CoronaVirus / Adolf Putin / The Apocalypse etc

[nut flush gooner]

Dont think the Government will survive this intact, none could no matter what colour they wear. Mistakes have been made whether by SAGE, Goverment Ministers and Departments or other organisations like local authorities but I'm not sure many things could have been done much differently and the rising death toll has been cumulative for various reasons.

I find it hypocritical for all these big businesses to be going running to government for money when they usually complain about their interference at other times. Branson can go fuck himself as far as I'm concerned but I genuinely feel sorry for the staff who will be losing their jobs but the aviation industry have been *word censored* for years charging through the nose for flights, causing a huge amount of pollution, treating staff poorly in many cases and being very slow to change and innovate now they're suddenly against the wall it's all the governments fault.

Christ I dont think there can be many industries out there right now that aren't struggling and need bailouts but exactly where the money is supposed to come from I'll be interested to hear.... half the developed nations in the world are trying to borrow money that doesnt exist anywhere except in the ether and that must be running out.

This situation will make the banking crisis seem like small change when the chickens come home to roost and for all the deluded out there who think we'll go back to normal any time soon the reality will come as a serious shock

Could you imagine what would happen if there was an election today. The Tories would get smashed. The worst thing about this whole crisis is all along they have been trying to paint a picture of being in control, unlike the Italians or Spanish for example. The reality is even though the NHS didn't get overwhelmed, we have the highest number of deaths in Europe. And yet despite this Dominic Raab tries to spin even more today.

The media should also hang their heads in shame for giving the Tories an easy ride. Sky news keep doing special documentaries on Italy and New York showing this humanitarian disaster, yet ignore whats happening in their home country.

Piers Morgan has been off this week, but I can't wait for him to interview Matt Hancock and put him to the sword for being an utterly deluded prick.

[Bradywasking]

Just heard nine Premier League doctors have raised concerns about finishing this season. Which makes more sense than Graham Kelly's shorter games. It doesn't matter how short the games are Liverpool will get a last minute penalty if they need one.
Lock the gates and forget about football until such times that it is completely safe..There are more pressing needs.

[StuartL]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52558225

Basically saying neutral grounds or it will be null and void.

The integrity of the league is at stake, how can you have different rules at the start to the end ?
Home advantage can easily sway results.

If the games can not get completed normally (ie at the ground it should be played at, over 90mins, without PPE equipment needed ) then it shouldn’t be played at all. None of this points per game nonsense as you often get surprise results and teams hit form etc.

[augie]

Where I see it is theres a lot of overweight people in this country that are under 50. Of all the people that have died that are young I am sure I haven't seen many featured on tv that look slim. You could argue the same for this group a lot of whom are diabetic. But yes to single out a group who have contributed down the years is just a tad harsh.

? I'm trying to figure out just wtf your on about so no change there.

Its quite simple Herd, don't single out certain groups as an example of how we can save money on healthcare, pensions etc. My point was that younger people are overweight, unhealthy and have conditions like diabetes. Morbidity isn't always linked to age, it's common knowledge working-class people in certain deprived areas have a much lower life expectancy than other parts of the country where they live to a ripe old age. So why don't you single them out or do you fall into that category yourself.

Nut flush, iI believe Herd was saying that it was ideal for the government, not that he agreed with it, or thought it was a good thing !

Herd is a populist, he wants the lot of them dead even though he is one of them!

Maybe he is a populist or maybe he isn't cos I don't know either way, but for certain you interpreted his post wrongly cos he wasn't wishing old people dead in that post

[augie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52558225

Basically saying neutral grounds or it will be null and void.

The integrity of the league is at stake, how can you have different rules at the start to the end ?
Home advantage can easily sway results.

If the games can not get completed normally (ie at the ground it should be played at, over 90mins, without PPE equipment needed ) then it shouldn’t be played at all. None of this points per game nonsense as you often get surprise results and teams hit form etc.

Personally I am delighted to see the EFL/Championship clubs threatening legal action if the premier league don't do relegation and only promote 2 clubs from championship - the rules are in place that 3 clubs go down and 3 come up, and anything other than voiding the season should see that rule enforced. Ridiculous that clubs near the bottom are trying to hold a gun to the premier league's head saying that they will only play on if there is no relegation - if the government and premier league give the green light to resume (whether they are right or not), clubs cannot have any legal grounds to avoid playing their games

[Jock Gooner]

Dont think the Government will survive this intact, none could no matter what colour they wear. Mistakes have been made whether by SAGE, Goverment Ministers and Departments or other organisations like local authorities but I'm not sure many things could have been done much differently and the rising death toll has been cumulative for various reasons.

