Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[OneBardGooner]

What an arrogant c.unt - "I am the solution not the problem"

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... he-problem

Saw that and thought, "hmmm, augie will love this".

Ah Jesus, don't get him started

Yer about 6 years too late.

[OneBardGooner]

Anyone see this in The Metro?

Part of an interview with Wiggy Jnr:


Arsenal director Josh Kroenke admits it’s difficult to ‘truly relate’ to the passion that supporters have for the club.
Josh, the son of Arsenal owner Stan, has been a director at the club since 2013 and he’s come under-fire in recent years for focusing his attention on the family’s other businesses.

That perception was only enhanced last week as the LA Rams – one of the Kroenke’s other businesses – lifted the Superbowl after beating the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

Kroenke admits last year’s failed Super League plans was a learning curve in understanding the nature of European football fans compared to what he’s accustomed to in the United States.

And he believes that the level of passion that Arsenal fans have for the club is something that is difficult for ‘foreigners’ to comprehend.


Speaking about the collapse of the Super League plans, Kroenke told Road Trippin’: ‘I think that one of the messages that I said to our supporters and I do listen to our supporters over there, I listen to our fans here [in America] with our teams but the level of passion that is involved in European football, and support that goes into these clubs – I don’t wanna say it’s deeper than anything we have over here – but it’s way deeper than anything we have over here.
‘It’s hard to truly relate as an American or a foreigner heading into the UK the passion that really goes on from the people that support these clubs.’

Arsenal were one of six English clubs that committed to playing in the Super League but they pulled out within 48 hours of the announcement after a backlash from supporters.

Kroenke admits the family got the decision wrong and that they had to listen to fans after their reaction to the news.

‘I think that whether or not they fully understood the concept of what we’re trying to do, it didn’t matter,’ said Kroenke.

‘They didn’t want the change. That was the only thing that mattered that we were going to make changes to the system they love. I understood that.

‘I think part of being a good leader is making unpopular decisions on behalf of the group and part of being a good leader is listening to the group and understanding when to back off.

‘That’s what we did. Once we had a full understanding of what was going on – very quickly – the right thing to do as a leader was to get out of the process.’

[DB10GOONER]

Anyone see this in The Metro?

Part of an interview with Wiggy Jnr:


Arsenal director Josh Kroenke admits it’s difficult to ‘truly relate’ to the passion that supporters have for the club.
Josh, the son of Arsenal owner Stan, has been a director at the club since 2013 and he’s come under-fire in recent years for focusing his attention on the family’s other businesses.

That perception was only enhanced last week as the LA Rams – one of the Kroenke’s other businesses – lifted the Superbowl after beating the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

Kroenke admits last year’s failed Super League plans was a learning curve in understanding the nature of European football fans compared to what he’s accustomed to in the United States.

And he believes that the level of passion that Arsenal fans have for the club is something that is difficult for ‘foreigners’ to comprehend.


Speaking about the collapse of the Super League plans, Kroenke told Road Trippin’: ‘I think that one of the messages that I said to our supporters and I do listen to our supporters over there, I listen to our fans here [in America] with our teams but the level of passion that is involved in European football, and support that goes into these clubs – I don’t wanna say it’s deeper than anything we have over here – but it’s way deeper than anything we have over here.
‘It’s hard to truly relate as an American or a foreigner heading into the UK the passion that really goes on from the people that support these clubs.’

Arsenal were one of six English clubs that committed to playing in the Super League but they pulled out within 48 hours of the announcement after a backlash from supporters.

Kroenke admits the family got the decision wrong and that they had to listen to fans after their reaction to the news.

‘I think that whether or not they fully understood the concept of what we’re trying to do, it didn’t matter,’ said Kroenke.

‘They didn’t want the change. That was the only thing that mattered that we were going to make changes to the system they love. I understood that.

‘I think part of being a good leader is making unpopular decisions on behalf of the group and part of being a good leader is listening to the group and understanding when to back off.

‘That’s what we did. Once we had a full understanding of what was going on – very quickly – the right thing to do as a leader was to get out of the process.’

That cùnt has a career ahead of him as a politician.

[OneBardGooner]

True Dat AND his daddy has got the Money to pay for the Top Seat in The Whitehouse, no problem.

[GoonerMuzz]

Really simple solution to not understanding the fans.... try actually talking to the fans!

I know it is a novel idea but only speaking to the Prawn Sandwich brigade does not in any way represent the breadth of the dyed in the wool Arsenal fans out there

The appointment of Arteta is another example of lack of understanding, football fans quite often have a much clearer view of what is needed than those running clubs because we are not worried about politics, finances and all the other things the 'board' have to worry about.

Football may be a business but it also requires understanidng of what actually leads to making the money too and in this case actually having a successful team that the fans can stand behind raises revenue as much as any TV deals etc

[SteveO 35]

Anyone see this in The Metro?

