CoronaVirus / Adolf Putin / The Apocalypse etc

[nut flush gooner]

Hello Peeps!

Thank-You for your concern and kind comments, it IS appreciated.

Yes, I am okay...Got tested last Saturday and I am now waiting for the result/s. I feel okay - Just feel like I have had the flu - But must admit this felt worse...than the man flu I've had before... Bonus: (The nurse (female!) was very sexy in her mask and gloves! )

I would have posted sooner but my Router Died... I know any other time and I could just order replacement but trying to get through to the provider is impossible, so I am send this on my phone, which I have never used to do 'internet' stuff before, only ever used it for Calls/Texts and Photo's oh! and Music!.

Sincerely: I hope you are all well and SAFE.


One things is for certain Mike dean is a still a C.U.N.T

Best post of the week. You can use a smartphone as a mobile hot spot if you have a decent amount of data on your mobile contract, select the tethering option.

[nut flush gooner]

I've been having a look at the weekly ONS provisional death figures for England and Wales as I though it strange that the March 2020 weekly figures weren't really out of sync with the average figures for the previous 5 years. The ONS data I saw had the first quarter average for the previous 5 years showing at about 152k not 132k (you got a link for your figure please) It's only in the weeks 3/4/20 and 10/4/20 that records show that the virus deaths have started to outstrip the average figures. The deaths by age bracket stats really highlight how bad the oldies have got it at the moment.

My error, apparantly I can't use a calculator at 2am as well as I used to. Putting a formula on the downloaded spreadsheet the figures showed something I wasn't expecting. For the weekending 27 March there were 150K deaths, compared to a 5 year average of £153K for the equivalent period. It has spiked considerable in April's figure. Although, there is a pandemic no more than average number of people have died than usual. This being the reason behind me wanting to look at the figures.
Obviously, I'm not belittling or dismissing covid-19 as a serious threat to people's health. Those that are at serious risk should take precautions but is it necessary for everyone to be lockdowned? especially schools where there has been no evidence to suggest it has made a difference to reducing the spread.
I'm a key worker, for me, it is business as usual. I've interviewed and recruited over 50 people in last 6 weeks. I wasn't allowed to interview over the phone, I had to bring individuals into the building at the insistance of my boss. I didn't feel comfortable doing that but i didn't have much choice. Which makes me question the seriousness of the whole situation?

governments don’t just shutdown countries with the huge financial implications that will have consequences for years without good reason -,still think they is lots that we are not being told about this, not just the figures of who has died.

That's just it. They haven't completely shut down the country. Supermarkets are still open. Businesses that have built up a strong online presence are still operational. Banks and professional services are still operational. Everyone is allowed to go out at least once a day, if not more and for longer than 1 hour. Essential services are still operational.
The borders are still open. Yes, tourism has been reduced and the environmental impact has been benficial.
The hospitalty sector has been hit massively by the lockdown measures, as has engineering. Maybe it is the part of the world I work in, but, I've never interviewed so many people with engineering qualifications to work in a supermarket.

Yes trying to do maths at 2am isn't something for me either I had visions of two sets of ONS figures on the go and was gearing up for a big conspiracy theory push. I agree that those at risk should be protected and should be in isolation but the rest of us need to be working. They have had the opportunity to increase bed capacity and ventillators have been procurred so time to start thinking about the way forward.

I don't think they ever really wanted to shut the country down to the extent of some of our European neighbours. The ONS figures show that this virus is absolutely nailing the elderly, those with an underlying condition (usually the elderly again) and the obese. Ethnic minorities are also taking a disproportionate hit which was obvious a couple of weeks ago when they put up the picture of the NHS staff who had died but which our esteemed press have only just cottoned onto

From the moment Imperial College said possibly 250k dead this has always been about making sure that the current government didn't go down in history as overseeing the deaths of that many people. Second to that was ensuring that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed, so the Protect the NHS Save Lives line was born because people would buy into that. What I can't reconcile is why the government listens to Imperial on modelling and apparently discounts the Oxford and Cambridge theories that the virus was here much earlier than the govt seems to want to think YET when it comes to developing a vaccine there are high expectations of Oxford or Cambridge coming up with something while I have seen no mention of Imperial on that subject.

