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I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
And the irony is that SOME of the fans looking to give arteta time, are the same one's who said that we couldn't afford to give emery more time to sort things out
I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
Your right of course about Ozil, and Xaha was ok against Bournemouth...love the way he kept holding up his arm as if to direct the passing of teammates, no one took any notice was all done for the benefit of the new manager
Ozil the enigma will disappear again like he has done countless times before under close marking against any decent side...as for Xaha hopefully Berlin bound good riddance to that garbage
Time...we aint got no choice..we are at the lowest ebb i can remember, it wil be small steps to a recovery thats for sure...let see what shape we are in at the end of this season. Obvious worry being his lack of experience as a manager, seems a deep thinking guy, just praying he turns it around.
I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
Your right of course about Ozil, and Xaha was ok against Bournemouth...love the way he kept holding up his arm as if to direct the passing of teammates, no one took any notice was all done for the benefit of the new manager
Ozil the enigma will disappear again like he has done countless times before under close marking against any decent side...as for Xaha hopefully Berlin bound good riddance to that garbage
Time...we aint got no choice..we are at the lowest ebb i can remember, it wil be small steps to a recovery thats for sure...let see what shape we are in at the end of this season. Obvious worry being his lack of experience as a manager, seems a deep thinking guy, just praying he turns it around.
I understand when fans talk about this team being at a low ebb and low on confidence, but yesterday they were playing a team that had got 3pts out of possible 21pts from their last 7 games, so why is drawing with them viewed as a positive ? Why is no-one referencing Bournemouth as being low in confidence ?
I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
And the irony is that SOME of the fans looking to give arteta time, are the same one's who said that we couldn't afford to give emery more time to sort things out
More time for Emery? Fucking hell after 18 months he’d produced a team with zero identity who were soul destroying to watch and were in complete free fall. He had plenty of time to make his mark on the team but failed miserably.
I’d be all for people giving Arteta 18 months to prove himself but most seem intent on writing him off in less than 18 fucking days.
I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
And the irony is that SOME of the fans looking to give arteta time, are the same one's who said that we couldn't afford to give emery more time to sort things out
More time for Emery? Fucking hell after 18 months he’d produced a team with zero identity who were soul destroying to watch and were in complete free fall. He had plenty of time to make his mark on the team but failed miserably.
I’d be all for people giving Arteta 18 months to prove himself but most seem intent on writing him off in less than 18 fucking days.
That's not the point I was making - I was saying that many fans (me included) said that we couldn't afford to sit around for another 6 months with emery and piss this season away, but I am still saying that we cant afford to pish away the next 6 months, and arteta is making the same mistakes that emery was making (the same line-up and formations), so how does that entitle him to a free pass for 6 months ??
He gets a free pass because the season has already gone down the shitter. It’s not a fresh start where he’s had a pre season to instil his ideas and bring players in to shape the team as he’d like.
He’s walked in to an absolute fucking shit show, to a group of players so devoid of confidence that they were regularly getting the run around against relegation fodder every other week.
That’s not to say we can just limp dick our way to 10th this season either and all will be well, I expect to see gradual improvement as we head towards May but it will be gradual because this team needs picking up off the canvas.
Also pissing away six months with Emery is a completely different scenario than potentially doing it with Arteta (and as I said I don’t think that will happen). Giving Emery until May would have just seen more of us being terrified of the opposition every game, more of the same nothing football and zero progression.
Six months of Arteta will see progress I guarantee you that. I would expect that by May the football this team is paying will be unrecognised from the turgid shit we’ve been subjected to all season. While every Emery win turned in to a 1-0 or 2-1 slug fest where we were never comfortable I can see us dispatching teams with a bit of swagger in the next few months once he’s had time to bed his system in.
Maybe I’ve been through too much sherry but I’m going backing the man and do you know what? I reckon he’ll be a great fucking appointment.
Now can we all please give him time and not call for him to be sacked after a week!!
So basically 6 more months of Emery we knew exactly what we were getting (see above) whereas 6 months of Arteta we have no idea, although I’ve summarised above what I expect to see.
Don’t ask what I’m basing that on, things I’ve read and things I’ve seen for the most part, alcohol to an extent but at the very least isn’t it exciting?
