Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[SteveO 35]

If any of ye think that he is gonna get sacked then ye are deluded. I will stake my bollox that he will not be sacked before the start of next season cos he will get the odd good result to keep him in the job

I agree he won't be sacked. Sadly (as is the case with 90% of our fans), so convinced were our board that Emery was the sole problem, they are so vested in this bloke proving them right. Well he won't and we'll end up finishing in the lower half of the table. The more people try to claim it was a change for the better, the more ridiculous they make themselves look.......that's up to them, but you'd like to think those responsible for actually running the club might wake up to the fact that we're now worse off...........and that isn't "Opinion SteveO".....its a statement of fact. 10th after 23 games, and if clubs below win their games in hand we're 13th. He has had 44 PL games in charge and his record is won 18, drew 11, lost 15 - so that's well over a year of PL football and absolutely bang average mid table statistics. It isn't better than before, it isn't getting any better now

This isn't his first season, or someone else's players, or down to the fact he hasn't had long enough. He's had over 60 games, and in most of the PL ones we've played football last seen in 1995 - it has been boring, predictable, spineless and losing football. I haven't felt as bad about my team since the end of Terry Neill's days and the sterile shite of the early to mid 80s pre GG.

[rodders999]

Has there been any word on why Allegri hasn’t gotten back in the game? There’s been a lot of big jobs come up since he’s been available and I haven’t heard a whisper of him being linked with any.

Has he made it clear behind the scenes that he’s taking a break or is he waiting for a particular job?

[g88ner]

If any of ye think that he is gonna get sacked then ye are deluded. I will stake my bollox that he will not be sacked before the start of next season cos he will get the odd good result to keep him in the job

I agree he won't be sacked. Sadly (as is the case with 90% of our fans), so convinced were our board that Emery was the sole problem, they are so vested in this bloke proving them right. Well he won't and we'll end up finishing in the lower half of the table. The more people try to claim it was a change for the better, the more ridiculous they make themselves look.......that's up to them, but you'd like to think those responsible for actually running the club might wake up to the fact that we're now worse off...........and that isn't "Opinion SteveO".....its a statement of fact. 10th after 23 games, and if clubs below win their games in hand we're 13th. He has had 44 PL games in charge and his record is won 18, drew 11, lost 15 - so that's well over a year of PL football and absolutely bang average mid table statistics. It isn't better than before, it isn't getting any better now

This isn't his first season, or someone else's players, or down to the fact he hasn't had long enough. He's had over 60 games, and in most of the PL ones we've played football last seen in 1995 - it has been boring, predictable, spineless and losing football. I haven't felt as bad about my team since the end of Terry Neill's days and the sterile shite of the early to mid 80s pre GG.

Seriously, Emery again? FFS steveo move on!

[SteveO 35]

If any of ye think that he is gonna get sacked then ye are deluded. I will stake my bollox that he will not be sacked before the start of next season cos he will get the odd good result to keep him in the job

I agree he won't be sacked. Sadly (as is the case with 90% of our fans), so convinced were our board that Emery was the sole problem, they are so vested in this bloke proving them right. Well he won't and we'll end up finishing in the lower half of the table. The more people try to claim it was a change for the better, the more ridiculous they make themselves look.......that's up to them, but you'd like to think those responsible for actually running the club might wake up to the fact that we're now worse off...........and that isn't "Opinion SteveO".....its a statement of fact. 10th after 23 games, and if clubs below win their games in hand we're 13th. He has had 44 PL games in charge and his record is won 18, drew 11, lost 15 - so that's well over a year of PL football and absolutely bang average mid table statistics. It isn't better than before, it isn't getting any better now

This isn't his first season, or someone else's players, or down to the fact he hasn't had long enough. He's had over 60 games, and in most of the PL ones we've played football last seen in 1995 - it has been boring, predictable, spineless and losing football. I haven't felt as bad about my team since the end of Terry Neill's days and the sterile shite of the early to mid 80s pre GG.

Seriously, Emery again? FFS steveo move on!

No.....not Emery again! Should never have been Emery to start with.