This is now all about sitting back and watching what happens to the countries that are beginning to open up in the hope of learning lessons to help us avoid any adverse issues they may encounter. There has been a marked increase in road traffic over the last few days and a mate who has to go in to work via the M25 said that there is still a considerable amount of traffic using it. I think the public will go with the duration of the current lockdown but after that there will be increased discontent.

I retired a couple of years ago from a 'key worker' occupation and took up a little part time job in a supermarket for something to do and I'm suddenly a key worker again by default WTF is that all about

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

[shu]

Hello Peeps!

Thank-You for your concern and kind comments, it IS appreciated.

Yes, I am okay...Got tested last Saturday and I am now waiting for the result/s. I feel okay - Just feel like I have had the flu - But must admit this felt worse...than the man flu I've had before... Bonus: (The nurse (female!) was very sexy in her mask and gloves! )

I would have posted sooner but my Router Died... I know any other time and I could just order replacement but trying to get through to the provider is impossible, so I am send this on my phone, which I have never used to do 'internet' stuff before, only ever used it for Calls/Texts and Photo's oh! and Music!.

Sincerely: I hope you are all well and SAFE.


One things is for certain Mike dean is a still a C.U.N.T

I refuse to believe that you have never watched porn on your phone

I second that opinion but good to hear from you

[StuartL]

In other news the orange gimp Trumpwit has forced the US health authorities to publicly tell idiots not to take his advice that ingesting or injecting disinfectant might protect said idiots from COVID19.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

I do believe Trump should lead by example on this.

He’s been drinking cedar wood fence paint for the last 10 years you know

[Jock Gooner]

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

I don't think they have a clue about when it's coming back or if its going to go away at all and it's pretty obvious with it being a new thing that they haven't got a clue about many things. We all know how easily it is transmitted so unless you get the number of cases down to zero - virtually impossible - there is always the potential for it to kick off again.

Your CNN story is interesting and sums up one thing for me which is I am convinced we are going to find out that this virus has been through a major part of our population. Not only way above the "official" hospital figure but also above the other conservative figures that have been put out. German scientists estimated that our detection rate was about 1.2% of confirmed cases but when you look at the transmission rate as per your CNN story coupled with the fact that many people experienced 'the symptoms' way before the govt woke up to its existence then the truth could be a whole different story.

As you point out the crowds for Cheltenham and Atletico were a big mistake and exacerbated by the fact that flights continued to operate with unchecked access permitted to the UK for all. How on earth some of the scientific journals can refute the Oxford claim that half the population could well have been infected I just don't know. They point at the hospitalisation rate as the evidence for their position which is fair but so much of this is based on assumption and modelling of viruses we know about where this thing is still largely an unknown. If they have got the hospitalisation rates wrong then the numbers are all going to be out of sync. Funnily enough the brains announced yesterday that initial antibody test results were pointing to a higher percentage of infection than they initially thought.

As for swab testing - great if you happen to have symptoms right now at this very minute but sod all use if you suspect you have had it and require an antibody test instead. The calls from medics and scientists alike for the SAGE data and minutes to be made public have fallen on deaf ears which in an age of transparency and cooperation is a bit suspicious if there is nothing to hide.

[nut flush gooner]

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

I don't think they have a clue about when it's coming back or if its going to go away at all and it's pretty obvious with it being a new thing that they haven't got a clue about many things. We all know how easily it is transmitted so unless you get the number of cases down to zero - virtually impossible - there is always the potential for it to kick off again.

Your CNN story is interesting and sums up one thing for me which is I am convinced we are going to find out that this virus has been through a major part of our population. Not only way above the "official" hospital figure but also above the other conservative figures that have been put out. German scientists estimated that our detection rate was about 1.2% of confirmed cases but when you look at the transmission rate as per your CNN story coupled with the fact that many people experienced 'the symptoms' way before the govt woke up to its existence then the truth could be a whole different story.

