ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[augie]

I feel sorry for Tierney but given that latest news we'd have to be mad to sign him.

If Dick could convince Kolasinac that every right winger is a car-jacker and that he (Kolasinac) might spontaneously self combust if he crosses the half way line then I'd maybe stick with him (christ, can't believe I just said that ) and go spend any money on a CB instead, preferably one that isn't injured...doesn't have a broken back....you know, that kind of thing.

100% I would still sign him - again we will NEVER get a full back of his quality for £25m ever again, and yes it is a big blow (if true) that he wont be available in the short-term, but we have 1 or 2 players that can cover for that period until he is ready to assume the job.
Please, please Dick and raul get this deal done asap

He is a good player of that there is no doubt but I must admit I wasn't aware of how bad his injury history is

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kieran- ... ler/300716

And then we have the current problem which could run anywhere from 3 - 8 weeks apparently. That begins to tell a story.

I'm not sure what kind of a guarantee a top doc could give for his furure fitness but I would definitely be thinking twice about Tierney now however much I want rid of Kolasinac.

If you look at that list objectively though. you will see that the 5 most reason injuries listed are all as a result of the hip injury which he had surgery this summer to fix. Of his other 3 injuries, one was from a "knock" (what player doesn't get knocks, and one was a ruptured ligament and that is a freak injury that can happen to any player.
The point I am making is that our previous sick note players had a list of ongoing muscle injuries which Tierney doesn't seem to have - the hope is that the hip surgery fixes that problem, and all of a sudden his injury stats look absolutely normal

[mcdowell42]

Raul Sanllehi set to meet with Barcelona officials tomorrow. Arsenal want to take Samuel Umtiti on a season long loan with an option to buy for €60million next season. #AFC

[augie]

Breaking: SPORT are reporting that #Barcelona are considering accepting an offer from a #PremierLeague club for Coutinho. It is a loan with an option to buy. Sources indicate the club is #Arsenal. https://t.co/ViYHnVS2F1

Can't quite get my head around this one.

Reports from Spain quoting £110M to buy him or £27M for a loan deal.........wonder if Raul has something on the Barca president

I'm wondering if the barca president has something on raul - signing him, or even making enquires about signing him, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and yet I am afraid to dismiss the possibility of it happening
The one proviso I will add though, is it does make me wonder if the threat of selling auba is still alive - no room for other attackers unless we sell

[GoonerMuzz]

I have serious reservations about Tierney after these revelations, how many players have we had season in and out who were on the sick list, some of them great players but their lack at crucial times due to injury had direct impact on team performance. my brother in law and nephew are died in the wool Celtic fans but even they say his injuries are frustrating as hell and seem to happen during pressure times.

At only 22 and with decent cover he might be worth the punt but do we want to take the chance on a potential Diaby or spend the cash elsewhere?

Addressing other reports it's quite worrying that we seem to be concentrating on attacking options still, maybe as 'only' a fan I'm missing something but I reiterate our goals conceded last season, city and the victims scored many more goals last season admittedly but they conceded considerably less too, I'm not sure even the most partisan fan couldn't admit their defences are better than ours

[Jock Gooner]

I feel sorry for Tierney but given that latest news we'd have to be mad to sign him.

If Dick could convince Kolasinac that every right winger is a car-jacker and that he (Kolasinac) might spontaneously self combust if he crosses the half way line then I'd maybe stick with him (christ, can't believe I just said that ) and go spend any money on a CB instead, preferably one that isn't injured...doesn't have a broken back....you know, that kind of thing.

100% I would still sign him - again we will NEVER get a full back of his quality for £25m ever again, and yes it is a big blow (if true) that he wont be available in the short-term, but we have 1 or 2 players that can cover for that period until he is ready to assume the job.
Please, please Dick and raul get this deal done asap

He is a good player of that there is no doubt but I must admit I wasn't aware of how bad his injury history is

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kieran- ... ler/300716

And then we have the current problem which could run anywhere from 3 - 8 weeks apparently. That begins to tell a story.