I'll say it again "Unai Emery should never have been appointed Arsenal manager"

Now maybe......just maybe......a few people might bring themselves to admit it isn't any better than it was under him. Go on......try just for a minute......I know it hurts.......

[northbank123]

With the best will in the world, he isn’t up to it. Not even nearly. The job is too hard and too big for him.

He can’t put anything right. We still have players getting sent off with alarming regularity. Still have stupid mistakes constantly costing us. Aubameyang is simply not contributing and he can’t figure out how to fit him in the system. Xhaka plays every game.

He can’t change games. He just watches things not working, and brings on Willian. And then picks the same team the next week.

He would have been sacked if there were fans in this year. Can you imagine the atmosphere as the home defeats were rolling in without scoring against Wolves, Villa, Burnley etc? Would have been toxic. We were actually dragged towards a relegation battle at Christmas. As it is there is no way he will get sacked this season.

[g88ner]

If any of ye think that he is gonna get sacked then ye are deluded. I will stake my bollox that he will not be sacked before the start of next season cos he will get the odd good result to keep him in the job

I agree he won't be sacked. Sadly (as is the case with 90% of our fans), so convinced were our board that Emery was the sole problem, they are so vested in this bloke proving them right. Well he won't and we'll end up finishing in the lower half of the table. The more people try to claim it was a change for the better, the more ridiculous they make themselves look.......that's up to them, but you'd like to think those responsible for actually running the club might wake up to the fact that we're now worse off...........and that isn't "Opinion SteveO".....its a statement of fact. 10th after 23 games, and if clubs below win their games in hand we're 13th. He has had 44 PL games in charge and his record is won 18, drew 11, lost 15 - so that's well over a year of PL football and absolutely bang average mid table statistics. It isn't better than before, it isn't getting any better now

This isn't his first season, or someone else's players, or down to the fact he hasn't had long enough. He's had over 60 games, and in most of the PL ones we've played football last seen in 1995 - it has been boring, predictable, spineless and losing football. I haven't felt as bad about my team since the end of Terry Neill's days and the sterile shite of the early to mid 80s pre GG.

Seriously, Emery again? FFS steveo move on!

No.....not Emery again! Should never have been Emery to start with.

I'll say it again "Unai Emery should never have been appointed Arsenal manager"

Now maybe......just maybe......a few people might bring themselves to admit it isn't any better than it was under him. Go on......try just for a minute......I know it hurts.......

You’re fucked in the head mate.

No way did 90% of our fan base think emery was the sole person to blame for our problems. That’s a nonsense argument to make.

Do a poll; you’ll be surprised. 90% don’t blame the board and think emery was solely to blame? that’s bollocks and you know it. We were shit under Wenger too and still are. The table over the last 5 years doesn’t lie.

It really fucks me off that you seem to love nothing more that rubbing our noses in it every time we lose over a viewpoint barely anyone on here actually holds.

[augie]

Are the arteta supporters really any different than arteta himself - I see fans slating arteta over his stubborn refusal to accept that willian was a mistake, but some of those same fans are showing the same level of stubborn support of arteta

[SteveO 35]

If any of ye think that he is gonna get sacked then ye are deluded. I will stake my bollox that he will not be sacked before the start of next season cos he will get the odd good result to keep him in the job

I agree he won't be sacked. Sadly (as is the case with 90% of our fans), so convinced were our board that Emery was the sole problem, they are so vested in this bloke proving them right. Well he won't and we'll end up finishing in the lower half of the table. The more people try to claim it was a change for the better, the more ridiculous they make themselves look.......that's up to them, but you'd like to think those responsible for actually running the club might wake up to the fact that we're now worse off...........and that isn't "Opinion SteveO".....its a statement of fact. 10th after 23 games, and if clubs below win their games in hand we're 13th. He has had 44 PL games in charge and his record is won 18, drew 11, lost 15 - so that's well over a year of PL football and absolutely bang average mid table statistics. It isn't better than before, it isn't getting any better now

This isn't his first season, or someone else's players, or down to the fact he hasn't had long enough. He's had over 60 games, and in most of the PL ones we've played football last seen in 1995 - it has been boring, predictable, spineless and losing football. I haven't felt as bad about my team since the end of Terry Neill's days and the sterile shite of the early to mid 80s pre GG.

