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Hmmm..... apart from Bergkamp I've never really done the whole fanboy thing.
I think Ozil was a world class player when shit for brains signed him. I think TOF totally fucked up not building a team around his ability to create chances - in a similar way that he fucked up not building a team around the chav rat Fabregas at his peak. I think Ozil should never have been given the 350k a week contract. I think he can still deliver some quality in a team without quality. I also think he is way past his best and not worth half that 350k for what he delivers.
Like the chav rat Fabregas he has to go down as a missed opportunity and ultimately both their times with us have to be considered failures.
I think tonight's game has proven that even after the improvement of effort by ozil under arteta, he (ozil) has run his course in English football. Time for him to move on to Italy. No goals and 1 assist in last 13 games from our main playmaker is just not good enough. I think arteta will continue to use him unless cellabos decides he wants to stay rather than become a madrid legend?
Stats. Ffs look at those stats. Look at the number of games some of those players have played. Then throw in your other qualifiers and your quantifier. Are they in settled teams with other top class players? Are there more than one striker that can finish chances to turn them into assists? Have they changed manager and system 3 or 4 times? How is their midfield laid out - good DM to do the work, outlets on the wing to help progress play or is your number 10 left with no option but to try retain posession?
Ozil is not the player he was, he shouldn't be on anywhere near 350k a week and he is not consistent - but just fucking a list of raw stars into a discussion is lazy shit.
Did you know we once had a player in the shit later Wenger era with a 98% pass completion rate? Fucking amazing huh? Can you guess who that was?
The home game against the chavs and utd showed that for ozil to be effective we have to play a high pressing game at 100mph,both games he was sublime,chavs had to resort to hacking him down to contain him.sadly the team arent fit enough or good enough to play it week in week out so for the most ozil is a passenger which is what weve witnessed for most of artetas reign.like tony Adam's said ozil is the cherry on the cake but unfortunately we dont have a cake right now
Stats. Ffs look at those stats. Look at the number of games some of those players have played. Then throw in your other qualifiers and your quantifier. Are they in settled teams with other top class players? Are there more than one striker that can finish chances to turn them into assists? Have they changed manager and system 3 or 4 times? How is their midfield laid out - good DM to do the work, outlets on the wing to help progress play or is your number 10 left with no option but to try retain posession?
Ozil is not the player he was, he shouldn't be on anywhere near 350k a week and he is not consistent - but just fucking a list of raw stars into a discussion is lazy shit.
Did you know we once had a player in the shit later Wenger era with a 98% pass completion rate? Fucking amazing huh? Can you guess who that was?
Denilson?
Whatever way you want to look at it he's fucking 103rd in the league for goals and assists combined after two years. He's far too talented a player to be this piss poor in terms of production as the number 10 regardless of the state of the team over two years.
Stats. Ffs look at those stats. Look at the number of games some of those players have played. Then throw in your other qualifiers and your quantifier. Are they in settled teams with other top class players? Are there more than one striker that can finish chances to turn them into assists? Have they changed manager and system 3 or 4 times? How is their midfield laid out - good DM to do the work, outlets on the wing to help progress play or is your number 10 left with no option but to try retain posession?
Ozil is not the player he was, he shouldn't be on anywhere near 350k a week and he is not consistent - but just fucking a list of raw stars into a discussion is lazy shit.
Did you know we once had a player in the shit later Wenger era with a 98% pass completion rate? Fucking amazing huh? Can you guess who that was?
Denilson?
Whatever way you want to look at it he's fucking 103rd in the league for goals and assists combined after two years. He's far too talented a player to be this piss poor in terms of production as the number 10 regardless of the state of the team over two years.
Yep Legohead Denilson. One of the worst players to ever wear our jersey. But still 98% pass completion..... until you look at and qualify those passes completed stats.
Unqualified stats say whatever the person putting them forward wants them to say. Can't disagree we are not getting near enough return from Ozil though. Especially considering the insane money we pay him.
The home game against the chavs and utd showed that for ozil to be effective we have to play a high pressing game at 100mph,both games he was sublime,chavs had to resort to hacking him down to contain him.sadly the team arent fit enough or good enough to play it week in week out so for the most ozil is a passenger which is what weve witnessed for most of artetas reign.like tony Adam's said ozil is the cherry on the cake but unfortunately we dont have a cake right now
Agreed 100%. He's the ultimate luxury player and as such is limited in his effectiveness unless everything is just right for him. The cake analogy is quite accurate.