We could have gone the bold way and chased Pochettino. Granted he might have declined and chose to wait for United to finally give Ole the sack. But we went the easy way and gave it to Arteta. Such a uninspiring choice, a figure who commands no respect or headway in the wider football community. A Wenger lite persona who will not address the deep rooted problems Wenger left us is. I would have preferred to keep Freddie, or even give Patrick Vieira a go.
I cant believe the state we are in. 10th at Christmas, negative goal difference. There are 15 clubs that have won more games than our 5 this season. PEA will leave, as rightly so he is good enough for Barcelona/Real Madrid. We are all over the shop & unless we sort it out we could end up being no better than Everton or Newcastle - place range expectations from 10th to 6th.
He gets a free pass because the season has already gone down the shitter. It’s not a fresh start where he’s had a pre season to instil his ideas and bring players in to shape the team as he’d like.
He’s walked in to an absolute fucking shit show, to a group of players so devoid of confidence that they were regularly getting the run around against relegation fodder every other week.
That’s not to say we can just limp dick our way to 10th this season either and all will be well, I expect to see gradual improvement as we head towards May but it will be gradual because this team needs picking up off the canvas.
Also pissing away six months with Emery is a completely different scenario than potentially doing it with Arteta (and as I said I don’t think that will happen). Giving Emery until May would have just seen more of us being terrified of the opposition every game, more of the same nothing football and zero progression.
Six months of Arteta will see progress I guarantee you that. I would expect that by May the football this team is paying will be unrecognised from the turgid shit we’ve been subjected to all season. While every Emery win turned in to a 1-0 or 2-1 slug fest where we were never comfortable I can see us dispatching teams with a bit of swagger in the next few months once he’s had time to bed his system in.
Maybe I’ve been through too much sherry but I’m going backing the man and do you know what? I reckon he’ll be a great fucking appointment.
Now can we all please give him time and not call for him to be sacked after a week!!
Arteta came in with bold proclaimations about how he would rule with an iron fist and that if players didn't work hard or didn't want to be here, then they would be out the door - I would say to you that already that statement has gone up in smoke -
1. You only want players who want to be here ? Why then, when xhaka tells you he wants out, do you (a) try and broker a deal to keep him until the summer and (b) restore him to the starting line up ? A player has told you to your face that he wants out, so why not play players who want to be here, if you are a man committed to your beliefs ?
2. You only want players who work hard ? How many years of evidence on ozil not working hard do you actually need ? How can you defend picking auba after the everton game cos his attitude was deplorable in that game ?
I'll tell you where my head is on these situations - when Freddie restored those 2 to the starting line-ups I accused him of bowing down to the senior voices in the dressing room, and this seems the same to me. Nobody asked arteta to come in with these real strong statements of intent, but once he makes them then he has to carry them through or he loses credibility to me - what kind of man is he if he doesn't stand up for what he believes in ? The one thing above all else that has pleased me in the last 18 months has been the apparent shift towards ridding the team of the older (poisonous) players in the dressing room, and going towards the younger players like we did in the early GG days - seeing us revert to players who have failed and let us down so many times in the last 3 years, does not instill confidence of progress in me, and if anything it says more of the same please
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I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
And the irony is that SOME of the fans looking to give arteta time, are the same one's who said that we couldn't afford to give emery more time to sort things out
More time for Emery? Fucking hell after 18 months he’d produced a team with zero identity who were soul destroying to watch and were in complete free fall. He had plenty of time to make his mark on the team but failed miserably.
I’d be all for people giving Arteta 18 months to prove himself but most seem intent on writing him off in less than 18 fucking days.
Agreed very clear Emery was way too weak...by the end he was a total mess with the kids taking the piss out of him...
I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
And the irony is that SOME of the fans looking to give arteta time, are the same one's who said that we couldn't afford to give emery more time to sort things out
More time for Emery? Fucking hell after 18 months he’d produced a team with zero identity who were soul destroying to watch and were in complete free fall. He had plenty of time to make his mark on the team but failed miserably.
I’d be all for people giving Arteta 18 months to prove himself but most seem intent on writing him off in less than 18 fucking days.