Seriously, Emery again? FFS steveo move on!

No.....not Emery again! Should never have been Emery to start with.

I'll say it again "Unai Emery should never have been appointed Arsenal manager"

Now maybe......just maybe......a few people might bring themselves to admit it isn't any better than it was under him. Go on......try just for a minute......I know it hurts.......

You’re fucked in the head mate.

No way did 90% of our fan base think emery was the sole person to blame for our problems. That’s a nonsense argument to make.

Do a poll; you’ll be surprised. 90% don’t blame the board and think emery was solely to blame? that’s bollocks and you know it. We were shit under Wenger too and still are. The table over the last 5 years doesn’t lie.

It really fucks me off that you seem to love nothing more that rubbing our noses in it every time we lose over a viewpoint barely anyone on here actually holds.

OK.....maybe the bit about being the sole person to blame was wrong. However, there was much delight on here when he got the sack.....so if all those people thought he wasn't solely to blame, why the delight? Some hope that a magic wand would take the owner out of the equation and a novice would do better? You know people were chuffed when he left!

I don't really give a shit if my posts fuck you off - its a forum and providing its respectful and not personal, people have a right to express their opinions. I didn't want Emery as manager, but I also don't think he was doing that bad in the role. He had a poor run, but nothing like the shit we've seen this season and you also know that's true as well.

Don't like what I say, then ignore it, or block me if you feel that strongly about it. For the record I didn't like some of the continual slagging of Emery on here - some people doing it before his first season was over. Jumping on every substitution, every 'baffling' selection, taking the piss out of his command of the English language when he at least showed some courage to learn it unlike some managers and players. Some of it wasn't to my taste, but that seemed fair game. If I didn't agree with I said so. Sorry that I grew to like the previous manager, and sorry that I think we're worse off now than we were under him.

As for rubbing people's noses in it...........do you think I enjoy watching us play like this? I'm as much a fan as you or anyone else on here. It fucks me off to high heaven seeing us stink the place out week after week. When we threw the cup away I was as miserable as fuck for days, and I will be this week when I see the likes of fucking Barnsley and Bristol City playing in the fifth round.

When you go out on a limb and ridicule the previous manager and call him every name under the sun, then expect some shit back when the next guy up is half the manager (especially when you still can't admit he's doing a worse job). I'm not saying that's you by the way and that part of the post is not directed at you. By the way, if he turns this round, keeps his job and makes us a CL side playing great football then drag up all these posts from me.....knock yourself out if it makes you happy.

[g88ner]

Are the arteta supporters really any different than arteta himself - I see fans slating arteta over his stubborn refusal to accept that willian was a mistake, but some of those same fans are showing the same level of stubborn support of arteta

Obviously every fan is an individual person with unique views so I can’t possibly know what their thinking but, generally, I don’t see an issue with supporting a manager whilst also disagreeing with some of his decisions.

As fans we do that all the time. Even in wenger’s glory days, he made decisions that I strongly disagreed with.

I hate it but it’s clear that people are becoming polarised in Arteta in/out, just as it was with Wenger and Emery. The fanbase is so fractured it’s depressing.

[Gunner Rob]

Everyone needs to calm down and get behind Arteta as he is going nowhere.

There have been positives this year and despite this week we are still averaging over 2 points a game since Christmas.
The defence has improved - we have the 3rd best defence in the PL, and when we are at full strength I think we can be competitive with most teams.
There is a good young core of British players coming through, led by Saka. Pepe is finally showing some ability and I think Partey can be good, he just needs some time.

This is a freak season - there are too many matches and it is showing, but all teams are affected.
It’s why I was ok with us throwing the FA Cup this season - we have nothing left to prove in that competition anyway.

Arteta will continue to make mistakes, but it makes no sense constantly firing managers either.

