The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[A11M11]

they realise the advantages of being in the world's biggest trading area.""

Then again we pay dearly for the access to that market whilst others get paid to be in it.

[Gunner Rob]

Having spent so long denigrating those of us that wanted to leave, perhaps the remaining side could tell us how they see the way continued membership would pan out for the Uk and how the changes in the pipeline will be to our advantage.

Advantages of being in the EU

1. Immigration - has been beneficial as they are net contributors to the economy
2. Trade - the UK has thrived and grown around the single market
3. Scientific funding and collaboration - we do especially well out of EU funding research streams
4, Regulatory agencies - eg Euratom.
5. cost - in 2016 we paid £13 billion to the EU but got back £4.5 billion in EU spending - most of that was spent in the deprived areas of the UK.
Will the government provide the same funding when we leave ? VERY UNLIKELY
6. EU membership costs amount to less than 0.5% of the UK's GDP
7. 45 years of peace
8. easy air travel
9. Freedom of movement
10. Consumer/employee/animal rights

What we will get when we leave the EU

1. A blue passport
2. a commemorative 50p coin

[Herd]

Having spent so long denigrating those of us that wanted to leave, perhaps the remaining side could tell us how they see the way continued membership would pan out for the Uk and how the changes in the pipeline will be to our advantage.

Advantages of being in the EU

1. Immigration - has been beneficial as they are net contributors to the economy
Codswallop ,there are a few thousand high flyers who would get in anyway who contribute ,the rest take loads out.
Hundreds of thousands of People who have not paid a cent in tax are living in social housing ,sending their kids to schools and using the NHS.
You pay for that as well as the millions here from other countries !

2. Trade - the UK has thrived and grown around the single market
We will still deal with Europe ,its countries depend on us as we do them.

3. Scientific funding and collaboration - we do especially well out of EU funding research streams

Waffle
4, Regulatory agencies - eg Euratom. more waffle
5. cost - in 2016 we paid £13 billion to the EU but got back £4.5 billion in EU spending - most of that was spent in the deprived areas of the UK.
Will the government provide the same funding when we leave ? VERY UNLIKELY do you seriously think we would leave if this was truly the case ?
6. EU membership costs amount to less than 0.5% of the UK's GDP More cherry picked stats here the real cost is massive
7. 45 years of peace
Peace are you fucking kidding ,the Balkan wars ,what did the UK/EU do for that ,oh yes we bombed the fuck out of Serbia and then let half of Kosovo into the country ,we are at war in Afghanistan right now ,and have been all over the middle east too ,peace my arse.
8. easy air travel planes will still work
9. Freedom of movement Will still move around im sure without a problem.....long term
10. Consumer/employee/animal rights
Our consumer rights are fucking awful ,there are slaves working all over Europe ,and employment rights are non existant here already

What we will get when we leave the EU

A new start ????

[Gunner Rob]

looks like we will have to disagree again then Herd

anyway not long now until March 29th when we can start to see who is right.

[Herd]

looks like we will have to disagree again then Herd

anyway not long now until March 29th when we can start to see who is right.

Right about what precisely ?
Right now it's lose lose all round ! I don't want out of Europe to win a bet , I wanted it because I genuinely believe it would have been for the best for the country .

We are going to end up with whatever crap deal May makes which will be voted through with labor rebels and we will have achieved nothing but more cost !

Meantime the countries going to hell because this government doesn't know what its doing and is crippled by Brexit bullshit !

[Gunner Rob]

looks like we will have to disagree again then Herd

anyway not long now until March 29th when we can start to see who is right.

Right about what precisely ?
Right now it's lose lose all round ! I don't want out of Europe to win a bet , I wanted it because I genuinely believe it would have been for the best for the country .

We are going to end up with whatever crap deal May makes which will be voted through with labor rebels and we will have achieved nothing but more cost !

Meantime the countries going to hell because this government doesn't know what its doing and is crippled by Brexit bullshit !

well that is what you voted for ?!

on the ballot paper it asked "do you want to leave the EU ?"
it didn't ask how you wanted to leave - that is exactly why there is such a mess.

