The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[A11M11]

10 days to go until the March!

Your not that guy that photobombs every live broadcast from the fields at Westminster are you ?

[Gunner Rob]

10 days to go until the March!

Your maths is off Rob. I make it 142 days.

But if it helps there's only 22 days until the November.

no I was correct first time.
You will see

[Herd]

So we are now preparing a ,you can decide later fudge deal with nothing actually agreed ,what utter crap !

Don’t know what you are moaning about - you voted for it !

Er no Simpleton ,I voted to leave the EU as did the majority of people who voted ,however the powers that be don't want it and are still trying to fuck it up If the Government had acted in good faith and gone about the task with due diligence it would be sorted by now but the shameful fact is Theresa Mays Circus is probably the most incompetent that I have ever seen and I thought that Blair n Brown would never be beaten on that .

[Herd]

So we are now preparing a ,you can decide later fudge deal with nothing actually agreed ,what utter crap !

Don’t know what you are moaning about - you voted for it !

Er no Simpleton ,I voted to leave the EU as did the majority of people who voted ,however the powers that be don't want it and are still trying to fuck it up If the Government had acted in good faith and gone about the task with due diligence it would be sorted by now but the shameful fact is Theresa Mays Circus is probably the most incompetent that I have ever seen and I thought that Blair n Brown would never be beaten on that .

[Gunner Rob]

So we are now preparing a ,you can decide later fudge deal with nothing actually agreed ,what utter crap !

Don’t know what you are moaning about - you voted for it !

Er no Simpleton ,I voted to leave the EU as did the majority of people who voted ,however the powers that be don't want it and are still trying to fuck it up If the Government had acted in good faith and gone about the task with due diligence it would be sorted by now but the shameful fact is Theresa Mays Circus is probably the most incompetent that I have ever seen and I thought that Blair n Brown would never be beaten on that .

Well unless there is a people's vote then the UK will leave the EU as stated at the end of March 2019, so whats the problem ?

It seems to me that what you are actually moaning about is HOW we leave the EU. The trouble is that the referendum didnt state that for you did it ?
That of course is why we need a People's vote to agree on how the UK should leave.

[Herd]

Well unless there is a people's vote then the UK will leave the EU as stated at the end of March 2019, so whats the problem ?
The problem as Ive stated many times is that the Government isn't doing a very good Job of extricating the UK from the shitpit that is the EU . It affects you too Rob so you should worry too

It seems to me that what you are actually moaning about is HOW we leave the EU. The trouble is that the referendum didn't state that for you did it ?
Frustrated by the incompetence of Theresa May and her cohorts and the choice like your goodself was simple in or out ,not shake it all about.


That of course is why we need a People's vote to agree on how the UK should leave.
You vote for politicians and it is they who decide how we leave ,if we had a vote each time we wanted to pass each piece of legislation the nation would grind to a halt . As usual you fail to grasp reality

[A11M11]

As always on the ""People's Vote "" subject of the choices in it would be the deciding factor . If it's a straight vote in or out again I am sure the result would be similar but still in favour of leaving. if it's accept Chequers or stay , then Chequers would be defeated but we would be hamstrung. If it's Chequers stay in and renegotiate it's likely to turned down by Europe or if it's walk off and negotiate from the outside the result would be interesting.

[DB10GOONER]

As always on the ""People's Vote "" subject of the choices in it would be the deciding factor . If it's a straight vote in or out again I am sure the result would be similar but still in favour of leaving. if it's accept Chequers or stay , then Chequers would be defeated but we would be hamstrung. If it's Chequers stay in and renegotiate it's likely to turned down by Europe or if it's walk off and negotiate from the outside the result would be interesting.

I wonder though. Since the vote the media and youth led remainers have been very vocal about how bad Brexit might be whilst the leave side have just come across as indecisive disorganised and led by people that don't actually want to leave. I wonder how many people might be scared off by May and her fellow morons?

