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Possibly 89, I have been known to over think things ,but the club withdrew their offer to him ,not his counter proposal to their offer which is a different kettle of fish . It suggests a change of stance from the club but in any case why wouldnt you extend the contract then sell him on before the new contract kicks in at full market value ??? it would save you millions and cost you nothing !
Maybe cos if we had of offered him anything near what he was looking for, it would have priced other clubs out of buying him ?
Or maybe it is because emery and the club realised that really he isnt that good after all, and that he isnt irreplaceable ?
I'm hopeful that someone at the club said "hang the fuck on - Wenger and The Lizard left us with one anchor hanging round our necks by paying Ozil 350k a week, let's not make that fucking mistake again".
Hopeful. Not confident.
Whilst I agree that AR is not worth anywhere near the 250k figure I do think that we are going to watch him get that kind of money elsewhere. How the fuck is Sanllehi supposed to go to wiggy for the cash to replace Ramsey without looking a complete prick. I'm sure that even wiggy must have noticed by now that we keep pissing money away and given the transfer piggy bank of the summer I don't expect wiggy will stump up much cash....if any. It's all well and good saying he can fuck off as he's shite but that ain't going to buy his replacement and we'll all be expecting one. The club need to establish whether he will be prepared to move in January so we can get something for him, if not then he's sidelined and finished with playing til next season - fuck him.
I dont, and I will actually be disappointed if we spend money getting one.
Right now we have torreira, xhaka, guendozi, ozil maitland-niles, mikki, smith-rowe and elninny who can all play centre midfield, and at least 4 of them can play the attacking central midfielder role, so why buy another ?? If I was the manager I would be trying to offload one or two central midfielders (I'm thinking of you here elninny ) cos we are overstocked in that position imo, and spending the money on defence would be a no-brainer for me
I don't care if we buy a 'direct' replacement or not for Ramsey my point is - what money? Ramsey goes for nothing and those midfielders who we would happily get rid off are worth bugger all in real terms. The only player who imo we could afford to lose but who would bring in serious cash is Bellerin and I don't see Dick going for that. If we don't start maximising our return on departing players we are going to end up kings of the bargain basement.......unless wiggy has a change of heart
Possibly 89, I have been known to over think things ,but the club withdrew their offer to him ,not his counter proposal to their offer which is a different kettle of fish . It suggests a change of stance from the club but in any case why wouldnt you extend the contract then sell him on before the new contract kicks in at full market value ??? it would save you millions and cost you nothing !
Maybe cos if we had of offered him anything near what he was looking for, it would have priced other clubs out of buying him ?
Or maybe it is because emery and the club realised that really he isnt that good after all, and that he isnt irreplaceable ?
I'm hopeful that someone at the club said "hang the fuck on - Wenger and The Lizard left us with one anchor hanging round our necks by paying Ozil 350k a week, let's not make that fucking mistake again".
Hopeful. Not confident.
Whilst I agree that AR is not worth anywhere near the 250k figure I do think that we are going to watch him get that kind of money elsewhere. How the fuck is Sanllehi supposed to go to wiggy for the cash to replace Ramsey without looking a complete prick. I'm sure that even wiggy must have noticed by now that we keep pissing money away and given the transfer piggy bank of the summer I don't expect wiggy will stump up much cash....if any. It's all well and good saying he can fuck off as he's shite but that ain't going to buy his replacement and we'll all be expecting one. The club need to establish whether he will be prepared to move in January so we can get something for him, if not then he's sidelined and finished with playing til next season - fuck him.
I dont, and I will actually be disappointed if we spend money getting one.
Right now we have torreira, xhaka, guendozi, ozil maitland-niles, mikki, smith-rowe and elninny who can all play centre midfield, and at least 4 of them can play the attacking central midfielder role, so why buy another ?? If I was the manager I would be trying to offload one or two central midfielders (I'm thinking of you here elninny ) cos we are overstocked in that position imo, and spending the money on defence would be a no-brainer for me
Spot on as usual Augie. Finding myself agreeing more and more with your posts these days. Fair play.
Strong rumours that all the while ramsey's agent/people were talking to Arsenal FC reps about a new deal - They were holding secret meetings with manu and chavski reps....
It is very re-assuring to know that the people dealing with transfers, selling & buying know what they are doing - take no shyte (ie: ramsey) and also consult Unai Emery as to what it is he needs, and of course that such things are no longer within the tight as fuckk scrooge hands of that cuntbag wenker.
It is very re-assuring to know that the people dealing with transfers, selling & buying know what they are doing - take no shyte (ie: ramsey) and also consult Unai Emery as to what it is he needs, and of course that such things are no longer within the tight as fuckk scrooge hands of that cuntbag wenker.
I sincerely hope that extends to their being aware that they have money in the bank to buy new players with after we let another one go (potentially) for nothing. It's great that the club are prepared to call the shots once again and it will be very interesting to see if the Ramsey deal was withdrawn due to the club getting wind of him talking to other clubs. All the change going on is totally refreshing but I can't help but suspect that the wiggy cu.nt will not exactly splash the cash when it comes to new players. Maybe between Sven and Dick they have a few bargains in mind and all will be well.
