As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
The Beautiful Game wrote:With all due respect, this is a bitter and unnessersary rant against the progression of the Arsenal's kit.
I quite like the new kit, the white sleeve is evident. Its been slicked or stylised, thats all.
How dare you suggest Arsenal fans not buy the new Arsenal jersey, this is an income stream that is needed. I will buy one, to support Arsenal, financially. Its the only thing I can do.
I have come to notice a negative, bitter and disrespectful tone in recent articles on this website. Stop complaining.
No I won't. I have a right to complain about something I don't like or agree with. Whether the shirt looks nice or not is not the issue. (Personally I don't like the shirts with the massive advert on them).
The issue is that it does not represent the proper design of an Arsenal shirt. If I want to appeal to people not to buy it, I shall.
Oh boo-hoo, the Arsenal sleeves are not completely white...if you haven't noticed, the Arsenal kit has evolved over the years. Aren't you forgetting that it was originally all red? Then CHANGED in '34. I'm guessing when they changed to white sleeves they were just as much Arsenal as in '33.
1965-1967 Arsenal Kit ALL RED.
Its an Arsenal jersey, because it has the Arsenal badge on it, and the players wearing it are playing for Arsenal.
The new home kit?...sorry, without the white sleeves, it just feels wrong.
But as the Arsenal board like to sing before each meeting....
(to the tune of we're on are way)
We've a new kit,
We've a new kit,
Its got no white sleeves on our kit,
will fans like it? we don't know
Will they like it? we don't care
All we know is we will fleece them dry!
The Beautiful Game wrote:Oh boo-hoo, the Arsenal sleeves are not completely white...if you haven't noticed, the Arsenal kit has evolved over the years. Aren't you forgetting that it was originally all red? Then CHANGED in '34. I'm guessing when they changed to white sleeves they were just as much Arsenal as in '33.
You know The Beautiful Game, it is possible to get your point across without being so patronising
Anyway, I take your point about the all red shirts littered throughout our history, but for the majority of our history, Arsenal have had a red shirt, with white sleeves...and that would be my preference, but each to there own I suppose.
As the new kit is not acceptable, surely the next best thing is to buy one of the retro style shirts? At least they have white sleeves and don't have the name of an airline plastered over the front. And if you buy it from the club at least they'll get the money. As for people buying the kit whatever it looks like, there is an old saying that describes you; "A fool and his money are soon parted."
I think some people here need a reality check. Look at the sleeves, they are clearly predominantly white. The under side of the sleeves are now red, so thus breaking Arsenal traditions? So over the top it hurts.
As someone else has pointed out, if the sleeves had been totally red to resemble the northerners then I could understand this type of reaction but our shirt style has just been tweaked to make it different enough so people will buy it. Whether that is moral or not is a different arguement. (Quick point on the pictures a few threads up, one of the arsenal shirts has 3 black stripes down the white sleeve, whats the difference there? Black stripes were never part of our tradition.)
As I mentioned in a few other posts I really do like this shirt and will be buying it as soon as i'm back from my holiday in July. I am sure that most of the people here will grow to like this shirt just like in previous years and maybe end up buying it aswell
I think some people here need a reality check. Look at the sleeves, they are clearly predominantly white. The under side of the sleeves are now red, so thus breaking Arsenal traditions? So over the top it hurts.
As someone else has pointed out, if the sleeves had been totally red to resemble the northerners then I could understand this type of reaction but our shirt style has just been tweaked to make it different enough so people will buy it. Whether that is moral or not is a different arguement. (Quick point on the pictures a few threads up, one of the arsenal shirts has 3 black stripes down the white sleeve, whats the difference there? Black stripes were never part of our tradition.)
As I mentioned in a few other posts I really do like this shirt and will be buying it as soon as i'm back from my holiday in July. I am sure that most of the people here will grow to like this shirt just like in previous years and maybe end up buying it aswell
I take your point Rocky, and maybe some are going a little overboard about it...