NO ONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY VOTED FOR - YOU HAVE BEEN CONNED BY A FEW RICH RIGHT WING TORIES

[flash gunner]

Remember lads less than 6 months till this thread is locked

[A11M11]

In effect we voted to leave , we didn't vote for any type of deal . We are not stupid and we all knew it would take time to sort out but there has been the best part of 3 years in which that could have been done however the prevarication has slowed that down. Herd is right we need to trade with them and they need to trade with us really it should not have needed to take so long but that's what you get when politicians get involved .
Planes will still fly even O'leary has backed down on that and I travelled Europe without problem in the 60's all I needed was a passport and you all will be able to that again .
Just look forward to Herd's new start, it's something long overdue in this country we do need political change and already Labour are unelectable , Liberal's are a forgotten entity and it's going to take a long time for anybody to forgive the Tories . Perhaps a total electoral reform is on the cards looking at the Lords and the number of MPs would be a start.

[Gunner Rob]

Remember lads less than 6 months till this thread is locked

Flash - Brexit doesn’t kick off until the end of March. This is merely the pre season friendlies stage

[Herd]

Remember lads less than 6 months till this thread is locked

Flash - Brexit doesn’t kick off until the end of March. This is merely the pre season friendlies stage

possibly the only two amusing posts in the entire thread !

[GoonerMuzz]

Having spent so long denigrating those of us that wanted to leave, perhaps the remaining side could tell us how they see the way continued membership would pan out for the Uk and how the changes in the pipeline will be to our advantage.

Advantages of being in the EU

1. Immigration - has been beneficial as they are net contributors to the economy
2. Trade - the UK has thrived and grown around the single market
3. Scientific funding and collaboration - we do especially well out of EU funding research streams
4, Regulatory agencies - eg Euratom.
5. cost - in 2016 we paid £13 billion to the EU but got back £4.5 billion in EU spending - most of that was spent in the deprived areas of the UK.
Will the government provide the same funding when we leave ? VERY UNLIKELY
6. EU membership costs amount to less than 0.5% of the UK's GDP
7. 45 years of peace
8. easy air travel
9. Freedom of movement
10. Consumer/employee/animal rights

What we will get when we leave the EU

1. A blue passport
2. a commemorative 50p coin

Rob i really have to pull you up on point 7, the Warsaw pact and Nato have had more to do with peace in Europe than the EU, in fact the only time the EU tried to help achieve a peaceful solution to a conflict in Europe they fucked it up so royally that British and other European soldiers had to stand and watch woman and children being raped and babies heads being bashed in in front of them before the UN had to step in and take over...........

[Gunner Rob]

Having spent so long denigrating those of us that wanted to leave, perhaps the remaining side could tell us how they see the way continued membership would pan out for the Uk and how the changes in the pipeline will be to our advantage.

Advantages of being in the EU

1. Immigration - has been beneficial as they are net contributors to the economy
2. Trade - the UK has thrived and grown around the single market
3. Scientific funding and collaboration - we do especially well out of EU funding research streams
4, Regulatory agencies - eg Euratom.
5. cost - in 2016 we paid £13 billion to the EU but got back £4.5 billion in EU spending - most of that was spent in the deprived areas of the UK.
Will the government provide the same funding when we leave ? VERY UNLIKELY
6. EU membership costs amount to less than 0.5% of the UK's GDP
7. 45 years of peace
8. easy air travel
9. Freedom of movement
10. Consumer/employee/animal rights

What we will get when we leave the EU

1. A blue passport
2. a commemorative 50p coin

Rob i really have to pull you up on point 7, the Warsaw pact and Nato have had more to do with peace in Europe than the EU, in fact the only time the EU tried to help achieve a peaceful solution to a conflict in Europe they fucked it up so royally that British and other European soldiers had to stand and watch woman and children being raped and babies heads being bashed in in front of them before the UN had to step in and take over...........

fair point - as I have said before the EU is far from perfect, however it is the best option.

as with anytjhing to do with the EU and Brexit you have to look at the big picture.
in 2012 the EU was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The committee applauded the EU for its contribution over six decades to ‘the advancement of peace and reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe’ and being instrumental in ‘transforming most of Europe from a continent of war to a continent of peace.’ Whatever else it may have or have not done, the Union has helped avoid war between the current members of the EU since 1945.

you risk that stability with Brexit.