As you point out the crowds for Cheltenham and Atletico were a big mistake and exacerbated by the fact that flights continued to operate with unchecked access permitted to the UK for all. How on earth some of the scientific journals can refute the Oxford claim that half the population could well have been infected I just don't know. They point at the hospitalisation rate as the evidence for their position which is fair but so much of this is based on assumption and modelling of viruses we know about where this thing is still largely an unknown. If they have got the hospitalisation rates wrong then the numbers are all going to be out of sync. Funnily enough the brains announced yesterday that initial antibody test results were pointing to a higher percentage of infection than they initially thought.

As for swab testing - great if you happen to have symptoms right now at this very minute but sod all use if you suspect you have had it and require an antibody test instead. The calls from medics and scientists alike for the SAGE data and minutes to be made public have fallen on deaf ears which in an age of transparency and cooperation is a bit suspicious if there is nothing to hide.

I'm actually more interested in contact tracing, we've gone weeks past the stage where testing would have been effective. The antibody tests have largely been found to be duff so far and useless. So until we get to the stage where antivirals are effective at mitigating the effects of the virus I recogn as long as people are willing to share their symptomatic details on an app, then there is some hope that the first wave is the biggest one. It's worked in South Korea.

The second wave is expected based on scientific observation, plus we are just over 100 years from when the Spanish Flu hit. That was played out over a few years, before global travel was the norm. I can see it coming back, I would love to be wrong. I am also talking to my season ticket buddy about missing next seasons games until a vaccine is found. I wonder what Arsenals stance will be, will they allow one season out.

[augie]

My error, apparantly I can't use a calculator at 2am as well as I used to. Putting a formula on the downloaded spreadsheet the figures showed something I wasn't expecting. For the weekending 27 March there were 150K deaths, compared to a 5 year average of £153K for the equivalent period. It has spiked considerable in April's figure. Although, there is a pandemic no more than average number of people have died than usual. This being the reason behind me wanting to look at the figures.
Obviously, I'm not belittling or dismissing covid-19 as a serious threat to people's health. Those that are at serious risk should take precautions but is it necessary for everyone to be lockdowned? especially schools where there has been no evidence to suggest it has made a difference to reducing the spread.
I'm a key worker, for me, it is business as usual. I've interviewed and recruited over 50 people in last 6 weeks. I wasn't allowed to interview over the phone, I had to bring individuals into the building at the insistance of my boss. I didn't feel comfortable doing that but i didn't have much choice. Which makes me question the seriousness of the whole situation?

governments don’t just shutdown countries with the huge financial implications that will have consequences for years without good reason -,still think they is lots that we are not being told about this, not just the figures of who has died.

That's just it. They haven't completely shut down the country. Supermarkets are still open. Businesses that have built up a strong online presence are still operational. Banks and professional services are still operational. Everyone is allowed to go out at least once a day, if not more and for longer than 1 hour. Essential services are still operational.
The borders are still open. Yes, tourism has been reduced and the environmental impact has been benficial.
The hospitalty sector has been hit massively by the lockdown measures, as has engineering. Maybe it is the part of the world I work in, but, I've never interviewed so many people with engineering qualifications to work in a supermarket.

Yes trying to do maths at 2am isn't something for me either I had visions of two sets of ONS figures on the go and was gearing up for a big conspiracy theory push. I agree that those at risk should be protected and should be in isolation but the rest of us need to be working. They have had the opportunity to increase bed capacity and ventillators have been procurred so time to start thinking about the way forward.

I don't think they ever really wanted to shut the country down to the extent of some of our European neighbours. The ONS figures show that this virus is absolutely nailing the elderly, those with an underlying condition (usually the elderly again) and the obese. Ethnic minorities are also taking a disproportionate hit which was obvious a couple of weeks ago when they put up the picture of the NHS staff who had died but which our esteemed press have only just cottoned onto

From the moment Imperial College said possibly 250k dead this has always been about making sure that the current government didn't go down in history as overseeing the deaths of that many people. Second to that was ensuring that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed, so the Protect the NHS Save Lives line was born because people would buy into that. What I can't reconcile is why the government listens to Imperial on modelling and apparently discounts the Oxford and Cambridge theories that the virus was here much earlier than the govt seems to want to think YET when it comes to developing a vaccine there are high expectations of Oxford or Cambridge coming up with something while I have seen no mention of Imperial on that subject.