We do seem to have 3-4 quality young players coming through the ranks and I'd like to see them given the chance. It's been a while since the academy has yeilded some quality. Maybe it's our turn again. We don't need to, or probably afford to buy in players. All that money went on our current front line.
Don’t really get the whole ‘withdrawing’ the offer as though he was going to sign it.
If there was a megabucks offer on the table he was happy with he would have signed it already without a moment’s hesitation.
If we have ‘withdrawn’ a contract offer it was no doubt because he was fucking around and stringing us along. Ridiculous for us to be in that possession but if there’s an alternative between paying the bloke north of 200k a week and letting him walk away for free I don’t have to pause for thought.
Don’t really get the whole ‘withdrawing’ the offer as though he was going to sign it.
If there was a megabucks offer on the table he was happy with he would have signed it already without a moment’s hesitation.
If we have ‘withdrawn’ a contract offer it was no doubt because he was fucking around and stringing us along. Ridiculous for us to be in that possession but if there’s an alternative between paying the bloke north of 200k a week and letting him walk away for free I don’t have to pause for thought.
Exactly - I believe that he made up his mind a long time ago that he wanted out, and it looks like he has strung this out so he can walk away on a free. My interpretation on players who do this (not just ramsey) is that the move is all about greed (getting as much coin as possible) as opposed to just wanting a new challenge or a club with ambition.
My gripe with this is still that we didnt withdraw our offer on august 1st like we should have - we lost all control of this situation when we allowed ramsey to fcuk about and drag this out, and we should have sold him to whatever club made the highest offer
£5m for just over 10 seasons is a good rate of return and good business from Wenger&Co...
Now this has not just reared its ugly head, the impasse is club driven, when a loyal player has given over 10 years service then we should be less hard nosed when improving their deals because when this happens the player and his entourage look elsewhere, which is what anyone would do...
I would say there are less deserving players who just swell the midfield ranks and should be let go to allow us to release more funds for a Ramsey deal, not rocket science, and reading of "Emery"' supposedly ripping up his contract certainly makes him look like a "Dick"
Disloyalty is not the case, "bluster with indignation" is more likely!....
£5m for just over 10 seasons is a good rate of return and good business from Wenger&Co...
Now this has not just reared its ugly head, the impasse is club driven, when a loyal player has given over 10 years service then we should be less hard nosed when improving their deals because when this happens the player and his entourage look elsewhere, which is what anyone would do...
I would say there are less deserving players who just swell the midfield ranks and should be let go to allow us to release more funds for a Ramsey deal, not rocket science, and reading of "Emery"' supposedly ripping up his contract certainly makes him look like a "Dick"
Disloyalty is not the case, "bluster with indignation" is more likely!....
So you are saying that ramsey is deserving of a contract paying him north of 200k per week ? Seriously ??
£5m for just over 10 seasons is a good rate of return and good business from Wenger&Co...
Now this has not just reared its ugly head, the impasse is club driven, when a loyal player has given over 10 years service then we should be less hard nosed when improving their deals because when this happens the player and his entourage look elsewhere, which is what anyone would do...
I would say there are less deserving players who just swell the midfield ranks and should be let go to allow us to release more funds for a Ramsey deal, not rocket science, and reading of "Emery"' supposedly ripping up his contract certainly makes him look like a "Dick"
Disloyalty is not the case, "bluster with indignation" is more likely!....
So you are saying that ramsey is deserving of a contract paying him north of 200k per week ? Seriously ??
I don’t give a fuck about Ramsey, he has a winning touch at times when the team have gone nowhere near scoring, but BIG clubs will snatch him up and who can blame him.
You would do the same, and don’t give me all this loyalty bollocks
It’s all about the cash..
£5m for just over 10 seasons is a good rate of return and good business from Wenger&Co...
Now this has not just reared its ugly head, the impasse is club driven, when a loyal player has given over 10 years service then we should be less hard nosed when improving their deals because when this happens the player and his entourage look elsewhere, which is what anyone would do...
I would say there are less deserving players who just swell the midfield ranks and should be let go to allow us to release more funds for a Ramsey deal, not rocket science, and reading of "Emery"' supposedly ripping up his contract certainly makes him look like a "Dick"
Disloyalty is not the case, "bluster with indignation" is more likely!....
So you are saying that ramsey is deserving of a contract paying him north of 200k per week ? Seriously ??
I don’t give a fuck about Ramsey, he has a winning touch at times when the team have gone nowhere near scoring, but BIG clubs will snatch him up and who can blame him.
You would do the same, and don’t give me all this loyalty bollocks
It’s all about the cash..
