The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Herd]

So we are rapidly approaching the end game on the big Brexit fiasco smoke and mirrors ,and I must say I'm confused but I do smell a huge stinking corporate rat .
May has presented a deal to Brussels which is so one sided that we might as well stay in ,but they might reject it .

When this happens her position will be untenable but before she goes I am sure there will be a some sort of 2nd referendum set up which after the largest propaganda campaign in living history will most likely mean a remain win and , hey presto we are again left in Europe and we will simply go on as normal.

So heads were are still in but in name out and tails were still in !

What A fucking waste of Hot air !

[Nos89]

Turkey have recently been given 5billion euros from the EU to drill for oil in the Mediterranean. Why would you think that they are not trying to get into the EU

The EU has been holding our economic growth back to stay in line with their own (Germany's) agenda.

The concern voiced by british car manufacturers I think is a bit of a red herring as we export most of the vehicles made here to the middle east. The industry has a concern that the cost of getting parts from across Europe to build the cars, but why can't we make the parts here? What is stopping us? Might have something to do with EU trade regulations

This played a big part, in my opinion, for the vote to leave - who is the EU accountable to ?
If the government (whichever party, cos they are are self serving, greedy parasites) makes decisions that are unpopular with the masses, they face being voted out.
The EU is accountable to nobody, despite Gunner Rob’s claims that we have great influence, they can tell us to jump and we have to ask how high.

They don’t want us to go,the people in charge our end don’t want us to leave

we currently do have influence in the EU - Why do you think for example we have not had to use the Euro as our currency ?

outside it though we are stuffed - a little island who will be bullied by the EU who will know that we need to do trade deals with them in order to survive.
Globalisation means a lot of smaller countries will need to come together in the future in order to prosper. Have you seen whats happening in Africa at the moment ? Wouldnt surprise me if in a few years time, they will have an EU type orgnisation who will do trade deals effectively with yes you guessd it - the EU

We're not in the Euro because the powers that be didn't want to throw our economy under the proverbial bus. Thatchers conservative party didn't trust the Eurocrats, neither did Blair's labour.
Had we joined the Euro we'd be tied up by the Germans, much like Greece is now. Our GDP and deficit was higher then Greece's at the time they went into administration, so to speak.
If Thatcher and Blair didn't trust the EU, and Cameron threatened to leave because of their Human Rights policy, then surely it cannot be the beneficial for this country.

[DB10GOONER]

So explain the passport debacle ,

Explain what? Your government followed EU and WTO rules on the procurement exercise. They did nothing wrong - bar upset a few Little Englanders that created the "row" by whining about outsourcing a "British icon". It's a competitive world. If the British company tendering cannot match a foreign company's bid across the scoring scheme then they miss out.

Forget "price". Procurement is conducted in line with quality and "cost".

[Gunner Rob]

So we are rapidly approaching the end game on the big Brexit fiasco smoke and mirrors ,and I must say I'm confused but I do smell a huge stinking corporate rat .
May has presented a deal to Brussels which is so one sided that we might as well stay in ,but they might reject it .

When this happens her position will be untenable but before she goes I am sure there will be a some sort of 2nd referendum set up which after the largest propaganda campaign in living history will most likely mean a remain win and , hey presto we are again left in Europe and we will simply go on as normal.

So heads were are still in but in name out and tails were still in !

What A fucking waste of Hot air !

There should not and won’t be a 2nd referendum.
However what is needed is a vote on what sort of Brexit we are going to end up with.

There should be a clear choice:

The deal agreed with the EU
No deal and walk away without paying a penny
Remain as we are

[Nos89]

Another twist is that today, leaders in the EU have declared they will unanimously reject May's deal.
We walk away with a no deal it looks like we'll be dragged through the courts for not paying a leaving fee.
Is it worth staying in this toxic marriage just to save some cash?

[Gunner Rob]

Another twist is that today, leaders in the EU have declared they will unanimously reject May's deal.
We walk away with a no deal it looks like we'll be dragged through the courts for not paying a leaving fee.
Is it worth staying in this toxic marriage just to save some cash?

It’s only morons like you who think it is toxic.

[Nos89]

Another twist is that today, leaders in the EU have declared they will unanimously reject May's deal.
We walk away with a no deal it looks like we'll be dragged through the courts for not paying a leaving fee.
Is it worth staying in this toxic marriage just to save some cash?

It’s only morons like you who think it is toxic.

Really!! Moron is that the best you can do?
Ah deedums did I upset the little snowflake...

What would you call it?

[nut flush gooner]

So we are rapidly approaching the end game on the big Brexit fiasco smoke and mirrors ,and I must say I'm confused but I do smell a huge stinking corporate rat .
May has presented a deal to Brussels which is so one sided that we might as well stay in ,but they might reject it .

When this happens her position will be untenable but before she goes I am sure there will be a some sort of 2nd referendum set up which after the largest propaganda campaign in living history will most likely mean a remain win and , hey presto we are again left in Europe and we will simply go on as normal.

So heads were are still in but in name out and tails were still in !

What A fucking waste of Hot air !

