El Reenghole v El Beige Europa Semi 1st Leg Thurs 29th April KO 8 in the ebeneeng

[SteveO 35]

I liked Emery from day one and were glad we appointed him, the thought of Arteta filled me with bile.

It had no basis in any logic other than being one of peps many assistants. He wasn't even a club legend ffs (not that I'd want an unproven one, but you could maybe understand why a club legend gets appointed)...a good solid midfielder in our years of rapid decline, so not exactly difficult to stand out, who carried on 2 seasons too long when his legs had gone and became a liability. He should have no credit on the bank from anyone.

However Emery was the wrong man at wrong time in hindsight. I was at the game Laca equalized in the last minute i thonk, and no one knew what to do, celebrate or not as it was in a run of utter dross performances on the pitch with us seemingly having no tactics, no plan and no idea and it was clear Dick had lost it, be it the players or simply not being up to it, but he has to go.

This however doesn't in anyway mean he wasn't better than the flange in charge now. He has even less idea on tactics, plan, system, progress than Dick and is a absolute disaster, but that doesn't make Dick any better come the end of his tenure.

Both were/are not the right men at the times appointed for the club. I thought Dick might have been but ultimately not, his fault or not.

I see plenty on here (all bar Rob and Thynker) wanting Arteta gone, but o need to rewrite history and pretend dick was the man. Give me a choice of both and i'd have kept Dick no question, but it was a choice akin to being shat on or puked on.

I understand Stevos anger, about Arteta breaking all these bad records with impunity, but what does he expect with this board (all the shit they let wenger get away with and drag us down) and our retarded fan base.

The same fans who think Arteta has a system, and we are making progress are the very same as those who excused Wenger and wanted him to remain. We have to accept our Fan base on the whole is a load of wankers.

Nice post mate. The record he should be most proud of course is this one........

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/footb ... a-23973225

Even this forum will struggle to find someone who remembers that campaign from 91 years ago! Nine HOME defeats FFS - almost unthinkable. Seven of those in the league which is worse than Brighton, Burnley, Palace and Newcastle.

All hail the record breaker!

When people say he won't get us relegated I'd admire their confidence because this goon is hitting depths not seen in almost a century, so don't rule anything out. Those teams I've listed above are all perennial relegation candidates and we've been saved by half a dozen games by the kids around Christmas

[Redarmy]

There's no rose tinted specs about it - we didn't win a trophy and we didn't qualify for the CL and he made a number of mistakes and went on a bad run of form. I just don't think it was anywhere near as bad as people have made out - it was an improvement on Wenger's last season and better than anything since then. £40m was the net transfer kitty when he first took the job on, and then the Pepe transfer came later. The €72m is a nonsense figure as it was something like €20m up front - which is why we bought him and not Zaha as Palace would never have settled for a deal spread over years

Maybe I was wrong about the relegation thing, but the fact that we're even talking about it (and most people on here were when we were 15th just before Xmas) shows how much we've declined.....in fact it illustrates the gap between the two managers perfectly. One gets slammed for blowing an easy run to finish top four, and the other didn't get us relegated but will still end up leading us to our lowest finish since the mid 90s.

The guy is clueless - utterly clueless. The worst Arsenal manager I've seen in all my years of supporting the club by quite some distance - and that certainly isn't bollocks

I'd argue Don Howe was worse mate.

He and Arteta maybe cut from the same cloth? Both good coaches but not good managers?

Don was a great coach and really nice guy, friends with the players but was not a manager

[augie]

There's no rose tinted specs about it - we didn't win a trophy and we didn't qualify for the CL and he made a number of mistakes and went on a bad run of form. I just don't think it was anywhere near as bad as people have made out - it was an improvement on Wenger's last season and better than anything since then. £40m was the net transfer kitty when he first took the job on, and then the Pepe transfer came later. The €72m is a nonsense figure as it was something like €20m up front - which is why we bought him and not Zaha as Palace would never have settled for a deal spread over years

Maybe I was wrong about the relegation thing, but the fact that we're even talking about it (and most people on here were when we were 15th just before Xmas) shows how much we've declined.....in fact it illustrates the gap between the two managers perfectly. One gets slammed for blowing an easy run to finish top four, and the other didn't get us relegated but will still end up leading us to our lowest finish since the mid 90s.

The guy is clueless - utterly clueless. The worst Arsenal manager I've seen in all my years of supporting the club by quite some distance - and that certainly isn't bollocks

I'd argue Don Howe was worse mate.

He and Arteta maybe cut from the same cloth? Both good coaches but not good managers?