I know that big clubs will try to sign him - one of the many, many problems of modern football is that everyone is world class ( ) and ramsey's rep will get him a good deal until his new club discover that he actually isnt that good after all
I get the whole financial aspect of this situation - giving him a new £200k per week contract would cost the club £40m which would be the transfer fee before wages of a good but not quality player, but at the same time ramsey is just not worth that contract and if we gave him that deal we would be stuck with him for at least 4 more years
5m for 10 seasons sounds good but how many games has he played in 10 years? How many good seasons has he had? NONE! He’s had half a good season once. The club stood by him when he was consistently injured (thanks Arsene) so actually I don’t think he is a big miss at all. Yes he’ll be snapped up because he will be on a free! No-one came in and offered big money when he was under contract. He’s overrated and is yet another luxury we can do without.
£5m for just over 10 seasons is a good rate of return and good business from Wenger&Co...
Now this has not just reared its ugly head, the impasse is club driven, when a loyal player has given over 10 years service then we should be less hard nosed when improving their deals because when this happens the player and his entourage look elsewhere, which is what anyone would do...
I would say there are less deserving players who just swell the midfield ranks and should be let go to allow us to release more funds for a Ramsey deal, not rocket science, and reading of "Emery"' supposedly ripping up his contract certainly makes him look like a "Dick"
Disloyalty is not the case, "bluster with indignation" is more likely!....
So you are saying that ramsey is deserving of a contract paying him north of 200k per week ? Seriously ??
I don’t give a fuck about Ramsey, he has a winning touch at times when the team have gone nowhere near scoring, but BIG clubs will snatch him up and who can blame him.
You would do the same, and don’t give me all this loyalty bollocks
It’s all about the cash..
I know that big clubs will try to sign him - one of the many, many problems of modern football is that everyone is world class ( ) and ramsey's rep will get him a good deal until his new club discover that he actually isnt that good after all
I get the whole financial aspect of this situation - giving him a new £200k per week contract would cost the club £40m which would be the transfer fee before wages of a good but not quality player, but at the same time ramsey is just not worth that contract and if we gave him that deal we would be stuck with him for at least 4 more years
And that's where certain clubs view it, 4 years for a proven Home International Premiership player and will take him on a Free and bump up his salary...
Once these type of players are coming close to the end of their contracts, the vultures then encircle the club and wait for the contract to close, it's a win win for them and a lose lose for Arsenal...
The club obviously offered him something, but that was not to the players liking and yes he is definitely ready to move.
Shame for him to go after a decade, but needs must and we have more than enough competition for that position, thanks to Wenger
Would like to see a more balanced squad with less midfielders and more quality defenders with the odd striker (not asking for much ) but it is very early days and I can honestly say my frustration with the club has been tempered somewhat, not as stressful as the past 12 years and if a player decides to leave, I can actually accept that and there lies the gulf between Wengers departures and Emerys....
£5m for just over 10 seasons is a good rate of return and good business from Wenger&Co...
Now this has not just reared its ugly head, the impasse is club driven, when a loyal player has given over 10 years service then we should be less hard nosed when improving their deals because when this happens the player and his entourage look elsewhere, which is what anyone would do...
I would say there are less deserving players who just swell the midfield ranks and should be let go to allow us to release more funds for a Ramsey deal, not rocket science, and reading of "Emery"' supposedly ripping up his contract certainly makes him look like a "Dick"
Disloyalty is not the case, "bluster with indignation" is more likely!....
So you are saying that ramsey is deserving of a contract paying him north of 200k per week ? Seriously ??
I don’t give a fuck about Ramsey, he has a winning touch at times when the team have gone nowhere near scoring, but BIG clubs will snatch him up and who can blame him.
You would do the same, and don’t give me all this loyalty bollocks
It’s all about the cash..
I know that big clubs will try to sign him - one of the many, many problems of modern football is that everyone is world class ( ) and ramsey's rep will get him a good deal until his new club discover that he actually isnt that good after all
I get the whole financial aspect of this situation - giving him a new £200k per week contract would cost the club £40m which would be the transfer fee before wages of a good but not quality player, but at the same time ramsey is just not worth that contract and if we gave him that deal we would be stuck with him for at least 4 more years
And that's where certain clubs view it, 4 years for a proven Home International Premiership player and will take him on a Free and bump up his salary...
Once these type of players are coming close to the end of their contracts, the vultures then encircle the club and wait for the contract to close, it's a win win for them and a lose lose for Arsenal...
The club obviously offered him something, but that was not to the players liking and yes he is definitely ready to move.
Shame for him to go after a decade, but needs must and we have more than enough competition for that position, thanks to Wenger
Would like to see a more balanced squad with less midfielders and more quality defenders with the odd striker (not asking for much ) but it is very early days and I can honestly say my frustration with the club has been tempered somewhat, not as stressful as the past 12 years and if a player decides to leave, I can actually accept that and there lies the gulf between Wengers departures and Emerys....
its not lose lose for us at all. we lose on a transfer fee, admittedly, which could have been hefty for a overinflated reputation home grown player. But we gain big time by getting rid of player who hinders us when he plays and brings nothing to the team. Our continued development in the future can only be helped by getting rid of players like him who have no defined role, and dont benefit the team on the pitch.
If I was the manager I would be trying to offload one or two central midfielders (I'm thinking of you here elninny
) cos we are overstocked in that position imo, and spending the money on defence would be a no-brainer for me