This is now all about sitting back and watching what happens to the countries that are beginning to open up in the hope of learning lessons to help us avoid any adverse issues they may encounter. There has been a marked increase in road traffic over the last few days and a mate who has to go in to work via the M25 said that there is still a considerable amount of traffic using it. I think the public will go with the duration of the current lockdown but after that there will be increased discontent.

I retired a couple of years ago from a 'key worker' occupation and took up a little part time job in a supermarket for something to do and I'm suddenly a key worker again by default WTF is that all about

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

I wish to fcuk that people (both over here and elsewhere) would stop lauding the Irish government as a shining light for the correct way to react to the virus - as I said previously, earlier this week we allowed 200+ Bulgarians into our country to be fruit pickers, and despite widespread condemnation by all and sundry, our government STILL are refusing point blank to close airports for passenger flights or the docks for passenger ferries If an island (like ours) closes it borders 6 weeks ago, AND enforces social distancing etc, then by now we would almost be clear of it, and then the health minister has the cheek to threaten us with extending the lockdown cos we are getting complacent ?? People are not getting complacent, they are getting fed up, and if those government c.unts done the responsible thing when they should have, then we would have a country and economy getting back on it's feet by now

[Jock Gooner]

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

I don't think they have a clue about when it's coming back or if its going to go away at all and it's pretty obvious with it being a new thing that they haven't got a clue about many things. We all know how easily it is transmitted so unless you get the number of cases down to zero - virtually impossible - there is always the potential for it to kick off again.

Your CNN story is interesting and sums up one thing for me which is I am convinced we are going to find out that this virus has been through a major part of our population. Not only way above the "official" hospital figure but also above the other conservative figures that have been put out. German scientists estimated that our detection rate was about 1.2% of confirmed cases but when you look at the transmission rate as per your CNN story coupled with the fact that many people experienced 'the symptoms' way before the govt woke up to its existence then the truth could be a whole different story.

As you point out the crowds for Cheltenham and Atletico were a big mistake and exacerbated by the fact that flights continued to operate with unchecked access permitted to the UK for all. How on earth some of the scientific journals can refute the Oxford claim that half the population could well have been infected I just don't know. They point at the hospitalisation rate as the evidence for their position which is fair but so much of this is based on assumption and modelling of viruses we know about where this thing is still largely an unknown. If they have got the hospitalisation rates wrong then the numbers are all going to be out of sync. Funnily enough the brains announced yesterday that initial antibody test results were pointing to a higher percentage of infection than they initially thought.

As for swab testing - great if you happen to have symptoms right now at this very minute but sod all use if you suspect you have had it and require an antibody test instead. The calls from medics and scientists alike for the SAGE data and minutes to be made public have fallen on deaf ears which in an age of transparency and cooperation is a bit suspicious if there is nothing to hide.

I'm actually more interested in contact tracing, we've gone weeks past the stage where testing would have been effective. The antibody tests have largely been found to be duff so far and useless. So until we get to the stage where antivirals are effective at mitigating the effects of the virus I recogn as long as people are willing to share their symptomatic details on an app, then there is some hope that the first wave is the biggest one. It's worked in South Korea.

The second wave is expected based on scientific observation, plus we are just over 100 years from when the Spanish Flu hit. That was played out over a few years, before global travel was the norm. I can see it coming back, I would love to be wrong. I am also talking to my season ticket buddy about missing next seasons games until a vaccine is found. I wonder what Arsenals stance will be, will they allow one season out.

Not sure how they are really going to manage the numbers involved in contact tracing unless they can make that app work but then you'll get the usual 'abuse of my personal freedom' merchants refusing to play along. Anything would be a start though and better than nothing.