I understand why people would want to find something positive to see about pep's cone boy so as not to be seen as totally rubbishing the guy, but again I would seriously disagree with/question that bit - on what basis are we judging that on ? He was working with david silva, sergio aguero, de bruyne etc, and they were already top quality players before he got there. He was working with one of the most dominant and single minded managers in the game, and pep was the one picking the team, working out tactics etc, so how do so many fans proclaim he to be a good coach when his influence was probably marginal at best ? Since he joined us he has now got the power to pick teams, decide tactics, make changes etc, and he has shown zero ability in all of the above, so again I would suggest that people who claim him to be a good coach, are doing so more to be nice than basing it on anything genuine

[BFG4]

Regardless of what happens here, I don't see us winning the competition, and the knock on effect will be huge. Apart from not having European football to attract anyone to the club, we are dealing with an already absentee owner of the club who is now unsure of his future and will be further reducing the miniscule amount we generally spend in the summer. Also With Arteta proving to be as clueless as he is, it's not too hard to imagine we could be in a relegation battle next season.

[SteveO 35]

Regardless of what happens here, I don't see us winning the competition, and the knock on effect will be huge. Apart from not having European football to attract anyone to the club, we are dealing with an already absentee owner of the club who is now unsure of his future and will be further reducing the miniscule amount we generally spend in the summer. Also With Arteta proving to be as clueless as he is, it's not too hard to imagine we could be in a relegation battle next season.

Exactly how I see it mate - the reality is that the EL is a loss making competition and won't be missed by Kroenke (the big drop from missing out on the CL is now ancient history) and a few PL places won't make much difference. Only relegation would be a disaster, so i don't see any change from the (non) investment strategy of the past decade.

I can remember a time when predictions of finishing outside the top 4 were rubbished (owing to the quality of the rest of the teams), let alone missing out on Europe, or even the top half and yet Kroenke has allowed us to become that club. The PL is a billionaire's playground. Fuck me, even Burnley are getting bought out and will be injected with cash these days, so who is to say that a club like that can't overtake us.....they're only 10 points behind us now.

It wasn't long ago that the very thought of getting overtaken by Everton, West Ham, Leicester, Leeds and Aston Villa would have provoked hilarity, but the very real prospect of finishing below all five of them now exists. Wolves are five points behind with an infinitely more ambitious owner and manager, one day Newcastle will finally sort their shit out and be rid of Ashley, and it probably only leaves 3 or 4 more clubs getting new owners (as has been the trend for a decade), and we will be down there fishing around with the likes of Fulham and West Brom.

Even if relegation doesn't happen next season, it will just be a matter of time. A zero owner investment model doesn't work in the 2020s.

[Clummo99]

There's no rose tinted specs about it - we didn't win a trophy and we didn't qualify for the CL and he made a number of mistakes and went on a bad run of form. I just don't think it was anywhere near as bad as people have made out - it was an improvement on Wenger's last season and better than anything since then. £40m was the net transfer kitty when he first took the job on, and then the Pepe transfer came later. The €72m is a nonsense figure as it was something like €20m up front - which is why we bought him and not Zaha as Palace would never have settled for a deal spread over years

Maybe I was wrong about the relegation thing, but the fact that we're even talking about it (and most people on here were when we were 15th just before Xmas) shows how much we've declined.....in fact it illustrates the gap between the two managers perfectly. One gets slammed for blowing an easy run to finish top four, and the other didn't get us relegated but will still end up leading us to our lowest finish since the mid 90s.

The guy is clueless - utterly clueless. The worst Arsenal manager I've seen in all my years of supporting the club by quite some distance - and that certainly isn't bollocks

I'd argue Don Howe was worse mate.

He and Arteta maybe cut from the same cloth? Both good coaches but not good managers?

I understand why people would want to find something positive to see about pep's cone boy so as not to be seen as totally rubbishing the guy, but again I would seriously disagree with/question that bit - on what basis are we judging that on ? He was working with david silva, sergio aguero, de bruyne etc, and they were already top quality players before he got there. He was working with one of the most dominant and single minded managers in the game, and pep was the one picking the team, working out tactics etc, so how do so many fans proclaim he to be a good coach when his influence was probably marginal at best ? Since he joined us he has now got the power to pick teams, decide tactics, make changes etc, and he has shown zero ability in all of the above, so again I would suggest that people who claim him to be a good coach, are doing so more to be nice than basing it on anything genuine

The genuine fact mate is that he is thought very highly of within the game. By people that know far more about him than any of us. The ability to pick teams, decide tactics, make changes etc is the job of a manager which is where he seems to lack ability. Coaches don't perform those tasks but are skills that can come with experience.

It's a given fact that he worked tirelessly coaching Sterling one to one and improved many aspects of his game.