Its been one game FFS...this is ridiculous
That's not the point I was making - I was saying that many fans (me included) said that we couldn't afford to sit around for another 6 months with emery and piss this season away, but I am still saying that we cant afford to pish away the next 6 months, and arteta is making the same mistakes that emery was making (the same line-up and formations), so how does that entitle him to a free pass for 6 months ??
I love the way everyone talks like we just have so much time....try this, try that, all the time in the world to get things right. Can anyone even remember when we were down in the bottom half of the table.....not having momentarily slipped to 11th, but looking, with the games coming up, rooted there, and in real danger of slipping even lower.
And the only reason Ozil was OK against Bournemouth is because they insanely gave him as much space and time as he needed. Ramsey also always looked like a great player when there was no pressure and he had loads of time. Hell even Xhaka looked Ok'ish on Thursday in that pressure free midfield.
And the irony is that SOME of the fans looking to give arteta time, are the same one's who said that we couldn't afford to give emery more time to sort things out
More time for Emery? Fucking hell after 18 months he’d produced a team with zero identity who were soul destroying to watch and were in complete free fall. He had plenty of time to make his mark on the team but failed miserably.
I’d be all for people giving Arteta 18 months to prove himself but most seem intent on writing him off in less than 18 fucking days.
Its been one game FFS...this is ridiculous
That's not the point I was making - I was saying that many fans (me included) said that we couldn't afford to sit around for another 6 months with emery and piss this season away, but I am still saying that we cant afford to pish away the next 6 months, and arteta is making the same mistakes that emery was making (the same line-up and formations), so how does that entitle him to a free pass for 6 months ??
It wont be wasted, we will be looking for improvements, especially in attitude and organisation thats what we as fans are expecting to see, maybe a new arrival in the transfer window...players will be weeded out in time...would create mayhem otherwise
He will need this time, its a massive job....i have my doubts about him being successfull, but wish him every success, maybe just maybe he can do it
He gets a free pass because the season has already gone down the shitter. It’s not a fresh start where he’s had a pre season to instil his ideas and bring players in to shape the team as he’d like.
He’s walked in to an absolute fucking shit show, to a group of players so devoid of confidence that they were regularly getting the run around against relegation fodder every other week.
That’s not to say we can just limp dick our way to 10th this season either and all will be well, I expect to see gradual improvement as we head towards May but it will be gradual because this team needs picking up off the canvas.
Also pissing away six months with Emery is a completely different scenario than potentially doing it with Arteta (and as I said I don’t think that will happen). Giving Emery until May would have just seen more of us being terrified of the opposition every game, more of the same nothing football and zero progression.
Six months of Arteta will see progress I guarantee you that. I would expect that by May the football this team is paying will be unrecognised from the turgid shit we’ve been subjected to all season. While every Emery win turned in to a 1-0 or 2-1 slug fest where we were never comfortable I can see us dispatching teams with a bit of swagger in the next few months once he’s had time to bed his system in.
Maybe I’ve been through too much sherry but I’m going backing the man and do you know what? I reckon he’ll be a great fucking appointment.
Now can we all please give him time and not call for him to be sacked after a week!!
Good post old chap although I'm maybe not as positive as you about this potential new found swagger you anticipate
However, there were one or two positive signs against Bournemouth and hopefully we will continue to see these develop over the next few weeks. It's fuc.king sods law that we have the chavs and manure next which could go either way as both of them have been having their own ups and downs of late although not quite to the extent we have.
Arteta and the kids both need a bit of time to show what they can (or maybe can't do) and whether you like it or not that is where we are. I don't buy into all the bollox about not having time / relegation. Arteta wasn't my choice but he's got the job for the second half of the season - which is a goner now - so he will need all that time to start to rebuild the team and to try and get them playing his way.
He gets a free pass because the season has already gone down the shitter. It’s not a fresh start where he’s had a pre season to instil his ideas and bring players in to shape the team as he’d like.
He’s walked in to an absolute fucking shit show, to a group of players so devoid of confidence that they were regularly getting the run around against relegation fodder every other week.
That’s not to say we can just limp dick our way to 10th this season either and all will be well, I expect to see gradual improvement as we head towards May but it will be gradual because this team needs picking up off the canvas.