I find it hypocritical for all these big businesses to be going running to government for money when they usually complain about their interference at other times. Branson can go fuck himself as far as I'm concerned but I genuinely feel sorry for the staff who will be losing their jobs but the aviation industry have been *word censored* for years charging through the nose for flights, causing a huge amount of pollution, treating staff poorly in many cases and being very slow to change and innovate now they're suddenly against the wall it's all the governments fault.

Christ I dont think there can be many industries out there right now that aren't struggling and need bailouts but exactly where the money is supposed to come from I'll be interested to hear.... half the developed nations in the world are trying to borrow money that doesnt exist anywhere except in the ether and that must be running out.

This situation will make the banking crisis seem like small change when the chickens come home to roost and for all the deluded out there who think we'll go back to normal any time soon the reality will come as a serious shock

Could you imagine what would happen if there was an election today. The Tories would get smashed. The worst thing about this whole crisis is all along they have been trying to paint a picture of being in control, unlike the Italians or Spanish for example. The reality is even though the NHS didn't get overwhelmed, we have the highest number of deaths in Europe. And yet despite this Dominic Raab tries to spin even more today.

The media should also hang their heads in shame for giving the Tories an easy ride. Sky news keep doing special documentaries on Italy and New York showing this humanitarian disaster, yet ignore whats happening in their home country.

Piers Morgan has been off this week, but I can't wait for him to interview Matt Hancock and put him to the sword for being an utterly deluded prick.

Don't kid yourself that the country is stupid enough to vote for the other shower of shit. That liberal uber wet metropolitan elite handwringing excuse for an individual is no vote winner.

Of course the government is obliged to try and display a degree of control to make it look like they know what they are doing. They are trying to deal with a global pandemic when every country is largely in the shit and trying to dig their way out. The NHS didn't get overwhelmed and that is something to be thankful for. As for the death figures, get real anybody looking at that top line figure is either stupid or a journalist. I posted a link on here before which shows deaths per million of population and the Belgians actually come out on top followed by the Spanish and Italians and us at fourth. Funnily enough the US comes in way down the list but of course that doesn't suit the agenda of bashing the idiot in charge there either. Even Sky news have reluctantly started to show these figures to give a more balanced account of the numbers. It makes them look stupid but then that's their own fault.

As for the media, don't encourage them. Sky have no shame and would happily stick a reporter at the bed of some poor sod dying of Covid to get an exclusive interview. Piers Morgan is just a gobshite wanker who likes to bully and shout at people in an effort to garner publicity for himself. He doesn't let anyone reply and just shouts over them because he can. The guy has always been a cu.nt and isn't exactly squeaky clean himself but certainly doesn't let morals get in the way of his grandstanding. If you want Hancock to be interviewed then Andrew Neill would do a much better job on him.

[DB10GOONER]

You can always rely on a pandemic to start a thriving black market. And what you might ask is the subject of this black market? What is so essential and in such short supply in Oireland? Water? Food? Medicines?

Fuck no.

It's women's hairdressing.

[DB10GOONER]

There's a big push here (from fucking idiots mostly) to open up the lockdown now rather than go with the government's 5 phase plan over the next few months.

We are still averaging 30 deaths a day and 250+ new infections a day and those stats are light tbh because the recording of deaths and infections is undercalculated in Oireland.

Footfall is up massively in Oireland and traffic is up too.

I'm deemed an essential worker so I have to commute to work which puts my health and my family's health at risk because these stupid cùnts cannot stay at home.

[augie]

There's a big push here (from fucking idiots mostly) to open up the lockdown now rather than go with the government's 5 phase plan over the next few months.

We are still averaging 30 deaths a day and 250+ new infections a day and those stats are light tbh because the recording of deaths and infections is undercalculated in Oireland.

Footfall is up massively in Oireland and traffic is up too.

I'm deemed an essential worker so I have to commute to work which puts my health and my family's health at risk because these stupid cùnts cannot stay at home.