I don't think we need to worry about renewing season tickets at the moment as I cannot see crowds being allowed back any time soon and certainly not this year. That will piss wiggy off as they are also due us money for cup refunds and any ticket exchange deals. There will have to come a point when we accept that we will have to live with this virus though and that is why I would like to see the SAGE data published.

I see experts in Italy are now stating that the virus arrived there earlier than originally thought. The first case was diagnosed in Lombardy on Feb 21 but they are now stating they were aware of a lot of cases before that date which means that it was there in January. Even then they say it could have started earlier than that but they will never be able to officially confirm.

[nut flush gooner]

governments don’t just shutdown countries with the huge financial implications that will have consequences for years without good reason -,still think they is lots that we are not being told about this, not just the figures of who has died.

That's just it. They haven't completely shut down the country. Supermarkets are still open. Businesses that have built up a strong online presence are still operational. Banks and professional services are still operational. Everyone is allowed to go out at least once a day, if not more and for longer than 1 hour. Essential services are still operational.
The borders are still open. Yes, tourism has been reduced and the environmental impact has been benficial.
The hospitalty sector has been hit massively by the lockdown measures, as has engineering. Maybe it is the part of the world I work in, but, I've never interviewed so many people with engineering qualifications to work in a supermarket.

Yes trying to do maths at 2am isn't something for me either I had visions of two sets of ONS figures on the go and was gearing up for a big conspiracy theory push. I agree that those at risk should be protected and should be in isolation but the rest of us need to be working. They have had the opportunity to increase bed capacity and ventillators have been procurred so time to start thinking about the way forward.

I don't think they ever really wanted to shut the country down to the extent of some of our European neighbours. The ONS figures show that this virus is absolutely nailing the elderly, those with an underlying condition (usually the elderly again) and the obese. Ethnic minorities are also taking a disproportionate hit which was obvious a couple of weeks ago when they put up the picture of the NHS staff who had died but which our esteemed press have only just cottoned onto

From the moment Imperial College said possibly 250k dead this has always been about making sure that the current government didn't go down in history as overseeing the deaths of that many people. Second to that was ensuring that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed, so the Protect the NHS Save Lives line was born because people would buy into that. What I can't reconcile is why the government listens to Imperial on modelling and apparently discounts the Oxford and Cambridge theories that the virus was here much earlier than the govt seems to want to think YET when it comes to developing a vaccine there are high expectations of Oxford or Cambridge coming up with something while I have seen no mention of Imperial on that subject.

This is now all about sitting back and watching what happens to the countries that are beginning to open up in the hope of learning lessons to help us avoid any adverse issues they may encounter. There has been a marked increase in road traffic over the last few days and a mate who has to go in to work via the M25 said that there is still a considerable amount of traffic using it. I think the public will go with the duration of the current lockdown but after that there will be increased discontent.

I retired a couple of years ago from a 'key worker' occupation and took up a little part time job in a supermarket for something to do and I'm suddenly a key worker again by default WTF is that all about

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

I wish to fcuk that people (both over here and elsewhere) would stop lauding the Irish government as a shining light for the correct way to react to the virus - as I said previously, earlier this week we allowed 200+ Bulgarians into our country to be fruit pickers, and despite widespread condemnation by all and sundry, our government STILL are refusing point blank to close airports for passenger flights or the docks for passenger ferries If an island (like ours) closes it borders 6 weeks ago, AND enforces social distancing etc, then by now we would almost be clear of it, and then the health minister has the cheek to threaten us with extending the lockdown cos we are getting complacent ?? People are not getting complacent, they are getting fed up, and if those government c.unts done the responsible thing when they should have, then we would have a country and economy getting back on it's feet by now

It might have been luck rather over there than judgement but the reality is 20,000 people have lost their lives in the UK and that's not even the correct figure. I doubt anything the Irish government have done is as stupid as the day before St Paddy's day telling people they shouldn't go to pubs, on top of allowing Cheltenham to happen and the Pool vs Athletico game instead of having a full lockdown. The worst thing of all is they are talking right now on TV as if they are in control of this fucking disease. All the reporting has been about the disasters in Spain, Italy and the US. Nothing of the sort in the UK. For sure our true figures put us behind only the US in death figures.