I'm not sure what kind of a guarantee a top doc could give for his furure fitness but I would definitely be thinking twice about Tierney now however much I want rid of Kolasinac.

If you look at that list objectively though. you will see that the 5 most reason injuries listed are all as a result of the hip injury which he had surgery this summer to fix. Of his other 3 injuries, one was from a "knock" (what player doesn't get knocks, and one was a ruptured ligament and that is a freak injury that can happen to any player.
The point I am making is that our previous sick note players had a list of ongoing muscle injuries which Tierney doesn't seem to have - the hope is that the hip surgery fixes that problem, and all of a sudden his injury stats look absolutely normal

I'm not overly concerned by knocks and other day to day stuff but the hip injury / double hernia op after the season ended in May demonstrates an issue in that part of the body and now we learn that he is suffering Osteitis pubis. That doesn't just go away and is aggravated by the act of running and/or kicking. When it flares up it basically requires a period of rest which can be in the region of 3 months.

It's not necessarily an out and out no go, but it will require some serious medical assessment as to whether he is a long term safe bet as we would look stupid beyond belief to get another one like this wrong.

[augie]

I have serious reservations about Tierney after these revelations, how many players have we had season in and out who were on the sick list, some of them great players but their lack at crucial times due to injury had direct impact on team performance. my brother in law and nephew are died in the wool Celtic fans but even they say his injuries are frustrating as hell and seem to happen during pressure times.

At only 22 and with decent cover he might be worth the punt but do we want to take the chance on a potential Diaby or spend the cash elsewhere?

Addressing other reports it's still quite worrying that we seem to be concentrating on attacking options still, maybe as 'only' a fan I'm missing something but I reiterate our goals conceded last season, city and the victims scored many more goals last season admittedly but they conceded considerably less too, I'm not sure even the most partisan fan couldn't admit their defences are better than ours

Where ? On who ? We have spent most of the transfer window fcuking about on this Tierney deal, so running around now at the 11th hour for an alternative worries the shit out of me, and make no mistake we need a left full.
Re Tierney, again I point to the fact that 4 out of the 7 injuries listed have occurred in the last 9 months and are all related to the one problem. He has been playing senior football for almost 5 seasons now, so taking away the last 9 months and his injury record will stand up to anyone's.
My take on his injuries are this ………. if he takes a medical and his hip concerns are cleared up, then we have nothing to worry about imo

[augie]

I feel sorry for Tierney but given that latest news we'd have to be mad to sign him.

If Dick could convince Kolasinac that every right winger is a car-jacker and that he (Kolasinac) might spontaneously self combust if he crosses the half way line then I'd maybe stick with him (christ, can't believe I just said that ) and go spend any money on a CB instead, preferably one that isn't injured...doesn't have a broken back....you know, that kind of thing.

100% I would still sign him - again we will NEVER get a full back of his quality for £25m ever again, and yes it is a big blow (if true) that he wont be available in the short-term, but we have 1 or 2 players that can cover for that period until he is ready to assume the job.
Please, please Dick and raul get this deal done asap

He is a good player of that there is no doubt but I must admit I wasn't aware of how bad his injury history is

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kieran- ... ler/300716

And then we have the current problem which could run anywhere from 3 - 8 weeks apparently. That begins to tell a story.

I'm not sure what kind of a guarantee a top doc could give for his furure fitness but I would definitely be thinking twice about Tierney now however much I want rid of Kolasinac.

