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So you honestly believe that Arteta will learn from his mistakes and improve both himself and the squad..... based on what exactly?
IF we had a Manager, Director of Football and Owners i trusted then i would be singing their praises for signing the youngsters on long term deals, as in normal circumstances the way things are going they are looking to build a young squad to take the team forward over the next 5 or so years but, and it is a big but, Arteta especially has no experience of this sort of Management and as for the Wiggy *word censored* i DO NOT TRUST THEM to keep their word, they have shown absolutely nothing since they took over to give me the impression that they are ambitious and have footballing success as a target and signing a few yongsters with high value future potential does nothing to ease my concerns.
As i said, prove me wrong, show me exactly where and how Arteta has shown that he can become a great Manager
Finally, we still have not addressed the right back or striker issue from last season and we have an unknown player from the Belgian league in beside Partey who was hardly a roaring success himself, i am far from convinced that we have strengthened where we need to yet, hopefully by the close of the window we may have those issues addressed but i am not holding my breath, add in the distinct lack of departures of the totally shit players and in my opinion there is still plenty to be concerned about.
I didn't give my opinion on Arteta, Edu and the rest.
I completely agree with what you say but tieing players to long contracts is best practice in football. It's not just about signing them up to play for the club, it's also about being prudent and protecting your investment in them no matter what age they are.
Just because I sometimes post a counter argument doesn't necessarily mean it's my opinion. I can be playing devil's advocate to stimulate a debate.
You're an intelligent fella Muzz, that's obvious from your posts. I believe in facts not conjecture. I've said many times before that we are on the outside so we aren't privy to the full information.
But Augie all that is just your opinion based on what we've seen so far and your well concealed loathing of Arteta.
None of that has any basis in fact and is just conjecture.
" I believe in facts not conjecture"
Those are your words buddy so lets look at the facts -
Within fcuk all time of pep's water boy taking the job I expressed real concerns about his treatment of young players, and martinelli & guendouzi in particular - those concerns were dismissed by many as b.ullshit until the last few months of the season when the exclusion of martinelli began to anger a lot of fans. I've heard the bullshit about guendouzi's attitude and some fans believe that he is a shit player, but for me it doesnt matter if he isnt the next PV4, cos all that matters is that he is better than el ninny, ceballos and xhaka, and these players were preferred to him. Has he got a bit of an edge to him ? Absolutely he has, but with the right coaching and mentoring that could have been ironed out of him, and we have had young players before him with attitude issues worse than him, and they were brought around. Last season we had so many meaningless games in the last few months but pep's water boy refused to give balogun or azeez a chance at all. Nelson has been pushed so far down the pecking list that he has been overlooked in favour of a chav reject only interested in padding his pension. The plan of moving smith-rowe from the number 10 position isnt over yet either.
All of the above is fact
As you have said previously, when we dont know inside the club all we can do is go by what we see, and what I see is a manager that either doesnt rate the young players in question, or wants to go with a more experienced team, but either way it isnt promising for the younger players. My opposition to peps cone boy existed before he got the job was based on nothing more than his lack of experience, and was nothing personal. My opposition now is based on nothing more than his obvious inability to do the job.
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The idea that Arteta has some of kind of an issue with young players is far fetched. There were obvious attitude issues with Guendouzi which goes far beyond having a bit of a spike. There were issues between him and the coaching staff in Dubai and whatever happened after the Brighton game and his refusal to apologise was the last straw. I don't think any manager would take such sh*t from a young player who has achieved f*ck all. Hell Arteta didn't even spare Auba and publicly slandered him for lack of discipline (wrongly in my opinion).
There is a lot is sympathy for Saliba among fans and rightfully so but none of us have seen him play enough to make a judgement on whether he is good enough. The fact that we paid close to 30 million on a 19 yr old center back is not Arteta's fault and that kind of fuels the outrage. No one would think twice if Saliba was just another player with potential being sent out on loan.
Nelson, Eddie, AMN have been given enough chances and most agree they are just not good enough.
I agree that Arteta has got it wrong with Martinelli and there is no justification to play Willian and Auba (from the left) over him but I see Martinelli as a player with a lot of raw talent but who is not a finished article yet. Its still early days to make a judgement that Arteta doesn't fancy him.
You just need to look at the minutes that Saka and ESR got last season to know that young players will be given a chance if they are good enough. There was in fact over reliance on Saka.
A great argument with excellent points. Very similar to how I assess things.
Unfortunately the naysayers will counter with the fact that Arteta was forced to play ESR so that doesn't count.
Your take on the Guendouzi, Saliba and Martinelli are just about spot on too imo.
Far too many people adamantly state things as fact when they are nothing more than personal opinion and conjecture, both of which they are fully entitled to of course.
I once threatened to drag my manager over his desk when I thought he was being overly harsh in a disagreement. I was smart enough not to do it with witnesses around but he managed to find a valid reason to sack me eventually.
The idea that Arteta has some of kind of an issue with young players is far fetched. There were obvious attitude issues with Guendouzi which goes far beyond having a bit of a spike. There were issues between him and the coaching staff in Dubai and whatever happened after the Brighton game and his refusal to apologise was the last straw. I don't think any manager would take such sh*t from a young player who has achieved f*ck all. Hell Arteta didn't even spare Auba and publicly slandered him for lack of discipline (wrongly in my opinion).
There is a lot is sympathy for Saliba among fans and rightfully so but none of us have seen him play enough to make a judgement on whether he is good enough. The fact that we paid close to 30 million on a 19 yr old center back is not Arteta's fault and that kind of fuels the outrage. No one would think twice if Saliba was just another player with potential being sent out on loan.
Nelson, Eddie, AMN have been given enough chances and most agree they are just not good enough.
I agree that Arteta has got it wrong with Martinelli and there is no justification to play Willian and Auba (from the left) over him but I see Martinelli as a player with a lot of raw talent but who is not a finished article yet. Its still early days to make a judgement that Arteta doesn't fancy him.
You just need to look at the minutes that Saka and ESR got last season to know that young players will be given a chance if they are good enough. There was in fact over reliance on Saka.
Saliba given zero chance and donkeys like mustafi preferred over him
guendouzi relegated to the bench almost straight away with preference given to xhaka, ceballos and elnenny. Wasnt a word of discipline issues when emery was there, but as soon as arteta is there all these stories are floated. People say we cant talk and believe rumours about things we dont know, yet the dubai story and the offering arteta out stories are taken as gospel For the record if we sign Aouar I would consider that as a big upgrade on guendouzi and will be on board with his sale - if however we start the season with 2 from partey, elnenny and xhaka, then obviously I will still see the guendouzi sale as petty
I would love to see where all those chances nelson has had under arteta - reality check for you ..... he got fcuk all chances. If you doubt me you can go and get his stats cos they will back up the fact that he has been squeezed out by this clown
Also isnt it very convenient for people like you to point at the minutes smith rowe got last season as a defence of arteta, when majority of fans acknowledge that he brought in smith-rowe cos injuries and suspensions forced his hand and he had no choice. First chance he got he signed a player on loan and pushed smith-rowe out of his preferred position.