However, it really isn't for me, and I won't be buying it, however countless others will...so no doubt the club, and Nike, will be patting themselves on the back for a job well done
Personally, I think if they take that shirt, and colour the white stripes down the side, red...and make the sleeves all white...then you've got yourself a quality, and traditional looking, shirt that the fans would love, and they would sell like hot cakes
The Beautiful Game wrote:With all due respect, this is a bitter and unnessersary rant against the progression of the Arsenal's kit.
I quite like the new kit, the white sleeve is evident. Its been slicked or stylised, thats all.
How dare you suggest Arsenal fans not buy the new Arsenal jersey, this is an income stream that is needed. I will buy one, to support Arsenal, financially. Its the only thing I can do.
I have come to notice a negative, bitter and disrespectful tone in recent articles on this website. Stop complaining.
Calm down, it's only not buying a kit, no-one is encouraging anyone not to go to Arsenal matches
Anyway, I see no point in protesting as it will make no difference Why would Nike and Arsenal give a shit about us? As far the Far East market sells, they'll be happy
I know it wasn't a tradition as such of having British players, but the point remains. We sold away a part of our soul when it was no longer local lads who were representing the team. I'm not complaining about that, it was necessary for the improvement of our team. Likewise in a modern era driven so much by money, each new kits brings in a substantial amount of revenue towards the signings and wages which fans keep demanding. Their philosophy is simple and effective, change the kit a bit each year so people buy it. This year they've altered a part of the sleeves (but the sleeves ARE still largely white anyway) and there's so much fuss about it going against tradition. As has been pointed out by myself and others, having white sleeves at all was the same break in tradition which people have come to accept now- and even so this kit will only be there for ONE year. Then they'll change the style again and probably have more white on the sleeves.
In fact considering how much people have cited that our club has more class than clubs like Chelsea, it surprises me that no one has ever even bothered to mention that our main sponsor and the name of our stadium is Fly Emirates- or just Emirates.
Aren't people bothered that our club are happily advertising traveling to a country which:
'The government restricts freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the media avoids directly criticizing the government and censors its own news stories. Freedom of association, and freedom of religion are also curtailed. The trafficking of children for camel jockeys continues despite government pledges to end these practices.
The UAE has not signed most international human rights and labor rights treaties, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families, and the Convention against Torture.'
Then the other big sponsor, Nike are no better.
The contractual useage of factories which have employed children without regulation, people working below minimum wage at overtime against their wishes. Appalling environmental damage and pollution the list is endless.
People are complaining that the sleeves have not quite enough white on it and are suggesting protests but either don't care or haven't bothered to check out the very names with which we have such a close relationship. The priorities are completely wrong.
The thing for me is if I saw that shirt for the first time and it did not have the Arsenal crest, I wouldn't immediately think it is an Arsenal shirt, I'd say Charlton or Boro.
It annoys me that it's such a simple design; red shirt, white collar, white sleeves that you couldn't possibly fuck it up unless you really tried.
In these days of "brand strengthening" you need to maintain the identity of The Arsenal and that identity should always be; red shirt, white collar, white sleeves & yellow shirt with blue sleeves.
meatflowers wrote:In fact considering how much people have cited that our club has more class than clubs like Chelsea, it surprises me that no one has ever even bothered to mention that our main sponsor and the name of our stadium is Fly Emirates- or just Emirates.
Aren't people bothered that our club are happily advertising traveling to a country which:
'The government restricts freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the media avoids directly criticizing the government and censors its own news stories. Freedom of association, and freedom of religion are also curtailed. The trafficking of children for camel jockeys continues despite government pledges to end these practices.
The UAE has not signed most international human rights and labor rights treaties, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families, and the Convention against Torture.'
Then the other big sponsor, Nike are no better.
The contractual useage of factories which have employed children without regulation, people working below minimum wage at overtime against their wishes. Appalling environmental damage and pollution the list is endless.
People are complaining that the sleeves have not quite enough white on it and are suggesting protests but either don't care or haven't bothered to check out the very names with which we have such a close relationship. The priorities are completely wrong.
I am not happy with advertising Emirates, which is why I have not bought a single item of clothing from Arsenal with the Emirates word or logo on.
To be honest, unless your nipper wants it desperately, there's no need to buy any of this Nike/Emirates nonsense...stick with the 70's top; that's The Arsenal, corporate free.