If you look at that list objectively though. you will see that the 5 most reason injuries listed are all as a result of the hip injury which he had surgery this summer to fix. Of his other 3 injuries, one was from a "knock" (what player doesn't get knocks, and one was a ruptured ligament and that is a freak injury that can happen to any player.
The point I am making is that our previous sick note players had a list of ongoing muscle injuries which Tierney doesn't seem to have - the hope is that the hip surgery fixes that problem, and all of a sudden his injury stats look absolutely normal

I'm not overly concerned by knocks and other day to day stuff but the hip injury / double hernia op after the season ended in May demonstrates an issue in that part of the body and now we learn that he is suffering Osteitis pubis. That doesn't just go away and is aggravated by the act of running and/or kicking. When it flares up it basically requires a period of rest which can be in the region of 3 months.

It's not necessarily an out and out no go, but it will require some serious medical assessment as to whether he is a long term safe bet as we would look stupid beyond belief to get another one like this wrong.

Is that some sort of STD ?

Again, if we do the medical and he doesnt pass it then no way should we proceed, but we absolutely should be pushing it to that point now as a matter of urgency - if he then fails it will allow us a few days to identify a replacement, so fcuking about now is not an option

[Jock Gooner]

100% I would still sign him - again we will NEVER get a full back of his quality for £25m ever again, and yes it is a big blow (if true) that he wont be available in the short-term, but we have 1 or 2 players that can cover for that period until he is ready to assume the job.
Please, please Dick and raul get this deal done asap

He is a good player of that there is no doubt but I must admit I wasn't aware of how bad his injury history is

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kieran- ... ler/300716

And then we have the current problem which could run anywhere from 3 - 8 weeks apparently. That begins to tell a story.

I'm not sure what kind of a guarantee a top doc could give for his furure fitness but I would definitely be thinking twice about Tierney now however much I want rid of Kolasinac.

If you look at that list objectively though. you will see that the 5 most reason injuries listed are all as a result of the hip injury which he had surgery this summer to fix. Of his other 3 injuries, one was from a "knock" (what player doesn't get knocks, and one was a ruptured ligament and that is a freak injury that can happen to any player.
The point I am making is that our previous sick note players had a list of ongoing muscle injuries which Tierney doesn't seem to have - the hope is that the hip surgery fixes that problem, and all of a sudden his injury stats look absolutely normal

I'm not overly concerned by knocks and other day to day stuff but the hip injury / double hernia op after the season ended in May demonstrates an issue in that part of the body and now we learn that he is suffering Osteitis pubis. That doesn't just go away and is aggravated by the act of running and/or kicking. When it flares up it basically requires a period of rest which can be in the region of 3 months.

It's not necessarily an out and out no go, but it will require some serious medical assessment as to whether he is a long term safe bet as we would look stupid beyond belief to get another one like this wrong.

Is that some sort of STD ?

Again, if we do the medical and he doesnt pass it then no way should we proceed, but we absolutely should be pushing it to that point now as a matter of urgency - if he then fails it will allow us a few days to identify a replacement, so fcuking about now is not an option

I bet he wishes it is was just an STD

The unfortunate thing about Tierney is that he has spent 301 days injured since November 2016 and that is not counting the current 'STD' which could well take him close to a total of one year out injured over a three year period. That's a hell of a high percentage of time not playing.

It will be a bloody shame if he isn't fit enough to move here and I can't help but think that our intrepid transfer negotiations team will be reducing our offer as things stand. I can't think of anyone else that is a realistic LB signing at this late stage which is a worry.

[GoonerMuzz]

So in your opinion Augie we shouldnt look for anyone else?

What if he does pass a medical, that doesnt mean shit, it merely means at the time of the medical the doctors did not see the issue as being problematic, we've seen that before but that doesnt mean it couldn't become problematic.

If he fails a medical then we're nowhere if we dont look now and going into the new season with Nacho and Sead doesnt inspire confidence

On the other hand it is interesting how these rumours have come out now though, when Lennon is feeling pressure to keep one of his better players

[augie]

So in your opinion Augie we shouldnt look for anyone else?

What if he does pass a medical, that doesnt mean shit, it merely means at the time of the medical the doctors did not see the issue as being problematic, we've seen that before but that doesnt mean it couldn't become problematic.