[nut flush gooner]

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

I don't think they have a clue about when it's coming back or if its going to go away at all and it's pretty obvious with it being a new thing that they haven't got a clue about many things. We all know how easily it is transmitted so unless you get the number of cases down to zero - virtually impossible - there is always the potential for it to kick off again.

Your CNN story is interesting and sums up one thing for me which is I am convinced we are going to find out that this virus has been through a major part of our population. Not only way above the "official" hospital figure but also above the other conservative figures that have been put out. German scientists estimated that our detection rate was about 1.2% of confirmed cases but when you look at the transmission rate as per your CNN story coupled with the fact that many people experienced 'the symptoms' way before the govt woke up to its existence then the truth could be a whole different story.

As you point out the crowds for Cheltenham and Atletico were a big mistake and exacerbated by the fact that flights continued to operate with unchecked access permitted to the UK for all. How on earth some of the scientific journals can refute the Oxford claim that half the population could well have been infected I just don't know. They point at the hospitalisation rate as the evidence for their position which is fair but so much of this is based on assumption and modelling of viruses we know about where this thing is still largely an unknown. If they have got the hospitalisation rates wrong then the numbers are all going to be out of sync. Funnily enough the brains announced yesterday that initial antibody test results were pointing to a higher percentage of infection than they initially thought.

As for swab testing - great if you happen to have symptoms right now at this very minute but sod all use if you suspect you have had it and require an antibody test instead. The calls from medics and scientists alike for the SAGE data and minutes to be made public have fallen on deaf ears which in an age of transparency and cooperation is a bit suspicious if there is nothing to hide.

I'm actually more interested in contact tracing, we've gone weeks past the stage where testing would have been effective. The antibody tests have largely been found to be duff so far and useless. So until we get to the stage where antivirals are effective at mitigating the effects of the virus I recogn as long as people are willing to share their symptomatic details on an app, then there is some hope that the first wave is the biggest one. It's worked in South Korea.

The second wave is expected based on scientific observation, plus we are just over 100 years from when the Spanish Flu hit. That was played out over a few years, before global travel was the norm. I can see it coming back, I would love to be wrong. I am also talking to my season ticket buddy about missing next seasons games until a vaccine is found. I wonder what Arsenals stance will be, will they allow one season out.

Not sure how they are really going to manage the numbers involved in contact tracing unless they can make that app work but then you'll get the usual 'abuse of my personal freedom' merchants refusing to play along. Anything would be a start though and better than nothing.

I don't think we need to worry about renewing season tickets at the moment as I cannot see crowds being allowed back any time soon and certainly not this year. That will piss wiggy off as they are also due us money for cup refunds and any ticket exchange deals. There will have to come a point when we accept that we will have to live with this virus though and that is why I would like to see the SAGE data published.

I see experts in Italy are now stating that the virus arrived there earlier than originally thought. The first case was diagnosed in Lombardy on Feb 21 but they are now stating they were aware of a lot of cases before that date which means that it was there in January. Even then they say it could have started earlier than that but they will never be able to officially confirm.

A mate a few doors down from me, said he had classic COVID19 symptoms in February. It's only recently that he's said he thought he might have had it over the Flu. You're right about contact tracing, we couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery in this country, so what chance have we got of making advanced tech work. South Korea are on a different level for that sort of thing.

[OneBardGooner]

Hello Peeps!

Thank-You for your concern and kind comments, it IS appreciated.

Yes, I am okay...Got tested last Saturday and I am now waiting for the result/s. I feel okay - Just feel like I have had the flu - But must admit this felt worse...than the man flu I've had before... Bonus: (The nurse (female!) was very sexy in her mask and gloves! )

I would have posted sooner but my Router Died... I know any other time and I could just order replacement but trying to get through to the provider is impossible, so I am send this on my phone, which I have never used to do 'internet' stuff before, only ever used it for Calls/Texts and Photo's oh! and Music!.