[A11M11]

Yeah , the delaying tactics of the powers has allowed the full media machine to toe the line and create the feeling that things have changed and that attitudes have altered. However once you get outside that area things have not changed and in fact , in the "" Sticks "" things have even hardened. Low paid workers , fishermen , Farmhands, average people , shall we say are still very strong in their views that we should leave . They just do not get publicity . Anyone that raises the problems of migration and the ghettoisation of many of our towns is immediately branded as a follower of Tommy Robinson and gets either shouted down or stopped from airing their views and certainly not reported with anything like the same gusto.
Every day we hear of a new poll saying that the percentages hasve changed but ,who are they polling and exactly where. I still work around various shops in East Anglia supplying product and speak to many people and I don't know anybody that has ever been polled.
The only time they were asked they casted their vote and it was quite clear East Anglia voted on average 65/35 to leave , and that included the votes of students at the UEA who have openly admitted to having voted both in Norwich and their home areas . Something "" Gooner "" Jeremy is hoping to cash in on.

[Gunner Rob]

Yeah , the delaying tactics of the powers has allowed the full media machine to toe the line and create the feeling that things have changed and that attitudes have altered. However once you get outside that area things have not changed and in fact , in the "" Sticks "" things have even hardened. Low paid workers , fishermen , Farmhands, average people , shall we say are still very strong in their views that we should leave . They just do not get publicity . Anyone that raises the problems of migration and the ghettoisation of many of our towns is immediately branded as a follower of Tommy Robinson and gets either shouted down or stopped from airing their views and certainly not reported with anything like the same gusto.
Every day we hear of a new poll saying that the percentages hasve changed but ,who are they polling and exactly where. I still work around various shops in East Anglia supplying product and speak to many people and I don't know anybody that has ever been polled.
The only time they were asked they casted their vote and it was quite clear East Anglia voted on average 65/35 to leave , and that included the votes of students at the UEA who have openly admitted to having voted both in Norwich and their home areas . Something "" Gooner "" Jeremy is hoping to cash in on.

I agree that if there was another referendum you are unlikely to see much change, and I don't see why there should be another one. The original referendum has yet to be implemented!
However there are obviously clear problems in getting Brexit implemented. It is not just a case of the government using delaying tactics, they are just trying to get the best deal for the country. Lets face it if they just did what a lot of simple Brexiteers want and then leave with no deal there is going to be a big economic shock to the country.

What there needs to be is a consensus on how we leave the EU, and so that's why I think there should be a people's vote on this (which should not be misinterpreted as simply another referendum) If a deal is agreed with the EU then it should be put to the public to ask whether they are happy with this OR whether they have changed their minds and would like to remain in the EU after all.

[Gunner Rob]

Well unless there is a people's vote then the UK will leave the EU as stated at the end of March 2019, so whats the problem ?
The problem as Ive stated many times is that the Government isn't doing a very good Job of extricating the UK from the shitpit that is the EU . It affects you too Rob so you should worry too

It seems to me that what you are actually moaning about is HOW we leave the EU. The trouble is that the referendum didn't state that for you did it ?
Frustrated by the incompetence of Theresa May and her cohorts and the choice like your goodself was simple in or out ,not shake it all about.


That of course is why we need a People's vote to agree on how the UK should leave.
You vote for politicians and it is they who decide how we leave ,if we had a vote each time we wanted to pass each piece of legislation the nation would grind to a halt . As usual you fail to grasp reality [/b]

Your last couple of sentences are somewhat ironic.
Yes we do all vote for politicians so that they can implement laws etc on our behalf,
However the problem with the Brexit referendum is that it was put to the public to decide - something which was clearly too big and difficult issue for most people to fully understand what they voted for. Basically the referendum should never have happened. But since it was and the people were asked whether they wanted to leave or not then surely they should also have the final say on how the country should leave.

[A11M11]

"If a deal is agreed with the EU then it should be put to the public to ask whether they are happy with this OR whether they have changed their minds and would like to remain in the EU after all."

So what about the majority of people that I speak to that are not happy with the Chequers deal but still want to leave the E.U.
How do they vote ?

if you go with the don't leave on Chequers , so we stay in . Then the EU has effectively done to the UK what it did to other states and kept the people voting until they got the result they wanted.

