.

Amongst others.

[Gunner Rob]

well the way things are going I do feel as though we are on the brink of civil war in the UK.

the country seems fairly split on the Brexit issue, and when the establishment push through a Brexit deal that nobody really wants next March there is going to be increased anger from both sides. We might see the first signs of big discontent at the People's Vote march on October 20th.

[AkneyGooner]

How did EU policies send those companies under, I am genuinely interested , I'm not trying to argue it didn't happen.

[DB10GOONER]

well the way things are going I do feel as though we are on the brink of civil war in the UK.

At that point fucking Attenborough will strut into his local Tesco with an AK47 and fuck shit up.

That will really show those grannies what's what.

[A11M11]

How did EU policies send those companies under, I am genuinely interested , I'm not trying to argue it didn't happen.

Simply put , money was supplied to open manufacturing plant in countries where labour was cheaper and as it is an E.U imperative that the lowest tender should be taken ( as in the passport row ) the business disappeared from under their feet . It is still happening , I noticed the other day when buying German quality ( Bosch ) wiper blades for my wife's car that they are made in Serbia for one style and China for another.
It's a policy which doesn't make sense to an independant treasury to pay fractions less for a product but fork out unemployment benefit to those that lose their jobs and the subsequent VAT that they would have paid on their retail purchases had they stayed in work and had more to spend.

[DB10GOONER]

It's a myth that the lowest tender wins contracts in the EU. EU wide procurement rules are the tightest on planet Earth. I've sat through so many 60 and 70 page RFT documents I know what I'm talking about. "Cost" used to be standardised as 50% of the scoring scheme. It's now averaged at about 10% to 15%.

[A11M11]

So explain the passport debacle ,