[g88ner]

OK.....maybe the bit about being the sole person to blame was wrong. However, there was much delight on here when he got the sack.....so if all those people thought he wasn't solely to blame, why the delight? Some hope that a magic wand would take the owner out of the equation and a novice would do better? You know people were chuffed when he left!

Read what you wrote above but put it in the context of Wenger and how pleased you were when he was sacked. And you WERE please, weren’t you? I was because it was long overdue!

Did that mean you felt sacking Wenger was going to be a magic wand? Did you bollocks so why assume those who wanted Emery out thought it would be?

Were you not chuffed when the board finally got shot of Wenger? I bloody was!

Don’t be a hypocrite. The way you’ve written on here about Wenger and Arteta is just as bad as anything I’ve read by others on Emery, so why rub it in so much?

[SteveO 35]

OK.....maybe the bit about being the sole person to blame was wrong. However, there was much delight on here when he got the sack.....so if all those people thought he wasn't solely to blame, why the delight? Some hope that a magic wand would take the owner out of the equation and a novice would do better? You know people were chuffed when he left!

Read what you wrote above but put it in the context of Wenger and how pleased you were when he was sacked. And you WERE please, weren’t you? I was because it was long overdue!

Did that mean you felt sacking Wenger was going to be a magic wand? Did you bollocks so why assume those who wanted Emery out thought it would be?

Were you not chuffed when the board finally got shot of Wenger? I bloody was!

Don’t be a hypocrite. The way you’ve written on here about Wenger and Arteta is just as bad as anything I’ve read by others on Emery, so why rub it in so much?

Mate, Arsene Wenger was here for 22 years......and for much of the last 10, and certainly all of the last 5, practically every single person on this forum wanted him out. Of course we were chuffed! It was like Groundhog Day season after season - a man clearly past his sell by date, doing the same things year in, year out and hoping that one day it might change. Pretty much the definition of insanity. I'd say after that many years all of us were rightfully chuffed, wouldn't you? There comes a time when you have to try something different.

However, I said (and many agreed at the time) that whoever was inheriting that cluster fuck after all those years surely needed at least 2 years (and four full windows) to sort that out. Now clearly if they did a Frank de Boer and couldn't buy a point, 2 years (even 1 year) would be too long. But can we honestly say that a season and a third, when you finished 5th (higher than Wenger's last season) and had one dodgy run when we dropped to 8th......was sackable form, only a third way through the second season. Not for me, sorry. If Emery had carried on finishing 8th or lower after two full years and not sorting out the squad, I'd have been joining all those wanting him out too.

How you can compare the reaction to the sacking of a manager after a decade of underachievement versus 15 months of the new man is beyond me - particularly when you yourself would have been one of the more well reasoned posters who would have understood the shit storm that was being inherited.

Having said all that though, you'd have often found me here saying that whilst it was ok sacking Wenger, the biggest c.unt at the club was (and still is) the owner and I chased off a few of the Red Action cocks on here that gave it the large against Usmanov whilst shamelessly backing the takeover from this c.unt. So, yes I was happy Wenger went for 10 years of under achievement but that delight won't come close to how I'll celebrate if Stan Kroenke sells up

[g88ner]

OK.....maybe the bit about being the sole person to blame was wrong. However, there was much delight on here when he got the sack.....so if all those people thought he wasn't solely to blame, why the delight? Some hope that a magic wand would take the owner out of the equation and a novice would do better? You know people were chuffed when he left!

Read what you wrote above but put it in the context of Wenger and how pleased you were when he was sacked. And you WERE please, weren’t you? I was because it was long overdue!

Did that mean you felt sacking Wenger was going to be a magic wand? Did you bollocks so why assume those who wanted Emery out thought it would be?

Were you not chuffed when the board finally got shot of Wenger? I bloody was!

Don’t be a hypocrite. The way you’ve written on here about Wenger and Arteta is just as bad as anything I’ve read by others on Emery, so why rub it in so much?