[SteveO 35]

There's no rose tinted specs about it - we didn't win a trophy and we didn't qualify for the CL and he made a number of mistakes and went on a bad run of form. I just don't think it was anywhere near as bad as people have made out - it was an improvement on Wenger's last season and better than anything since then. £40m was the net transfer kitty when he first took the job on, and then the Pepe transfer came later. The €72m is a nonsense figure as it was something like €20m up front - which is why we bought him and not Zaha as Palace would never have settled for a deal spread over years

Maybe I was wrong about the relegation thing, but the fact that we're even talking about it (and most people on here were when we were 15th just before Xmas) shows how much we've declined.....in fact it illustrates the gap between the two managers perfectly. One gets slammed for blowing an easy run to finish top four, and the other didn't get us relegated but will still end up leading us to our lowest finish since the mid 90s.

The guy is clueless - utterly clueless. The worst Arsenal manager I've seen in all my years of supporting the club by quite some distance - and that certainly isn't bollocks

I'd argue Don Howe was worse mate.

He and Arteta maybe cut from the same cloth? Both good coaches but not good managers?

I understand why people would want to find something positive to see about pep's cone boy so as not to be seen as totally rubbishing the guy, but again I would seriously disagree with/question that bit - on what basis are we judging that on ? He was working with david silva, sergio aguero, de bruyne etc, and they were already top quality players before he got there. He was working with one of the most dominant and single minded managers in the game, and pep was the one picking the team, working out tactics etc, so how do so many fans proclaim he to be a good coach when his influence was probably marginal at best ? Since he joined us he has now got the power to pick teams, decide tactics, make changes etc, and he has shown zero ability in all of the above, so again I would suggest that people who claim him to be a good coach, are doing so more to be nice than basing it on anything genuine

The genuine fact mate is that he is thought very highly of within the game. By people that know far more about him than any of us. The ability to pick teams, decide tactics, make changes etc is the job of a manager which is where he seems to lack ability. Coaches don't perform those tasks but are skills that can come with experience.

Yeah i'd probably give him the benefit of the doubt on the coaching front. City could have had their pick of the world's top coaches and can hire and fire who they want, when they want, and I think there was genuine respective for his coaching up there. Whilst I accept Augie's point about the quality of those players, in this day and age if he was a shit coach those players wouldn't put up with it and he would have been gone. He should have carried on coaching in that environment for another 2-3 years and then taken on a Championship club as manager, before hopefully paving the way for a PL team a couple more years down the line from that.

Separating yourself from the senior players is a hard job when you've only just finished as a player, and the loyalty shown to people like Xhaka, Leno, Willian, Elneny, Luiz etc will end up costing him, because he has the stubborness and naivety that inexperience brings which prevents him from seeing differently. Armed with 5 years coaching experience and 3 years managerial experience, he could have struck a claim in his mid 40s to be our manager providing those crucial steps had been taken, but sadly neither we or he have a time machine and so we're stuck with him making the biggest of mistakes on the job. One season won't make much difference either if he's allowed to carry on next season, in much the same way someone who is 1 year into any apprenticeship doesn't make manager

[Clummo99]

There's also the factor of the people surrounding him, his coaching staff. I'll be honest and say I'd never heard of a single one before they joined us and even now I struggle to recall any of their names. The calibre and experience of these people is an unknown to me. They have his ear and will be having an input on team selection etc.

[SteveO 35]

There's also the factor of the people surrounding him, his coaching staff. I'll be honest and say I'd never heard of a single one before they joined us and even now I struggle to recall any of their names. The calibre and experience of these people is an unknown to me. They have his ear and will be having an input on team selection etc.

Indeed - where there's a successful younger manager you'll normally find an experienced hand on his shoulder

[Clummo99]

There's also the factor of the people surrounding him, his coaching staff. I'll be honest and say I'd never heard of a single one before they joined us and even now I struggle to recall any of their names. The calibre and experience of these people is an unknown to me. They have his ear and will be having an input on team selection etc.

Indeed - where there's a successful younger manager you'll normally find an experienced hand on his shoulder

Exactly mate. As far as I know Steve Bould is the most experienced individual and he works with the kids.

[the playing mantis]

this is a good point d ive thought about it in the past, who are hi no mark team? journeyman Steve Round ffs?

[SteveO 35]

I'm afraid its another thing you learn with age and experience - surround yourself with people who are better than you and compensate for your own weaknesses. The insecurity of youth takes the alternative approach - surround yourself with 'yes' men who tell you how good you are

Everything he does I recognise in first time managers learning on the job......and ironing out those things can take years.

[mcdowell42]

Arteta says Aubameyang, Lacazette, Luiz and Tierney are all in contention to play tomorrow.

[rodders999]

Arteta says Aubameyang, Lacazette, Luiz and Tierney are all in contention to play tomorrow.

GET FUCKING IN

[DB10GOONER]

Arteta says Aubameyang, Lacazette, Luiz and Tierney are all in contention to play tomorrow.

GET FUCKING IN

Did you not see Sideshow Chav's name in that list?