Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Nos89]

It looks like all this "Conte wouldnt go to AFC" is being shown up for the load of bollox it is - if we gave him a sizeable contract and gave him the power that our transfer team continue to fcuk up anyway, then he wouldnt be joining us instead of the scum down the road He has joined a club with a shit squad and no tradition of winning, and as much of a decline as we have endured in recent seasons, we are still light years ahead of them c.unts

Of course we continue to play it safe. Lets stick with lego head who wont rock the boat. Lets stick with the nice guy who will be great publicly, and be nice to the board as well

The way I read it is that Nuno has been royally fucked over by Levy. Conte wasn't ready to start a new job, so soon after leaving inter, and as soon as he was ready Levy was always going to dump Nuno to appoint Conte. Something that I reckon Kane was told about on the quiet by Levy. Conte was never going to Manure.

[OneBardGooner]

Sounds about right !

[gooner265]

It looks like all this "Conte wouldnt go to AFC" is being shown up for the load of bollox it is - if we gave him a sizeable contract and gave him the power that our transfer team continue to fcuk up anyway, then he wouldnt be joining us instead of the scum down the road He has joined a club with a shit squad and no tradition of winning, and as much of a decline as we have endured in recent seasons, we are still light years ahead of them c.unts

Of course we continue to play it safe. Lets stick with lego head who wont rock the boat. Lets stick with the nice guy who will be great publicly, and be nice to the board as well

Transfer team have done well this season to be fair so far anyway. Conte us no guarantee for success , can see him falling out with Levy after 18 months.

I listened to the Off The Ball podcast yesterday morning where they played a small clip of henry interviewing conte some time back - in the clip conte said that he expects his players to show total commitment and that if they dont he wants to kill them This is the attraction to conte for me - yes there is no guarantee of success, but is there a guarantee with any manager ? I want a manager that will come in and ruffle some feathers from players who have lived on easy street for far too long. I want a manager that will shake up a board and owner who have been on easy street for far too long, and even though it would be a battle that he would not win, at least he will take them on and maybe bring it into the public eye more. I want a manager that values hard work and total commitment and does not suffer fools gladly. I want a winner as manager, and by that I mean has a winning mentality and would sell his granny if it helped him win.

I would always refer to the likes of conte as a "hit and run manager" - you know that it will only be a 2 or 3 year term as manager, but if he sets us on right path I dont care

Agree no manager us a guarantee and Conte was the man I wanted as well especially after Emery with so many bad influences around . We do seem to building a good team ethic now and got rid of most if them apart from the obvious 2 still there.
Time will tell

[Gunner Rob]

i am not sure we are much further on this season with Arteta than we were last season.

we drew at home to Palace last season, we beat Leicester away last season.
apart from adding a couple of better players - Ramsdale and Tommy, Arteta has shown that he isnt really any better at in game management than he was a year ago.

Still the results are promising - just dont expect a result at Anfield in a few weeks time!

[augie]

i am not sure we are much further on this season with Arteta than we were last season.

we drew at home to Palace last season, we beat Leicester away last season.
apart from adding a couple of better players - Ramsdale and Tommy, Arteta has shown that he isnt really any better at in game management than he was a year ago.

Still the results are promising - just dont expect a result at Anfield in a few weeks time!

We drew against brighton and were so very lucky to scrape a draw against palace. We beat leicester cos of a once in a lifetime performance from ramsdale. The other positive results you refer to were against norwich, a scum team everyone is beating, burnley, and two lower league teams in league cup. Injuries to the swiss turd and odeargod have forced his hand somewhat, and we now have a more balanced team but I still expect him to fcuk that up by getting his favourites back into the starting line up asap

[Jayives]

I see the list of games we “got lucky in” seems to be growing game by game.

A joy to see. Hopefully another one added this weekend

[gooner265]

i am not sure we are much further on this season with Arteta than we were last season.

we drew at home to Palace last season, we beat Leicester away last season.
apart from adding a couple of better players - Ramsdale and Tommy, Arteta has shown that he isnt really any better at in game management than he was a year ago.

Still the results are promising - just dont expect a result at Anfield in a few weeks time!

We drew against brighton and were so very lucky to scrape a draw against palace. We beat leicester cos of a once in a lifetime performance from ramsdale. The other positive results you refer to were against norwich, a scum team everyone is beating, burnley, and two lower league teams in league cup. Injuries to the swiss turd and odeargod have forced his hand somewhat, and we now have a more balanced team but I still expect him to fcuk that up by getting his favourites back into the starting line up asap

Is that the Brighton that drew against the scousers and Palace who beat City last week.
Jesus just enjoy a little bit of success , there's clear improvement let's hope it continues.

[GoonerMuzz]

For some a dislike/hatred of Arteta will always overshadow any success, lucky or otherwise, the team is having.