Mate, Arsene Wenger was here for 22 years......and for much of the last 10, and certainly all of the last 5, practically every single person on this forum wanted him out. Of course we were chuffed! It was like Groundhog Day season after season - a man clearly past his sell by date, doing the same things year in, year out and hoping that one day it might change. Pretty much the definition of insanity. I'd say after that many years all of us were rightfully chuffed, wouldn't you? There comes a time when you have to try something different.

However, I said (and many agreed at the time) that whoever was inheriting that cluster fuck after all those years surely needed at least 2 years (and four full windows) to sort that out. Now clearly if they did a Frank de Boer and couldn't buy a point, 2 years (even 1 year) would be too long. But can we honestly say that a season and a third, when you finished 5th (higher than Wenger's last season) and had one dodgy run when we dropped to 8th......was sackable form, only a third way through the first season. Not for me, sorry. If Emery had carried on finishing 8th or lower after two full years and not sorting out the squad, I'd have been joining all those wanting him out too.

How you can compare the reaction to the sacking of a manager after a decade of underachievement versus 15 months of the new man is beyond me - particularly when you yourself would have been one of the more well reasoned posters who would have understood the shit storm that was being inherited.

Having said all that though, you'd have often found me here saying that whilst it was ok sacking Wenger, the biggest c.unt at the club was (and still is) the owner and I chased off a few of the Red Action cocks on here that gave it the large against Usmanov whilst shamelessly backing the takeover from this c.unt. So, yes I was happy Wenger went for 10 years of under achievement but that delight won't come close to how I'll celebrate if Stan Kroenke sells up

No, your point is that the fans were delighted because they thought sacking emery was a magic wand.

I’m calling bullshit on that view

The point I’m making is that you didn’t think sacking Wenger was a magic wand either, so why are you so convinced our fanbase thought sacking emery was a magic wand?

[SteveO 35]

OK.....maybe the bit about being the sole person to blame was wrong. However, there was much delight on here when he got the sack.....so if all those people thought he wasn't solely to blame, why the delight? Some hope that a magic wand would take the owner out of the equation and a novice would do better? You know people were chuffed when he left!

Read what you wrote above but put it in the context of Wenger and how pleased you were when he was sacked. And you WERE please, weren’t you? I was because it was long overdue!

Did that mean you felt sacking Wenger was going to be a magic wand? Did you bollocks so why assume those who wanted Emery out thought it would be?

Were you not chuffed when the board finally got shot of Wenger? I bloody was!

Don’t be a hypocrite. The way you’ve written on here about Wenger and Arteta is just as bad as anything I’ve read by others on Emery, so why rub it in so much?

Mate, Arsene Wenger was here for 22 years......and for much of the last 10, and certainly all of the last 5, practically every single person on this forum wanted him out. Of course we were chuffed! It was like Groundhog Day season after season - a man clearly past his sell by date, doing the same things year in, year out and hoping that one day it might change. Pretty much the definition of insanity. I'd say after that many years all of us were rightfully chuffed, wouldn't you? There comes a time when you have to try something different.

However, I said (and many agreed at the time) that whoever was inheriting that cluster fuck after all those years surely needed at least 2 years (and four full windows) to sort that out. Now clearly if they did a Frank de Boer and couldn't buy a point, 2 years (even 1 year) would be too long. But can we honestly say that a season and a third, when you finished 5th (higher than Wenger's last season) and had one dodgy run when we dropped to 8th......was sackable form, only a third way through the first season. Not for me, sorry. If Emery had carried on finishing 8th or lower after two full years and not sorting out the squad, I'd have been joining all those wanting him out too.

How you can compare the reaction to the sacking of a manager after a decade of underachievement versus 15 months of the new man is beyond me - particularly when you yourself would have been one of the more well reasoned posters who would have understood the shit storm that was being inherited.

Having said all that though, you'd have often found me here saying that whilst it was ok sacking Wenger, the biggest c.unt at the club was (and still is) the owner and I chased off a few of the Red Action cocks on here that gave it the large against Usmanov whilst shamelessly backing the takeover from this c.unt. So, yes I was happy Wenger went for 10 years of under achievement but that delight won't come close to how I'll celebrate if Stan Kroenke sells up

No, your point is that the fans were delighted because they thought sacking emery was a magic wand.