Part of an interview with Wiggy Jnr:


Arsenal director Josh Kroenke admits it’s difficult to ‘truly relate’ to the passion that supporters have for the club.
Josh, the son of Arsenal owner Stan, has been a director at the club since 2013 and he’s come under-fire in recent years for focusing his attention on the family’s other businesses.

That perception was only enhanced last week as the LA Rams – one of the Kroenke’s other businesses – lifted the Superbowl after beating the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

Kroenke admits last year’s failed Super League plans was a learning curve in understanding the nature of European football fans compared to what he’s accustomed to in the United States.

And he believes that the level of passion that Arsenal fans have for the club is something that is difficult for ‘foreigners’ to comprehend.


Speaking about the collapse of the Super League plans, Kroenke told Road Trippin’: ‘I think that one of the messages that I said to our supporters and I do listen to our supporters over there, I listen to our fans here [in America] with our teams but the level of passion that is involved in European football, and support that goes into these clubs – I don’t wanna say it’s deeper than anything we have over here – but it’s way deeper than anything we have over here.
‘It’s hard to truly relate as an American or a foreigner heading into the UK the passion that really goes on from the people that support these clubs.’

Arsenal were one of six English clubs that committed to playing in the Super League but they pulled out within 48 hours of the announcement after a backlash from supporters.

Kroenke admits the family got the decision wrong and that they had to listen to fans after their reaction to the news.

‘I think that whether or not they fully understood the concept of what we’re trying to do, it didn’t matter,’ said Kroenke.

‘They didn’t want the change. That was the only thing that mattered that we were going to make changes to the system they love. I understood that.

‘I think part of being a good leader is making unpopular decisions on behalf of the group and part of being a good leader is listening to the group and understanding when to back off.

‘That’s what we did. Once we had a full understanding of what was going on – very quickly – the right thing to do as a leader was to get out of the process.’

That cùnt has a career ahead of him as a politician.

An admission (if ever one was needed) that the ownership of the club are as detached from the fan base as its possible to get. They aren't the only ones of course, as proven by the line of numpties queuing up to salivate over the promised riches of a super league, at the expense of just about everyone else.

[Redarmy]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

[DB10GOONER]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

If that's true then it would be typical stupidity by the owners. He has not earned that yet. He may come good and get this club back to where it belongs (genuinely challenging for the league title) but as yet he has not come near doing that. Personally I still do not believe he will succeed with us.

We fucked up by giving both Ozil and Aubamewingie huge pay rises and now apparently we are doing the same with Martinez-Lite. We seem to have so much money to waste on these pay rises yet never enough to genuinely compete for the signatures of the best players. It's gross mismanagement.

[wilson2.0]

I like Arteta and he has finally proven he is actually building toward something. I know this is his 4th season at the club, but it does feel like a new beginning primarily because the team is so young and full of promise. He is clearly a good manager and has done very well in the transfer market. The punditry class pissed on the singings of White, Ramsdale, Odegaard, and Tomiyasu. White was too expensive, Odegaard was a Real Madrid reject, Ramsdale got relegated, and Tomiyasu was Japanese from a Serie A bottom half of the table team. Reality is every one of those singings has been a revelation. White was fair value, Tomiyasu Odegaard and Ramsdale all steals.

Arteta isnt at Pep or Klopps level, but I rate him higher than other younger managers, like Lampard, Rodgers, Gerrard, Vieira, Howe. There was also a time I wanted Conte, but I wouldn't swap Arteta for that perpetual whinger. He has also shown a ruthless streak with PEA, Ozil, Willian and few other problem players with big reputations. He clearly is in charge and runs the team contrast to Ole who always seemed like 'one of the lads' and never a real boss. My biggest fear with Arteta initial appointment was the players not seeing him as the boss.

But giving him a contract when we are still in a top 4 race is the wrong decision. There needs to be some accountability shoudl we not finish in the top 4. Not saying it top 4 or the sack. But he needs to know the project isnt perpetual and there are expectations.

[g88ner]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

No link and might be bullshit anyway but, that aside, how long is left on his contract? Summer 2023? - if so, contract talks should be on hold.

[Midz]

I have no problem with giving Arteta another 3 years. We could do a lot worse.

[Redarmy]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

No link and might be bullshit anyway but, that aside, how long is left on his contract? Summer 2023? - if so, contract talks should be on hold.

Until its confirmed just speculation but has a ring of truth about it....and would not bet against it

[mcdowell42]

Understand that the PGMOL, English football's refereeing body, have accepted a formal request for a meeting with Arsenal. It comes a few weeks after Mikel Arteta demanded "explanations" following Gabriel Martinelli's red card at Wolves.

[StuartL]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ?
B) What other managers are available ?
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ?

[Nos89]

Arteta tactically won us that match tonight against Wolves. Made the right substitution's, right tactical change and drove this team forward. Echoes of Graham switching to 3 at the back in vital games.
After a terrible January, February isn't turning out too bad. Praise where it is deserved.