I'm not sure what my personal target to call it a successful season is for him, but I think the Victims game will be an indicator of where we are, I want to see us take them on, not cower from them, I'd rather lose whilst battling to win than sit back and let them batter the fuck out of us. If he is to gain any credibility we need to be willing to take on the best teams, if we are to have an aim of being in Europe and being successful then we have to face up to teams 'better' than us.

[nut flush gooner]

For some a dislike/hatred of Arteta will always overshadow any success, lucky or otherwise, the team is having.

I'm not sure what my personal target to call it a successful season is for him, but I think the Victims game will be an indicator of where we are, I want to see us take them on, not cower from them, I'd rather lose whilst battling to win than sit back and let them batter the fuck out of us. If he is to gain any credibility we need to be willing to take on the best teams, if we are to have an aim of being in Europe and being successful then we have to face up to teams 'better' than us.

I agree, not getting arse fucked at the victim's gaff is definitely more of an indication of whether Arteta is building something as opposed to some of the games we have won on our recent good run. Even a narrow loss, but going down showing a bit of spirit is fine for me.

Arteta should have been sacked after the Villareal game, but they've given him more time than most clubs, and right now things are OK. If we finish top 6 then considering where we were in August I don't think anyone can complain. Of course, the usual suspects will carry on with the agenda, which makes this thread excruciatingly difficult to read and comment on.

[SteveO 35]

For some a dislike/hatred of Arteta will always overshadow any success, lucky or otherwise, the team is having.

I'm not sure what my personal target to call it a successful season is for him, but I think the Victims game will be an indicator of where we are, I want to see us take them on, not cower from them, I'd rather lose whilst battling to win than sit back and let them batter the fuck out of us. If he is to gain any credibility we need to be willing to take on the best teams, if we are to have an aim of being in Europe and being successful then we have to face up to teams 'better' than us.

I agree, not getting arse fucked at the victim's gaff is definitely more of an indication of whether Arteta is building something as opposed to some of the games we have won on our recent good run. Even a narrow loss, but going down showing a bit of spirit is fine for me.

Arteta should have been sacked after the Villareal game, but they've given him more time than most clubs, and right now things are OK. If we finish top 6 then considering where we were in August I don't think anyone can complain. Of course, the usual suspects will carry on with the agenda, which makes this thread excruciatingly difficult to read and comment on.

Agreed - we were absolutely pathetic in both games against the Mickeys last season. The 0-3 home defeat was as dreadful as anything served up under either Wenger or Emery, and for me busted the myth about how competitive we are in the 'big games'. The result and performance up at City this season was absolutely as bad too......so absolutely this next game at the Mickeys is a good yardstick. They weren't even in good form last season and we still barely registered a shot in the last meeting.

I don't expect a win or a draw, but if we have supposedly turned a corner with this new look team then surely we should expect to give them as much of a game as West Ham and Brighton did in the last 2 matches? After all, they are the teams that we will likely finish around this season. A thumping up here shows me its the same fragile shit that has been covered up by crap opponents in recent weeks.

[StuartL]

For some a dislike/hatred of Arteta will always overshadow any success, lucky or otherwise, the team is having.

I'm not sure what my personal target to call it a successful season is for him, but I think the Victims game will be an indicator of where we are, I want to see us take them on, not cower from them, I'd rather lose whilst battling to win than sit back and let them batter the fuck out of us. If he is to gain any credibility we need to be willing to take on the best teams, if we are to have an aim of being in Europe and being successful then we have to face up to teams 'better' than us.

I agree, not getting arse fucked at the victim's gaff is definitely more of an indication of whether Arteta is building something as opposed to some of the games we have won on our recent good run. Even a narrow loss, but going down showing a bit of spirit is fine for me.

Arteta should have been sacked after the Villareal game, but they've given him more time than most clubs, and right now things are OK. If we finish top 6 then considering where we were in August I don't think anyone can complain. Of course, the usual suspects will carry on with the agenda, which makes this thread excruciatingly difficult to read and comment on.

Agreed - we were absolutely pathetic in both games against the Mickeys last season. The 0-3 home defeat was as dreadful as anything served up under either Wenger or Emery, and for me busted the myth about how competitive we are in the 'big games'. The result and performance up at City this season was absolutely as bad too......so absolutely this next game at the Mickeys is a good yardstick. They weren't even in good form last season and we still barely registered a shot in the last meeting.

I don't expect a win or a draw, but if we have supposedly turned a corner with this new look team then surely we should expect to give them as much of a game as West Ham and Brighton did in the last 2 matches? After all, they are the teams that we will likely finish around this season. A thumping up here shows me its the same fragile shit that has been covered up by crap opponents in recent weeks.