I have a brother in law who is a straight shooter and doesn't bullshit, and he told me that a few weeks ago his best friend's father died in his home from a massive heart attack (his friend was there when it happened) - a couple of weeks later the family got the death cert and it said that he had died from covid 19 I have heard a few similar stories tbh, so whilst I agree that the numbers are probably not recorded properly, I would say that the inaccuracies are on both sides of this cos they might be trying to bump up the numbers to scare people into following the instructions

The problem with this 5 phase plan is that it isnt genuine - to my mind only stupid people believe that it is possible, and this plan was issued simply to placate the growing number of frustrated people around the country. In my opinion phases 1,2 and 3 are do-able, phase 4 is where it gets risky, but phase 5 is absolutely ridiculous and totally unworkable - how realistic is it to imagine crowds at matches and the pubs open again in august, when prior to this plan being announced, most people thought that it would be late October/early November at the earliest before pubs would open again I have praised the pub owners over here for their patient and responsible responses to their businesses being closed, but now the c.unts think that they should be allowed to open again next month ?? Fcuk that. The new regulations that they (the vitners association) are proposing will only be workable for a small percentage of pubs in this country, but it seems that opening a small number of pubs now is preferable to them than waiting a few months until restrictions are eased and some of their colleagues will also be in a position to open

I am seeing and hearing so many sports people over here saying that sports should return yet and that they wouldn't be comfortable going back yet - guess what lads, no-one is forcing you to go back so please feel free to stay at home and keep your opinions to yourselves and allow sport to return for the majority that absolutely want to return to action in July Does these people think that sport shouldn't return until 100% of people agree with it ? Maybe they feel that it shouldn't be back until they themselves feel it is ok to comeback cos they are the self appointed moral compass for us all ?

[Herd]

The death of the elderly is the best result possible for the government as it will save them a lot of money.

Where I see it is theres a lot of overweight people in this country that are under 50. Of all the people that have died that are young I am sure I haven't seen many featured on tv that look slim. You could argue the same for this group a lot of whom are diabetic. But yes to single out a group who have contributed down the years is just a tad harsh.

? I'm trying to figure out just wtf your on about so no change there.

Its quite simple Herd, don't single out certain groups as an example of how we can save money on healthcare, pensions etc. My point was that younger people are overweight, unhealthy and have conditions like diabetes. Morbidity isn't always linked to age, it's common knowledge working-class people in certain deprived areas have a much lower life expectancy than other parts of the country where they live to a ripe old age. So why don't you single them out or do you fall into that category yourself.

To be honest you never make any sense and I love the fact that others notice your change the goalpost ludicrous arguments I haven't followed your latest stuff much Im Just chilling here and doing way to much booze an udder tings ! Enjoy !

[Nos89]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52558225

Basically saying neutral grounds or it will be null and void.

The integrity of the league is at stake, how can you have different rules at the start to the end ?
Home advantage can easily sway results.

If the games can not get completed normally (ie at the ground it should be played at, over 90mins, without PPE equipment needed ) then it shouldn’t be played at all. None of this points per game nonsense as you often get surprise results and teams hit form etc.

If the stadium is empty what difference does it make where the game is played? An empty home stadium could be a disadvanatge.
What are the Germans doing?

[nut flush gooner]

The death of the elderly is the best result possible for the government as it will save them a lot of money.

Where I see it is theres a lot of overweight people in this country that are under 50. Of all the people that have died that are young I am sure I haven't seen many featured on tv that look slim. You could argue the same for this group a lot of whom are diabetic. But yes to single out a group who have contributed down the years is just a tad harsh.

? I'm trying to figure out just wtf your on about so no change there.

Its quite simple Herd, don't single out certain groups as an example of how we can save money on healthcare, pensions etc. My point was that younger people are overweight, unhealthy and have conditions like diabetes. Morbidity isn't always linked to age, it's common knowledge working-class people in certain deprived areas have a much lower life expectancy than other parts of the country where they live to a ripe old age. So why don't you single them out or do you fall into that category yourself.

To be honest you never make any sense and I love the fact that others notice your change the goalpost ludicrous arguments I haven't followed your latest stuff much Im Just chilling here and doing way to much booze an udder tings ! Enjoy !

You're on the booze and going on about other people making ridiculous arguments when you said for how many years we weren't leaving the EU, maybe it's the vino talking old boy!

[DB10GOONER]

There's a big push here (from fucking idiots mostly) to open up the lockdown now rather than go with the government's 5 phase plan over the next few months.

We are still averaging 30 deaths a day and 250+ new infections a day and those stats are light tbh because the recording of deaths and infections is undercalculated in Oireland.

Footfall is up massively in Oireland and traffic is up too.

