Nos89 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:37 pmI admire your support of him. What has he offerred our midfield that differs greatly from the rest of them? All I see is 1 goal and 4 assists over two seasons. That is a piss poor return from the next best thing as you claim him to be.augie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pmNos89 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:32 pmOf our current midfielders Cellabos, Torreira, Xhaka (yes) and Willock are better players than guendouzi. Guendouzi has not established a style of play that makes you trust him in the midfield. Problem is our midfield needs better players than we currently have and Guendouzi does not fit the criteria. He may be talented but what does he do with that talent? He has never produced a display that makes me think he's the real deal. He's made 82 appearances for the club, 1 goal and 4 assists over 2 seasons. Not good enough, not worth the hassle, cash in on his potential and get a better midfielder.Retro Gunner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:41 amNos89 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:00 pmAgree with this. A goal keeper who catches the ball. Who'd have thought we'd see that skill returning to the game? He has shown glimpses over the last 10 years of being a quality keeper, but given his performances I'd put him ahead of Leno, simply because he catches the ball and mixes it up with the throw or long kick rather than the tippy tappy around the penalty area.
On Guendouzi, he hasn't set out what he actually does on the pitch. Does he score? does he assist? is he a hard tackler? haven't seen any of that in the last 3 seasons. He may well be a good player when he can actually show exactly what he brings to the table. I only see a player that exemplifies everything that has been wrong with our midfield for the last few seasons, great technical ability, can't tackle and doesn't make assists. I remember Denilson having more to his game than I've seen from Guendouzi.
I happen to think that there's a quality player in Guendouzi, especially as he's only just 21 and I've been happy with him so far. I see a bloke with energy, good technical ability, who carries the ball forward, but also gets busy closing down oppostion attacks in midfield and in and around our area. in short, the things that a centre mid should do. I'd concede that he isn't particularly creative going forward, but he's young.
On a more interesting note, who exactly amongst our centre mid illuminati do you consider to be better than Guendouzi? Around 18 months ago, I'd have said Torreira, but I'm not so sure now, as I think he's another poor bastard that we've ruined. So, keen to hear your take, because even if he's shit (which I don't think), it's surely a case of who's the shittest of all the shit we've got in centre mid and in my book, there's plenty more shit than him.
We do indeed need better players than we’ve got, but the question was who is better than Guendouzi and you pretty much said every centre mid we’ve got, including Xhaka !!! Suffice to say that Xhaka is the single worst centre mid I’ve ever seen at the club...by some margin. I think you’ve sunk your argument by citing that clown as better than Guendouzi, at least in the eyes of most on this forum.
I’ve already explained what I think Guendouzi brings, but you can’t see anything he offers. Fair enough, but tell me what Willock brings to the table, because I sure can’t see anything? As for Toreirra, I thought 18 months ago that we had a real star on our hands, but for whatever reason, those wheels have come off. He’s a shadow of his former self and I suspect he’ll be gone this summer.
I don’t see anyone offering more than Matteo in our centre mid.
I'm sure he'll become a fine player, but not at Arsenal, nor in the premier league.
He is not a creative or attacking midfielder ffs - as I said previously in this thread, guendouzi is more of a gattuso type midfielder, albeit that he needs to add a bit more snarl and bite to his game. Do you remember how long it took petit to score his for goal for us, and that was playing in an outstanding team. A lot of the problem at AFC is that there isnt enough definded coaching (imo) about a players role and responsibility - guendouzi works hard on closing opposition players down all the time, but sometimes those runs take him out of the position where he should be. The kid has come from the french second division so I'm not sure why people think he should be the finished article already
Give the kid time, give him some proper coaching, and give him some support and make him feel valued, and let's see then how he develops - to me it doesnt seem that he is getting any of them
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He hasn't developed his game since he arrived, he is still playing like a kid in the French second division and has the attitude of a prima dona. Once he leaves and realises how big an opportunity he had, it will be too late. If he was as good as you make him out to be, he would have displaced Xhaka. He hasn't because he isn't good enough. You only think he's good because of how awful the rest of our midfield is, compared to where we need it to be, and unfortunately for matteo, he hasn't done anything to justify what his ego thinks he should get. I doubt Guendouzi would not have shown the discipline AMN showed in yesterdays game. Ill-discipline is down to the player not the coaching. In addition, has the team has desperately missed his presence? No, which really tells you all you need to know.
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Sorry Nos, but you’re not making much sense, because you’re not listening to what myself or Augie are saying.
Firstly, at no point have I said that Guendouzi is “the next big thing”....so that’s a straw man argument. Imo, he’s better than our other midfield options, although I’d probably promote Ceballos to first choice centre mid, based on recent performances.
That leaves the position of defensive / disruptive midfielder to play alongside him. 18 months ago I’d have picked Torreira no problem. However, there’s clearly a problem there and his form dipped. Over that period, I was impressed with the development of Matteo.
You then say that we’re comparing him to the other crap available in centre mid. Well YES !! Isn’t that how this thing works ?! You could make a case for Ceballos and Torreira (as I have) and I’d listen, but to suggest that he’s behind Xhaka defies all football logic. It’s almost unanimous on here that Xhaka is nowhere near a top level player and should not be at our club, let alone playing.
You question his disciplinary record. Based on what? His spat at Brighton? I don’t know but I’ll bet he’s collected fewer yellows and reds compared to Xhaka and Torreira....on a pro rata to games played basis. He’s never been noted for on field trouble, even though he’s spiky.
Lastly, you say his presence hasn’t been missed. Really ? You been that impressed with our form and results then, or you basing everything on yesterday’s game, like many on here seem to be doing. Forget the Liverpool game, our performance was abject, with a Xhaka club foot masterclass.
I guess you and I won’t agree. Maybe the people at Barcelona who seem very keen on Guendouzi know something about him eh? It would hardly be a backward step would it ?