If he fails a medical then we're nowhere if we dont look now and going into the new season with Nacho and Sead doesnt inspire confidence

On the other hand it is interesting how these rumours have come out now though, when Lennon is feeling pressure to keep one of his better players

Of course it means something - if a doctor is aware of a pre-existing injury he will surely pay close attention to that part, so if he still passes the player's medical, then that means he doesn't seem any long term concerns on that or any other injury, so how can that opinion be worthless ?? Your suggestion that it could become problematic is pointless cos that can apply to pepe, martinelli or any other signing we or any club make - all we can do is go on the opinion of the medically qualified person that does all of our medicals, and if he says that we have nothing to worry about with a player (whoever that player might be), then we have to go with that or sack the doctor if you dont trust him.

To answer your first question, I'm not saying that we shouldnt look elsewhere - what I am saying is that after spending weeks fcuking about on this deal, it seems to me that we are putting all of our eggs in this particular basket, as there has never been a suggestion that we have other options in mind. It would worry me if it is only now that we start to look for another option for left back, cos we would be taking a big risk with only 4 days due dilligence. I say this with 100% conviction, if Tierney does not pass a medical then we should not sign him under any circumstances, even for a reduced price (or a reduced initial price), but likewise we cannot just sign any c.unt instead.

Tbh I too am dubious about lennon's motives for going public with these claims - there is no way he will want to lose Tierney (and especially this late in the transfer window), so is he trying to talk us out of signing Tierney ?

[mcdowell42]

According to @Sport_Mediaset, #Arsenal will meet with Barcelona chiefs tomorrow in an attempt to negotiate a one-year-loan for Philippe Coutinho. The deal is complex but Arsenal are optimistic that they can agree a deal. https://t.co/eA4J57DebB

[Nos89]

Cannot see the point of coutinho, think its media bile. Barcelona using our name to get Liverpool to take him back as they probably still owe them money from the£120m.

Don't believe a word of what neil lennon says. I'd simply say okay if he's knackered give you £500k for him. Soon change his tune.

We're playing in Barcelona tomorrow so raul will obviously be going there.

Still think we're going to get two more players in, Tierney being one and another midfielder. Don't think a CB is top of the list.

[augie]

Cannot see the point of coutinho, think its media bile. Barcelona using our name to get Liverpool to take him back as they probably still owe them money from the£120m.

Don't believe a word of what neil lennon says. I'd simply say okay if he's knackered give you £500k for him. Soon change his tune.

We're playing in Barcelona tomorrow so raul will obviously be going there.

Still think we're going to get two more players in, Tierney being one and another midfielder. Don't think a CB is top of the list.

The more I thought about it last night, the more I questioned lennon's comments - he is being asked about Tierney constantly for the last few weeks, and it is only now that he mentioned an injury ?? He knows that he has a chance of killing this transfer if his words frighten off potential buyers, so that MIGHT be what he is doing. The problem I have always had with the transfer window system is that a selling club may not have time to use the funds to bring in replacement players if the deal is done late, and maybe that is what lennon is thinking here

Right now (today) raul or edu or whoever is in charge, needs to pick up the phone and get celtic to agree to a medical no later than first thing tomorrow morning - we could spend the next few days fcuking about with a payment agreement with celtic only to then find out on wednesday that he didnt pass a medical, and be left with 24 hours to sort a replacement deal out. It is us that needs to drive this thing forward now to the point that everyone knows where they stand going forward, cos we need a left full no matter what happens

[goonersid]

Tierney is beginning to look like a huge gamble which we aren’t in a position to take.
I’m sure the club were aware of his injury history when scouting him and maybe that’s why they’ve been reluctant to pay the smellies asking price.
I have a feeling this deal won’t happen, so we need to look elsewhere, shouldn’t be difficult to find an improvement on Kolasinic

[augie]

What I seen in pre-season has convinced me more not less that nketieh needs a loan deal to progress

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... e-nketiah/