Will he go all defensive in the hope of minimising the Scousers opportunities and be happy perhaps with a 1-0 or 2-0 defeat or show some balls and have a plan to have a go at them ?
He isn’t usually a brave manager from his selections and substitutions, so I have my doubts that we will “have go at them”

All I ask and expect is that as The Arsenal we don’t just meekly cower and accept defeat as a foregone conclusion.

[SteveO 35]

For some a dislike/hatred of Arteta will always overshadow any success, lucky or otherwise, the team is having.

I'm not sure what my personal target to call it a successful season is for him, but I think the Victims game will be an indicator of where we are, I want to see us take them on, not cower from them, I'd rather lose whilst battling to win than sit back and let them batter the fuck out of us. If he is to gain any credibility we need to be willing to take on the best teams, if we are to have an aim of being in Europe and being successful then we have to face up to teams 'better' than us.

I agree, not getting arse fucked at the victim's gaff is definitely more of an indication of whether Arteta is building something as opposed to some of the games we have won on our recent good run. Even a narrow loss, but going down showing a bit of spirit is fine for me.

Arteta should have been sacked after the Villareal game, but they've given him more time than most clubs, and right now things are OK. If we finish top 6 then considering where we were in August I don't think anyone can complain. Of course, the usual suspects will carry on with the agenda, which makes this thread excruciatingly difficult to read and comment on.

Agreed - we were absolutely pathetic in both games against the Mickeys last season. The 0-3 home defeat was as dreadful as anything served up under either Wenger or Emery, and for me busted the myth about how competitive we are in the 'big games'. The result and performance up at City this season was absolutely as bad too......so absolutely this next game at the Mickeys is a good yardstick. They weren't even in good form last season and we still barely registered a shot in the last meeting.

I don't expect a win or a draw, but if we have supposedly turned a corner with this new look team then surely we should expect to give them as much of a game as West Ham and Brighton did in the last 2 matches? After all, they are the teams that we will likely finish around this season. A thumping up here shows me its the same fragile shit that has been covered up by crap opponents in recent weeks.

Will he go all defensive in the hope of minimising the Scousers opportunities and be happy perhaps with a 1-0 or 2-0 defeat or show some balls and have a plan to have a go at them ?
He isn’t usually a brave manager from his selections and substitutions, so I have my doubts that we will “have go at them”

All I ask and expect is that as The Arsenal we don’t just meekly cower and accept defeat as a foregone conclusion.

I suspect you're right and given how shit they looked at the back against both Brighton and West Ham that will be criminal. Of course we need to defend properly but a team with ESR, Saka, Auba, Lacazette should be creating chances and not scared to have a go. We will see!

[Redarmy]

For some a dislike/hatred of Arteta will always overshadow any success, lucky or otherwise, the team is having.

I'm not sure what my personal target to call it a successful season is for him, but I think the Victims game will be an indicator of where we are, I want to see us take them on, not cower from them, I'd rather lose whilst battling to win than sit back and let them batter the fuck out of us. If he is to gain any credibility we need to be willing to take on the best teams, if we are to have an aim of being in Europe and being successful then we have to face up to teams 'better' than us.

I agree, not getting arse fucked at the victim's gaff is definitely more of an indication of whether Arteta is building something as opposed to some of the games we have won on our recent good run. Even a narrow loss, but going down showing a bit of spirit is fine for me.

Arteta should have been sacked after the Villareal game, but they've given him more time than most clubs, and right now things are OK. If we finish top 6 then considering where we were in August I don't think anyone can complain. Of course, the usual suspects will carry on with the agenda, which makes this thread excruciatingly difficult to read and comment on.

Agreed - we were absolutely pathetic in both games against the Mickeys last season. The 0-3 home defeat was as dreadful as anything served up under either Wenger or Emery, and for me busted the myth about how competitive we are in the 'big games'. The result and performance up at City this season was absolutely as bad too......so absolutely this next game at the Mickeys is a good yardstick. They weren't even in good form last season and we still barely registered a shot in the last meeting.

I don't expect a win or a draw, but if we have supposedly turned a corner with this new look team then surely we should expect to give them as much of a game as West Ham and Brighton did in the last 2 matches? After all, they are the teams that we will likely finish around this season. A thumping up here shows me its the same fragile shit that has been covered up by crap opponents in recent weeks.

Will he go all defensive in the hope of minimising the Scousers opportunities and be happy perhaps with a 1-0 or 2-0 defeat or show some balls and have a plan to have a go at them ?
He isn’t usually a brave manager from his selections and substitutions, so I have my doubts that we will “have go at them”

All I ask and expect is that as The Arsenal we don’t just meekly cower and accept defeat as a foregone conclusion.

Exactly....remember we won the title at Anfield...where George Grahams faith in a result kept us in it....when everyone else wrote us off

fuck those cheating lot.....we can play our stuff up there and hopefully get something for our efforts

[wibble]

Nothing too insightful but a pretty balanced view of our season so far:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59246754

[DB10GOONER]

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