Sincerely: I hope you are all well and SAFE.


One things is for certain Mike dean is a still a C.U.N.T

Glad to hear you are OK mate. Stay safe.

Mike Fucking Dean is a cùnt. Pass it on.

Cheers mate.

Just to say I had the test a week today and no news, I'm not complaining in any way shape or form as we all know the NHS is drowning badly (not waving etc), also No News IS Good News (I hope) and I do feel much MUCH better, just totally exhausted, last time I felt this tired was the following 3 days after I ran the London marathon some 35yrs ago..

It's weird just feel like all my energy has been taken out of me..

BUT other than that all good. The headaches/Sore throat/Coughing all gone Fuckk I feel tired just watching that moji

I agree with those who are saying they think this virus or a version of it has been around a lot longer than since it hit Italy... So many people are saying they had the exact symptoms back in Oct/Nov/ Dec last year...

With all this time on my hands and no broadband till yesterday, I've been wondering why the fuckk have none of the countries governments challenged China over this - They need to be brought to book - Buncha cuntts - I'll never forget or forgive the cuntts after what they did to Tibet - MothaFuckka's

There, that's better.

I hope Y'all and your kin are Safe and Well.

All we need now is for someone to assassinate the orange retard trump AND for the Prem to be cancelled for this season so the scousers win Fuckk All!

That would really cheer me ( and I'm sure many others) up.

[Jock Gooner]

It's impossible to segregate certain sectors of society whilst the rest of us get on with our lives, the only way it would come close to working is if family units effectively split up until the vaccine was approved and most of the population had access.

The disease revolves around simple Maths. Unchecked 1 person in the UK was infecting 2.6-3 people, apply exponential growth and we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands we are talking millions of deaths ( Spanish flu anyone). The NHS would be overwhelmed and it literally would be a decision you live and you die. Despite the NHS coping with the pandemic so far we still are heading for the most deaths in Europe. And it's coming back in the autumn, if we don't at least have any anti virals by then we are facing a nasty second wave. The Government fucked up not closing down sooner, we have seen the results with Ireland and Germany/South Korea especially of the impact of using a quicker lockdown strategy and also technology on smart phones. Then we allowed big gatherings of people at places like Cheltenham and the CL game between Pool and Athletico. Our last game was against West Ham, again there must have been a fair number of people at the game either asymptomatic or showing mild symptoms but highly contagious.

There's a striking article on CNN about a restaurant in Wuhan, there was one person who carried the virus, within 53 minutes of sitting down he had infected 9 others due to the air conditioning in the restaurant. That is extreme contact tracing in action, it would never work in this country because people will never sacrifice their liberty to be traced in this way. Yet voluntarily we can use contact tracing as a way out or at least to keep us safe in the knowledge of where there are people who have symptoms, it's worked in a democracy like South Korea. We need to start thinking smart.

COVID19 is much more virulent than seasonal flu (which has a yearly vaccine anyway) and has a much higher death rate. It's nearly May as well, been warm and yet hundreds are still dying every day. Our economy is fucked either way, with mass deaths the confidence of people to go out and spend money in restaurants bars etc even attend big sporting events will have been dented for sure.

I don't think they have a clue about when it's coming back or if its going to go away at all and it's pretty obvious with it being a new thing that they haven't got a clue about many things. We all know how easily it is transmitted so unless you get the number of cases down to zero - virtually impossible - there is always the potential for it to kick off again.

Your CNN story is interesting and sums up one thing for me which is I am convinced we are going to find out that this virus has been through a major part of our population. Not only way above the "official" hospital figure but also above the other conservative figures that have been put out. German scientists estimated that our detection rate was about 1.2% of confirmed cases but when you look at the transmission rate as per your CNN story coupled with the fact that many people experienced 'the symptoms' way before the govt woke up to its existence then the truth could be a whole different story.