One thing that this whole sorry saga has done has awoken the people to the duplicity on both sides of the argument . If the conclusion is that we either leave on bad terms or we stay , the general publics faith in the political system will be shattered and the unrest will be even more toxic than it already is.

[Gunner Rob]

"If a deal is agreed with the EU then it should be put to the public to ask whether they are happy with this OR whether they have changed their minds and would like to remain in the EU after all."

So what about the majority of people that I speak to that are not happy with the Chequers deal but still want to leave the E.U.
How do they vote ?

if you go with the don't leave on Chequers , so we stay in . Then the EU has effectively done to the UK what it did to other states and kept the people voting until they got the result they wanted.

One thing that this whole sorry saga has done has awoken the people to the duplicity on both sides of the argument . If the conclusion is that we either leave on bad terms or we stay , the general publics faith in the political system will be shattered and the unrest will be even more toxic than it already is.

hang on a minute - the referendum did not specify how the UK was going to leave did it ?
the question was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

the Prime Minister has said how she has thinks the UK should leave, so as a leaver you should get behind that.
I'm not going to because I don't think the UK should leave.

At the end of the day you lot will get what you voted for if the country leaves on the Chequers deal, so I think your view that the publics faith in the political system will be shattered is a bit pathetic to be honest.

[A11M11]

And thereby hangs the tale , the unfortunate thing is that promises made have not been kept.
Having said on many occasions that staying in the customs union would be in her words " a betrayal " she is now proposing just that.
She said at Lancaster House that she is giving notice that the UK plans to leave the Customs Union allowing us to conduct trade agreements with non-EU countries.
Nobody expects to get everything they want in a negotiation but we should expect to get something however This of course has been seized on immediately by the cash strapped organisation to stick their bill in so that access to the free market is still in fact and as always never has been " Free."
An absolute cock up of a negotiation that would be laughable were it not for the fact that many suspect it was her long time aim all along.
Davies and Tusk were getting too close to agreeing a canada style system , so she pushed him to one side and took over to get her own way.
As I said the resentment in the country should be her downfall but the spectre of Corbyn taking the reins might be too much. However I wonder just how high the turnout will be as many feel that it's now just not worth the effort.

[Gunner Rob]

And thereby hangs the tale , the unfortunate thing is that promises made have not been kept.
Having said on many occasions that staying in the customs union would be in her words " a betrayal " she is now proposing just that.
She said at Lancaster House that she is giving notice that the UK plans to leave the Customs Union allowing us to conduct trade agreements with non-EU countries.
Nobody expects to get everything they want in a negotiation but we should expect to get something however This of course has been seized on immediately by the cash strapped organisation to stick their bill in so that access to the free market is still in fact and as always never has been " Free."
An absolute cock up of a negotiation that would be laughable were it not for the fact that many suspect it was her long time aim all along.
Davies and Tusk were getting too close to agreeing a canada style system , so she pushed him to one side and took over to get her own way.
As I said the resentment in the country should be her downfall but the spectre of Corbyn taking the reins might be too much. However I wonder just how high the turnout will be as many feel that it's now just not worth the effort.

you have never got it have you - there is no negotiation to be had with the EU.
the UK is a member of the EU and if any member leaves then you have to lose the rights which you were entitled to before. Seems fair enough.

the other countries in the EU have reminded the UK of this time and time again. we can never cherry pick our own deals, it has always been fairly obvious that the best deal for the UK is INSIDE the EU. The trouble is that the right wing media in the UK have constantly said that it would be easy for the UK to negotiate a deal with the EU because we hold all the cards, the EU needs us more than we need them and all that rubbish.

Brexiteers have dismissed all the scare stories as Project Fear, without ever coming up with any reasons why they won't happen.
And so you have a situation now where the UK government is no further forward than 2 years ago, but yet might be paying the rest of the EU £39 BILLION to leave somewhere which makes the country better off - madness!

5 Days to go...