Also pissing away six months with Emery is a completely different scenario than potentially doing it with Arteta (and as I said I don’t think that will happen). Giving Emery until May would have just seen more of us being terrified of the opposition every game, more of the same nothing football and zero progression.
Six months of Arteta will see progress I guarantee you that. I would expect that by May the football this team is paying will be unrecognised from the turgid shit we’ve been subjected to all season. While every Emery win turned in to a 1-0 or 2-1 slug fest where we were never comfortable I can see us dispatching teams with a bit of swagger in the next few months once he’s had time to bed his system in.
Maybe I’ve been through too much sherry but I’m going backing the man and do you know what? I reckon he’ll be a great fucking appointment.
Now can we all please give him time and not call for him to be sacked after a week!!
Good post old chap although I'm maybe not as positive as you about this potential new found swagger you anticipate
However, there were one or two positive signs against Bournemouth and hopefully we will continue to see these develop over the next few weeks. It's fuc.king sods law that we have the chavs and manure next which could go either way as both of them have been having their own ups and downs of late although not quite to the extent we have.
Arteta and the kids both need a bit of time to show what they can (or maybe can't do) and whether you like it or not that is where we are. I don't buy into all the bollox about not having time / relegation. Arteta wasn't my choice but he's got the job for the second half of the season - which is a goner now - so he will need all that time to start to rebuild the team and to try and get them playing his way.
And if he was going that way he would have my backing, but the reality is that, when you restore xhaka and ozil to the team, it isn't a rebuild and is more of the same
He gets a free pass because the season has already gone down the shitter. It’s not a fresh start where he’s had a pre season to instil his ideas and bring players in to shape the team as he’d like.
He’s walked in to an absolute fucking shit show, to a group of players so devoid of confidence that they were regularly getting the run around against relegation fodder every other week.
That’s not to say we can just limp dick our way to 10th this season either and all will be well, I expect to see gradual improvement as we head towards May but it will be gradual because this team needs picking up off the canvas.
Also pissing away six months with Emery is a completely different scenario than potentially doing it with Arteta (and as I said I don’t think that will happen). Giving Emery until May would have just seen more of us being terrified of the opposition every game, more of the same nothing football and zero progression.
Six months of Arteta will see progress I guarantee you that. I would expect that by May the football this team is paying will be unrecognised from the turgid shit we’ve been subjected to all season. While every Emery win turned in to a 1-0 or 2-1 slug fest where we were never comfortable I can see us dispatching teams with a bit of swagger in the next few months once he’s had time to bed his system in.
Maybe I’ve been through too much sherry but I’m going backing the man and do you know what? I reckon he’ll be a great fucking appointment.
Now can we all please give him time and not call for him to be sacked after a week!!
Good post old chap although I'm maybe not as positive as you about this potential new found swagger you anticipate
However, there were one or two positive signs against Bournemouth and hopefully we will continue to see these develop over the next few weeks. It's fuc.king sods law that we have the chavs and manure next which could go either way as both of them have been having their own ups and downs of late although not quite to the extent we have.
Arteta and the kids both need a bit of time to show what they can (or maybe can't do) and whether you like it or not that is where we are. I don't buy into all the bollox about not having time / relegation. Arteta wasn't my choice but he's got the job for the second half of the season - which is a goner now - so he will need all that time to start to rebuild the team and to try and get them playing his way.
And if he was going that way he would have my backing, but the reality is that, when you restore xhaka and ozil to the team, it isn't a rebuild and is more of the same
He's been in the seat for 2 minutes, ffs give him a chance eh
I don't care enough about Ozil to worry about him anymore - if Arteta can get a tune out of him then so be it or if he buggers off to Turkey then that's fine too. Xhaka....hopefully behind the scenes they are looking for a replacement so they can flog him to Berlin. I'm sure Arteta is hoping to fu.ck him off but is paying lip service to him just in case it doesn't come off and we are lumbered with him till the summer. If we could get shot of El-niny too and scramble £30M together then that should do the job.
Whatever happens, Arteta has to be given a fair crack of the whip to see if his way is successful....if not then he gets the tin tack in the summer.
