OZIL - Merged Thread

[DB10GOONER]

1989 will own you now DB10 - you will become part of his gang and start labelling all sorts of useless cunting players as world class after 10 minutes of great football

Yup.

But in all honesty I hope he doesn't leave. Seems like a nice bloke and is obviously a die hard Gooner. Be a shame if he really felt he had to to leave over me having a blow out.

1989 come on back buddy.

[Jock Gooner]

Frustrating though he might be, the fact remains that with our wonky underperforming midfield he is still the boy to unlock a defence. A fantastic pass for the first goal and his run at the defence made the third. We all know he can do it and we all want him to do more of it but the fact remains that if he isn't in there to do it there is very little creativity of note coming from the rest of the midfield. He provided a couple of moments in a match that otherwise had me thinking that going Xmas shopping might actually have been more fun

[northbank123]

However frustrating you find him who would actually prefer to watch Mkhitaryan? The only advantage the guy has is if we are actually playing an effective high press for 20 minutes like against Spurs and Liverpool. Otherwise give me a hit and miss Ozil any day.

[augie]

However frustrating you find him who would actually prefer to watch Mkhitaryan? The only advantage the guy has is if we are actually playing an effective high press for 20 minutes like against Spurs and Liverpool. Otherwise give me a hit and miss Ozil any day.

There are literally no circumstances in which I would rather see mikki, but I can understand why Dick might feel that mikki provides better width, which suits his system better

[Jock Gooner]

However frustrating you find him who would actually prefer to watch Mkhitaryan? The only advantage the guy has is if we are actually playing an effective high press for 20 minutes like against Spurs and Liverpool. Otherwise give me a hit and miss Ozil any day.

Well that isn't going to be an issue for about 6 weeks according to SSN.....another bleedin injury.

[SydneyGooner]

Post from another Arsenal forum that I tend to agree with. The Arshavin comparison seems apt although I'd argue that he was definitely world class for us in 2009.

The fact that this debate has gone on for so long and still going speaks volumes. This same debate is happening everywhere in football. He's just not that good, lads. World Class players don't divide opinion like this and not for so long. We don't have these sort of debates on Henry and Bergkamp. We didn't have these sort of debates with Fabregas or Van Persie. Same goes for Sanchez.

In fact, I don't even think Andrei Arshavin was given half the support I've seen Ozil receive over the years. That's the only player I can really compare Ozil to. No idea why Ozil gets so much backing and and why this debate rages on.

[AkneyGooner]

Well if we keep dropping him how can we expect any consistentacy from him.

He is a good creator, but he has barely played a full 90 minutes lately, and who knows if it is injury or a fallout with management, we created 7 chances with him on the pitch in the first half, and 1 in the second half without him. Also we looked just as likely to concede in the second half as we did in the first, in fact I would say they dominated the second half.

[northbank123]

I’m not sure I completely agree with this idea that Ozil just isn’t an Emery player. Emery isn’t some philistine who can’t deal with anyone that isn’t a complete grafter.

Would have been interested to see how Emery would have got on with 2013 Ozil. Unfortunately 2018 Ozil has long since given up the ghost and is happy to take his 350k a week having sacked off international football and settled on this notion that he is grossly undervalued and unfairly targeted by just about everyone.

His days seem exceptionally numbered here and I imagine we will have to take a huge hit on his potential transfer fee to offload him given his wages. Can see him fucking off to Turkey where he can play out his days in an easy fashion.

Difficult to see him as anything other than a huge waste of talent, wherever the blame lies. Still remember being in complete disbelief that we had signed one of the best players in the world.

[Nos89]

Apparantly, ozil didn't make the trip to Liverpool due a knee injury he was complaining about. He trained on Friday but pulled out the trip to Liverpool. If he plays against Fulham then that's clearly him shirking his duty to play against the big teams.

[DB10GOONER]

Apparantly, ozil didn't make the trip to Liverpool due a knee injury he was complaining about. He trained on Friday but pulled out the trip to Liverpool. If he plays against Fulham then that's clearly him shirking his duty to play against the big teams.

Sorry mate that is a really silly comment to make about any footballer. If he had an injury or was advised to withdraw as a precaution then he did the right thing. It's not as simple as he just decided not to play. The club have a medical and physio team that analyse and assess these things and advise the player and manager accordingly.

Christ this whole Ozil agenda is getting embarrassing tbh. Have you ever played football competitively over a number of years? You can pick up what at the time feels like a bad knock and three days later it feels fine when the swelling goes down. If he plays against Fulham who is to say he was not legit injured for the mouser game?