I'm deemed an essential worker so I have to commute to work which puts my health and my family's health at risk because these stupid cùnts cannot stay at home.

I have a brother in law who is a straight shooter and doesn't bullshit, and he told me that a few weeks ago his best friend's father died in his home from a massive heart attack (his friend was there when it happened) - a couple of weeks later the family got the death cert and it said that he had died from covid 19 I have heard a few similar stories tbh, so whilst I agree that the numbers are probably not recorded properly, I would say that the inaccuracies are on both sides of this cos they might be trying to bump up the numbers to scare people into following the instructions

The problem with this 5 phase plan is that it isnt genuine - to my mind only stupid people believe that it is possible, and this plan was issued simply to placate the growing number of frustrated people around the country. In my opinion phases 1,2 and 3 are do-able, phase 4 is where it gets risky, but phase 5 is absolutely ridiculous and totally unworkable - how realistic is it to imagine crowds at matches and the pubs open again in august, when prior to this plan being announced, most people thought that it would be late October/early November at the earliest before pubs would open again I have praised the pub owners over here for their patient and responsible responses to their businesses being closed, but now the c.unts think that they should be allowed to open again next month ?? Fcuk that. The new regulations that they (the vitners association) are proposing will only be workable for a small percentage of pubs in this country, but it seems that opening a small number of pubs now is preferable to them than waiting a few months until restrictions are eased and some of their colleagues will also be in a position to open

I am seeing and hearing so many sports people over here saying that sports should return yet and that they wouldn't be comfortable going back yet - guess what lads, no-one is forcing you to go back so please feel free to stay at home and keep your opinions to yourselves and allow sport to return for the majority that absolutely want to return to action in July Does these people think that sport shouldn't return until 100% of people agree with it ? Maybe they feel that it shouldn't be back until they themselves feel it is ok to comeback cos they are the self appointed moral compass for us all ?

The idea behind the 5 phase plan is to delay the inevitable - the return of idiots to the streets en masse. This might (might) help prevent or delay a second wave of mass infection and death. It's all about containment. It always has been. By announcing an intention for phase 5 in August they are still hoping to give people hope of an end in sight and delay that inevitable point where the majority of entitled idiots just say fuck it and break the isolation. I reckon we'll find that in July they'll push that phase 5 date back further. Notice how they quietly announced yesterday that covid support payments may extend now beyond June?

The point I'm making is the general public are still under instruction to stay home but so many of them are arrogant entitled cùnts they have just decided to do what suits them now and it's getting worse every day. They don't seem to understand the more they suit themselves in the short term the longer their job / pub / cafe / hairdresser will stay closed in the long term.

Not sure why your mate's dad's death was recorded as a covid death but I'd imagine that's a lot rarer than the amount of deaths that are not recorded as covid when they were covid. I don't believe for a minute though that anyone is over recording covid deaths as part of some conspiracy to scare the public. It would be exposed as such within days given how seriously leaky government departments are here!

The whole phase 5 pub thing in particular wont happen and smacks of the politicians paying lip service to the vitners as well as the aforementioned public. There is no way to safely provide a pub with social distancing, bar or waiter service and toilet facilities. Then you add in your average drunk arsehole with an attitude and you have a recipe for disorder and violence on a huge scale every weekend.

[augie]

Not disagreeing with most of what you say there buddy, but I will say that the counting system they have in place for deaths is a scandal - how can they announce a daily death toll and then say that the number includes a few deaths from a few days previously (which they have done a few times) ?

[augie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52558225

Basically saying neutral grounds or it will be null and void.

The integrity of the league is at stake, how can you have different rules at the start to the end ?
Home advantage can easily sway results.

If the games can not get completed normally (ie at the ground it should be played at, over 90mins, without PPE equipment needed ) then it shouldn’t be played at all. None of this points per game nonsense as you often get surprise results and teams hit form etc.

If the stadium is empty what difference does it make where the game is played? An empty home stadium could be a disadvanatge.
What are the Germans doing?

Personally I can't understand why there is a push to play the games on neutral venues - why not allow teams their home advantage ? It seems a stupid thing to potentially derail the resumption of the league

The whole thing is developing into an absolute shitfest now with some clubs pushing to return and some clubs fighting against it - personally I think that it has to resume unless the majority of clubs oppose it, but too many are causing trouble. Some Union for over 1000 athletes are saying that football shouldn't return ..... wtf has it to do with them ? The pfa are only Union relevant to this debate