[Herd]

Henry Kissinger has a nobel peace prize ,the people of Laos are a little surprised about that !
The UN has one too despite it's long track record of doing nothing !
Shit even Obama who is largely responsible for the Ukrainian ,Libyan and Syrian Civil wars has one !
The EU does nothing to promote peace whatsoever !

[DB10GOONER]

Fucking hell even I have a Nobel Peace Prize. From that time I told Stabby Murphy in me local to calm the fuck down it was only a bit of piss on his leg ffs.

[nut flush gooner]

Having spent so long denigrating those of us that wanted to leave, perhaps the remaining side could tell us how they see the way continued membership would pan out for the Uk and how the changes in the pipeline will be to our advantage.

Advantages of being in the EU

1. Immigration - has been beneficial as they are net contributors to the economy
Codswallop ,there are a few thousand high flyers who would get in anyway who contribute ,the rest take loads out.
Hundreds of thousands of People who have not paid a cent in tax are living in social housing ,sending their kids to schools and using the NHS.
You pay for that as well as the millions here from other countries !

2. Trade - the UK has thrived and grown around the single market
We will still deal with Europe ,its countries depend on us as we do them.

3. Scientific funding and collaboration - we do especially well out of EU funding research streams

Waffle
4, Regulatory agencies - eg Euratom. more waffle
5. cost - in 2016 we paid £13 billion to the EU but got back £4.5 billion in EU spending - most of that was spent in the deprived areas of the UK.
Will the government provide the same funding when we leave ? VERY UNLIKELY do you seriously think we would leave if this was truly the case ?
6. EU membership costs amount to less than 0.5% of the UK's GDP More cherry picked stats here the real cost is massive
7. 45 years of peace
Peace are you fucking kidding ,the Balkan wars ,what did the UK/EU do for that ,oh yes we bombed the fuck out of Serbia and then let half of Kosovo into the country ,we are at war in Afghanistan right now ,and have been all over the middle east too ,peace my arse.
8. easy air travel planes will still work
9. Freedom of movement Will still move around im sure without a problem.....long term
10. Consumer/employee/animal rights
Our consumer rights are fucking awful ,there are slaves working all over Europe ,and employment rights are non existant here already

What we will get when we leave the EU

A new start ????

Herd, you have kind of left yourself open for a bit of a comeback here. I cba to trawl my way through the cesspit of false information on this thread, a few weeks ago it was about European Armies, something that will never ever happen. People should be more worried about Trump ripping up nuclear proliferation treaties than fallacies about the United States of Europe. You didn't bring this up but nevermind.

Anyway, you claimed in a previous discussion that you have studied Economics right? Well if that's the case why do you sound like someone with a raging problem with immigrants making what by all purposes is a factually incorrect statement. Rob is right about the "net" contribution of immigrants, they put more into the economy than they take out. So by definition, if you remove the immigrants (in particular the ones from the EEA) as a country we are net worse off. The reason the NHS is creaking at the seams is because of Tory austerity as much as anything else, it creates a perfect storm because people like to pin the blame for the failings of our state on low hanging fruit, immigrants are an easy target no?

Just to back up what has been said many times on this thread, there has been an up to date study on the impact of European Migration on our economy. Here it is:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45565124

In section 4 I quote "Figures calculated for the Migration Advisory Committee show that the average adult migrant from the EEA contributes £2,300 more to the UK public purse than the average UK resident". This in effect suggests that the indigenous population contributing less to the public purse is as much a problem as the immigrant population?

Now to me, that suggests that there aren't a few thousand professionals propping up the rest of the "spongers". It's across the board from highly skilled immigrants right down to those who work in the trades. I could be here all night going through all the other points, but this is the one that struck me as patently wrong, where a lot of brexiteers refuse to believe the truth.

Even though we haven't left the EU, our GDP ranking in the G7 has fallen from top to pretty much last in 3 years. It currently stands at 1.2% which is pretty anaemic compared with the 4%+ of the US or 6%+ of China. Now tell me the vote hasn't had a detrimental effect already.