[DB10GOONER]

I’m not sure I completely agree with this idea that Ozil just isn’t an Emery player. Emery isn’t some philistine who can’t deal with anyone that isn’t a complete grafter.

Would have been interested to see how Emery would have got on with 2013 Ozil. Unfortunately 2018 Ozil has long since given up the ghost and is happy to take his 350k a week having sacked off international football and settled on this notion that he is grossly undervalued and unfairly targeted by just about everyone.

His days seem exceptionally numbered here and I imagine we will have to take a huge hit on his potential transfer fee to offload him given his wages. Can see him fucking off to Turkey where he can play out his days in an easy fashion.

Difficult to see him as anything other than a huge waste of talent, wherever the blame lies. Still remember being in complete disbelief that we had signed one of the best players in the world.

All possibly true but also it is worth noting ss a counter argument that Dick has been making some absolutely shocking decisions over and over again all season. Persisting with the utter shit that is Comedy Iwobi being only the most obvious one.

Not saying Dick has to go but rather that he is not infallible.

[northbank123]

I’m not sure I completely agree with this idea that Ozil just isn’t an Emery player. Emery isn’t some philistine who can’t deal with anyone that isn’t a complete grafter.

Would have been interested to see how Emery would have got on with 2013 Ozil. Unfortunately 2018 Ozil has long since given up the ghost and is happy to take his 350k a week having sacked off international football and settled on this notion that he is grossly undervalued and unfairly targeted by just about everyone.

His days seem exceptionally numbered here and I imagine we will have to take a huge hit on his potential transfer fee to offload him given his wages. Can see him fucking off to Turkey where he can play out his days in an easy fashion.

Difficult to see him as anything other than a huge waste of talent, wherever the blame lies. Still remember being in complete disbelief that we had signed one of the best players in the world.

All possibly true but also it is worth noting ss a counter argument that Dick has been making some absolutely shocking decisions over and over again all season. Persisting with the utter shit that is Comedy Iwobi being only the most obvious one.

Not saying Dick has to go but rather that he is not infallible.

Mate I remember being in complete disbelief when we had signed one of the best players on the planet. Absolutely giddy. Complete fucking coup.

Whatever anybody thinks of Ozil that isn’t the player that Dick inherited.

[DB10GOONER]

I’m not sure I completely agree with this idea that Ozil just isn’t an Emery player. Emery isn’t some philistine who can’t deal with anyone that isn’t a complete grafter.

Would have been interested to see how Emery would have got on with 2013 Ozil. Unfortunately 2018 Ozil has long since given up the ghost and is happy to take his 350k a week having sacked off international football and settled on this notion that he is grossly undervalued and unfairly targeted by just about everyone.

His days seem exceptionally numbered here and I imagine we will have to take a huge hit on his potential transfer fee to offload him given his wages. Can see him fucking off to Turkey where he can play out his days in an easy fashion.

Difficult to see him as anything other than a huge waste of talent, wherever the blame lies. Still remember being in complete disbelief that we had signed one of the best players in the world.

All possibly true but also it is worth noting ss a counter argument that Dick has been making some absolutely shocking decisions over and over again all season. Persisting with the utter shit that is Comedy Iwobi being only the most obvious one.

Not saying Dick has to go but rather that he is not infallible.

Mate I remember being in complete disbelief when we had signed one of the best players on the planet. Absolutely giddy. Complete fucking coup.

Whatever anybody thinks of Ozil that isn’t the player that Dick inherited.

True. There is certainly an argument that we should have got more from him. But then he spent those years under Wenger being played out of position far too often and also surrounded by some of the most average and worst players in the history of our club.

He is still playing with too many poor players to see the best of him. It must be hugely frustrating for him to see a pass, deliver it, and then watch the likes of Comedy Iwobi or Elneny see the same pass and move into it about 5 seconds too late.

The idiot Blade based his whole ludicrous moronic "argument" around laughing at the concept that the top players play better with other top players but it is absolute truth. I can't help but think what we could have got (and still could get) out of Ozil with another couple of top players around him. But given Dick's presumed limited resources and the need to fix the defence I don't think we will see those top players and thus I don't think we will see the best of Ozil.

[Sam.Harrison]

N/a

[DB10GOONER]

No way are we having another Ozil thread ffs. Use the existing one. It's all been said on there.