As you point out the crowds for Cheltenham and Atletico were a big mistake and exacerbated by the fact that flights continued to operate with unchecked access permitted to the UK for all. How on earth some of the scientific journals can refute the Oxford claim that half the population could well have been infected I just don't know. They point at the hospitalisation rate as the evidence for their position which is fair but so much of this is based on assumption and modelling of viruses we know about where this thing is still largely an unknown. If they have got the hospitalisation rates wrong then the numbers are all going to be out of sync. Funnily enough the brains announced yesterday that initial antibody test results were pointing to a higher percentage of infection than they initially thought.

As for swab testing - great if you happen to have symptoms right now at this very minute but sod all use if you suspect you have had it and require an antibody test instead. The calls from medics and scientists alike for the SAGE data and minutes to be made public have fallen on deaf ears which in an age of transparency and cooperation is a bit suspicious if there is nothing to hide.

I'm actually more interested in contact tracing, we've gone weeks past the stage where testing would have been effective. The antibody tests have largely been found to be duff so far and useless. So until we get to the stage where antivirals are effective at mitigating the effects of the virus I recogn as long as people are willing to share their symptomatic details on an app, then there is some hope that the first wave is the biggest one. It's worked in South Korea.

The second wave is expected based on scientific observation, plus we are just over 100 years from when the Spanish Flu hit. That was played out over a few years, before global travel was the norm. I can see it coming back, I would love to be wrong. I am also talking to my season ticket buddy about missing next seasons games until a vaccine is found. I wonder what Arsenals stance will be, will they allow one season out.

Not sure how they are really going to manage the numbers involved in contact tracing unless they can make that app work but then you'll get the usual 'abuse of my personal freedom' merchants refusing to play along. Anything would be a start though and better than nothing.

I don't think we need to worry about renewing season tickets at the moment as I cannot see crowds being allowed back any time soon and certainly not this year. That will piss wiggy off as they are also due us money for cup refunds and any ticket exchange deals. There will have to come a point when we accept that we will have to live with this virus though and that is why I would like to see the SAGE data published.

I see experts in Italy are now stating that the virus arrived there earlier than originally thought. The first case was diagnosed in Lombardy on Feb 21 but they are now stating they were aware of a lot of cases before that date which means that it was there in January. Even then they say it could have started earlier than that but they will never be able to officially confirm.

A mate a few doors down from me, said he had classic COVID19 symptoms in February. It's only recently that he's said he thought he might have had it over the Flu. You're right about contact tracing, we couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery in this country, so what chance have we got of making advanced tech work. South Korea are on a different level for that sort of thing.

Your mate probably had it. I've said on here before that my daughter came back from France in early January with what we now understand to be classic symptoms for over a week. Her temperature was off the scale, the cough was there too and she literally couldn't move for a couple of days. But the thing that really hit home and still affects her was the tightness of her chest and even now 3 months later she still feels it. My son had a lesser dose and the wife too. One of the Oirish lads said at the time that a really severe flu had been on the go over there at Xmas which was worse than any normal flu. I may well be wrong but I think we are way behind with identifying the start of events here.

[Jock Gooner]

A genuine source mentioned that his organisation which is 'in the know' is talking to their people about Whitsun being the official preferred date for starting to lift the lock down unless there is a significant change of heart /data. Don't shoot the messenger.

[OneBardGooner]

An interesting article on the BBC website:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52325269

[DB10GOONER]

So many fucking selfish fucking wànkers on the streets today. I've been deemed an "essential worker" and due to our fucked up IT system (and ironically GDPR) I cannot work from home. So I'm back in South Central Dublin and the streets are infested with junkie scum and alcoholic fuckers and general scobie type urban filth.

Read today this lovely area of Dublin is the crime capital of Oireland. And not a fucking sign of a cop on the streets. Plenty of groups of junkie cùnts 5 or 10 strong roaring and screaming about owing money to "Deco" or "Antho" and organising a stabbing for "Damo" etc etc but no cops to fucking deal with said filth.