I’m calling bullshit on that view

The point I’m making is that you didn’t think sacking Wenger was a magic wand either, so why are you so convinced our fanbase thought sacking emery was a magic wand?

Thanks for telling me what point I'm making

I didn't mention anything about Wenger - you brought his name up, and I've given you a clear reason as to the differences involved. I never once said sacking Wenger was a magic wand, quite the opposite. However, given 10 years of making the same mistakes I think we were entitled to think someone might improve upon that. There was hope, people were fatigued. However, I didn't understand the same rationale being applied to a guy who had been here for 15 months, finished 5th, had fuck all to spend, and got us to the EL final. However, after just 15 months so many people were delighted to see the back of him, they must have assumed there would be a 'magic wand' effect.......otherwise why be so happy?

[g88ner]

OK.....maybe the bit about being the sole person to blame was wrong. However, there was much delight on here when he got the sack.....so if all those people thought he wasn't solely to blame, why the delight? Some hope that a magic wand would take the owner out of the equation and a novice would do better? You know people were chuffed when he left!

Read what you wrote above but put it in the context of Wenger and how pleased you were when he was sacked. And you WERE please, weren’t you? I was because it was long overdue!

Did that mean you felt sacking Wenger was going to be a magic wand? Did you bollocks so why assume those who wanted Emery out thought it would be?

Were you not chuffed when the board finally got shot of Wenger? I bloody was!

Don’t be a hypocrite. The way you’ve written on here about Wenger and Arteta is just as bad as anything I’ve read by others on Emery, so why rub it in so much?

Mate, Arsene Wenger was here for 22 years......and for much of the last 10, and certainly all of the last 5, practically every single person on this forum wanted him out. Of course we were chuffed! It was like Groundhog Day season after season - a man clearly past his sell by date, doing the same things year in, year out and hoping that one day it might change. Pretty much the definition of insanity. I'd say after that many years all of us were rightfully chuffed, wouldn't you? There comes a time when you have to try something different.

However, I said (and many agreed at the time) that whoever was inheriting that cluster fuck after all those years surely needed at least 2 years (and four full windows) to sort that out. Now clearly if they did a Frank de Boer and couldn't buy a point, 2 years (even 1 year) would be too long. But can we honestly say that a season and a third, when you finished 5th (higher than Wenger's last season) and had one dodgy run when we dropped to 8th......was sackable form, only a third way through the first season. Not for me, sorry. If Emery had carried on finishing 8th or lower after two full years and not sorting out the squad, I'd have been joining all those wanting him out too.

How you can compare the reaction to the sacking of a manager after a decade of underachievement versus 15 months of the new man is beyond me - particularly when you yourself would have been one of the more well reasoned posters who would have understood the shit storm that was being inherited.

Having said all that though, you'd have often found me here saying that whilst it was ok sacking Wenger, the biggest c.unt at the club was (and still is) the owner and I chased off a few of the Red Action cocks on here that gave it the large against Usmanov whilst shamelessly backing the takeover from this c.unt. So, yes I was happy Wenger went for 10 years of under achievement but that delight won't come close to how I'll celebrate if Stan Kroenke sells up

No, your point is that the fans were delighted because they thought sacking emery was a magic wand.

I’m calling bullshit on that view

The point I’m making is that you didn’t think sacking Wenger was a magic wand either, so why are you so convinced our fanbase thought sacking emery was a magic wand?

Thanks for telling me what point I'm making

I didn't mention anything about Wenger - you brought his name up, and I've given you a clear reason as to the differences involved. I never once said sacking Wenger was a magic wand, quite the opposite. However, given 10 years of making the same mistakes I think we were entitled to think someone might improve upon that. There was hope, people were fatigued. However, I didn't understand the same rationale being applied to a guy who had been here for 15 months, finished 5th, had fuck all to spend, and got us to the EL final. However, after just 15 months so many people were delighted to see the back of him, they must have assumed there would be a 'magic wand' effect.......otherwise why be so happy?

Oh my fucking god, you’re trolling me ffs I give up.