The only way there will be a second referendum is if there's a general election Herd. The most likely trigger for that is a leadership contest in the Conservative Party, and that's only happening if the chequers proposal is accepted with the likes of Johnson and Rees Mogg throwing their toys out the pram and plotting against the PM. But even then, the Conservatives don't have to call a general election until 2022.

The Europeans have over the last two days pretty much kicked that (chequers) into touch. So that really leaves us with only one likely option now, a hard brexit.

Does anyone genuinely feel better off for going through this process, we have gone from top country in the G7 in terms of growth to bottom, inflation as predicted has exceeded what is deemed acceptable. The cost of food for example has as a result of a weak pound, significantly increased.

Then there's immigration, the Europeans aren't migrating to the UK in the same numbers, but on the flip side immigration from other parts of the world is now increasing. And that's immigration that isn't dictated from Brussels!

Its going to be a tough decade or so for this country in my opinion. The US, India and China aren't going to offer us decent trade deals without big caveats.

A bit left field this article below is, but its basically saying UK investors are shunning putting money into UK companies as investments and parking funds overseas. I wonder how many of these people voted brexit, there must be a fair few.

http://citywire.co.uk/money/hargreaves- ... -news-list

[A11M11]

Hargreaves: we've never seen investors this bearish
Investor confidence in UK stock market plunges to lowest level Hargreaves Lansdown has ever recorded in its regular survey of clients.

They surveyed 500 anonymous companies so you will never know whether they voted in or out. Small surveys can be tilted by selecting who to ask and by the way the question is phrased. The only real way is to ask everyone but then again it is proven that they don't always get the answer they want.

[Gunner Rob]

Another twist is that today, leaders in the EU have declared they will unanimously reject May's deal.
We walk away with a no deal it looks like we'll be dragged through the courts for not paying a leaving fee.
Is it worth staying in this toxic marriage just to save some cash?

It’s only morons like you who think it is toxic.

Really!! Moron is that the best you can do?
Ah deedums did I upset the little snowflake...

What would you call it?

Haha no I'm not upset, I just find it amusing that I can come on here and see that some people STILL want to go ahead with Brexit (likely to be a no deal Brexit) despite all the mounting evidence that it will be a disaster for the country. Ok in 2016 you had an excuse - you were lied to and fell for the lies.

Today though in 2018 there are no excuses. Brexiteers are total SCUM and are traitors to the country.
If you want to destroy a country then can you please go and fuck off somewhere else and do it.

[A11M11]

Thanks for that Rob !

I have always tried to keep objective and civil whilst being insulted by all and sundry. Finally you have shown your real colours , and at this point I feel that if you can't maintain a modicum of civility you should stop posting and creep back under the yoke of your European bureaucracy.
There a many Gites for sale in Normandy suggest you buy one while you can.

[Gunner Rob]

Thanks for that Rob !

I have always tried to keep objective and civil whilst being insulted by all and sundry. Finally you have shown your real colours , and at this point I feel that if you can't maintain a modicum of civility you should stop posting and creep back under the yoke of your European bureaucracy.
There a many Gites for sale in Normandy suggest you buy one while you can.

i probably was a bit over the top, so I will keep off this thread for now. good luck with your Brexit.

[nut flush gooner]

Hargreaves: we've never seen investors this bearish
Investor confidence in UK stock market plunges to lowest level Hargreaves Lansdown has ever recorded in its regular survey of clients.

They surveyed 500 anonymous companies so you will never know whether they voted in or out. Small surveys can be tilted by selecting who to ask and by the way the question is phrased. The only real way is to ask everyone but then again it is proven that they don't always get the answer they want.

You didn’t read the article did you? The survey was to 500 retail customers, not companies. These are people who invest money in the stock market via their ISAs and Pensions. Not the mega rich or the elite, just normal savers that decide where they want to invest their money.

You can take the sample size with a pinch of salt but the reality is in terms of investment into the U.K. that’s exactly how things are panning out. That’s reflected in 1.2% annual growth of our economy versus 4 % in the US.

[Allgunsblazin]

Thanks for that Rob !

I have always tried to keep objective and civil whilst being insulted by all and sundry. Finally you have shown your real colours , and at this point I feel that if you can't maintain a modicum of civility you should stop posting and creep back under the yoke of your European bureaucracy.
There a many Gites for sale in Normandy suggest you buy one while you can.

i probably was a bit over the top, so I will keep off this thread for now. good luck with your Brexit.

You can say that again...
Naughty GR!
Looks like "Theresa The Appeaser" has fucked up again and will ultimately pay the price by justifiably losing her job, let's agree that she has been on borrowed time since she was advised to call a snap election, and her latest debacle "The Chequers proposal" was another plan that backfired! One wonders how she got through life by listening to unqualified personnel! I would have had more faith in a Druid casting the Runes at Stonehenge whilst she runs through fields of wheat...

The EU have actually done us all a favour by rejecting Chequers and making her backdown on borders
I think people have actually disconnected from this farce, which should have been a straightforward exit and no further cash to Brussels...
It's us and them! Always has been and always will...
Let the Election begin!...

[OneBardGooner]

So, are we leaving or are we staying?