Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Nos89]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ? if we finish top 4 yes
B) What other managers are available ? Conte
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ? Yes we are currently making sufficient progress

[augie]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ? if we finish top 4 yes
B) What other managers are available ? Conte
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ? Yes we are currently making sufficient progress

Does he deserve a new deal ? Absolutely not. People say that if he gets top 4 he should get a new deal, as though it would be a miracle to get top 4 with these players. Which of our top 4 rivals are better on paper than we are ? Probably none. Which of our top 4 rivals have been able to put a consistant run of wins together ? None. We have some glaring holes/weaknesses in our team, but much of that is down to arteta and edu, so their decisions last month have def held us back imo. Reality is that the standard of all the teams outside the top 2 has been awful this season, and the manager (and players) will never ever get as easy a chance to get that 4th spot.

[wilson2.0]

No need to pay him 8m. a year. That being said he has done well and im happy for him to continue. Im confided of getting 4th, and in the case we dont its not a sackable offence, but he needs to be put on notice if we dont.

You cant deny Arteta and Edu have made some great singings, stamped their authority over the squad and have it going in the right direction.

Some opposition fans are saying we will bottle it Arsenal style. Well that remains to be seen, but im hoping that bottle job legacy that Wenger left has been removed from the mentality of the team.

Arteta can be a good manager.

[gooner265]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ? if we finish top 4 yes
B) What other managers are available ? Conte
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ? Yes we are currently making sufficient progress

Does he deserve a new deal ? Absolutely not. People say that if he gets top 4 he should get a new deal, as though it would be a miracle to get top 4 with these players. Which of our top 4 rivals are better on paper than we are ? Probably none. Which of our top 4 rivals have been able to put a consistant run of wins together ? None. We have some glaring holes/weaknesses in our team, but much of that is down to arteta and edu, so their decisions last month have def held us back imo. Reality is that the standard of all the teams outside the top 2 has been awful this season, and the manager (and players) will never ever get as easy a chance to get that 4th spot.

So you'd let him go into his final season with no new deal , we complain we let players run down there's. Whatever you think of him he will have some suitors and may lose him if he finishes this year strongly and next ?

I'd also argue Man Utd are stronger on paper than us still , yes we still have some issues but they hopefully will be addressed in the summer as we aren't far off all the deadwood going and believe Xhaka will finally go in the summer.

[augie]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ? if we finish top 4 yes
B) What other managers are available ? Conte
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ? Yes we are currently making sufficient progress

Does he deserve a new deal ? Absolutely not. People say that if he gets top 4 he should get a new deal, as though it would be a miracle to get top 4 with these players. Which of our top 4 rivals are better on paper than we are ? Probably none. Which of our top 4 rivals have been able to put a consistant run of wins together ? None. We have some glaring holes/weaknesses in our team, but much of that is down to arteta and edu, so their decisions last month have def held us back imo. Reality is that the standard of all the teams outside the top 2 has been awful this season, and the manager (and players) will never ever get as easy a chance to get that 4th spot.

So you'd let him go into his final season with no new deal , we complain we let players run down there's. Whatever you think of him he will have some suitors and may lose him if he finishes this year strongly and next ?

I'd also argue Man Utd are stronger on paper than us still , yes we still have some issues but they hopefully will be addressed in the summer as we aren't far off all the deadwood going and believe Xhaka will finally go in the summer.

Firstly, do you envisage any big clubs being amongst those suitors ? Not a fcuking chance. The suggestion that citeeh want pep's cone boy to replace pep is quite frankly laughable, and tbh I would be ecstatic if it happened. Those suitors are more likely to be mid level league clubs and I doubt he would willingly leave for one of them.

Secondly, since pep's cone boy took over, has xhaka EVER come close to leaving ? Ever ? The answer is an emphatic no. He was on verge of leaving when pep's cone boy took over, but was persuaded to stay by the basque fool. People need to rid themselves of this baseless belief that xhaka will be gone in the summer

[SteveO 35]

One of the first criticisms levelled at Dick was that we 'bottled' an easy chance of making the top 4. I never subscribed to that view and if the people who made those accusations went back to their own expectations at the start of that season (widespread rage at spending £40m and still saddle bagged with Wenger's dross by the dozen), the view should have been that it was a fucking miracle we were up there at all. "We've got our Arsenal back" sang the fans on numerous occasions that season - short memories eh. Remember the previous season we finished a distant 6th and won one away game in the second half of the season. It was Pochettino's Spurs that beat us to 4th by a single point - a far superior team to the messed up Sperz of today. As per usual Chavski, City and Liverpool took the top 3 spots as they will do this season. We also had to deal with Sunday/Thursday right the way through to making the EL final

If anyone has an easy chance of the top four then it surely is this season under Arteta. Sperz and Man Ure have already changed their managers once this season and have been in absolute disarray.....to the extent that nobody expects their current managers to stay around much longer either. That leaves West Ham - a team playing EL football and with a tiny squad compared to ours.

We have zero cup interest before the end of January for the first time in as long as anyone can remember. All of the other teams either have European football or FA Cup, or both. A number of posters on here commented how the lack of European football could only be a good thing for the league campaign, so now is the time to prove or disprove that suggestion. We also spent more in a single transfer window than in any previous transfer window

One thing's for sure - if the club don't make 4th from here it will be a bottle job effort that is off the scale to compared to the under invested, over achieving team of 18/19

[shu]

Twitter makes me spu , all of these stupid bints who are pro Arteta and Xhaka

[gooner265]

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ? if we finish top 4 yes
B) What other managers are available ? Conte
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ? Yes we are currently making sufficient progress

Does he deserve a new deal ? Absolutely not. People say that if he gets top 4 he should get a new deal, as though it would be a miracle to get top 4 with these players. Which of our top 4 rivals are better on paper than we are ? Probably none. Which of our top 4 rivals have been able to put a consistant run of wins together ? None. We have some glaring holes/weaknesses in our team, but much of that is down to arteta and edu, so their decisions last month have def held us back imo. Reality is that the standard of all the teams outside the top 2 has been awful this season, and the manager (and players) will never ever get as easy a chance to get that 4th spot.

So you'd let him go into his final season with no new deal , we complain we let players run down there's. Whatever you think of him he will have some suitors and may lose him if he finishes this year strongly and next ?

I'd also argue Man Utd are stronger on paper than us still , yes we still have some issues but they hopefully will be addressed in the summer as we aren't far off all the deadwood going and believe Xhaka will finally go in the summer.

Firstly, do you envisage any big clubs being amongst those suitors ? Not a fcuking chance. The suggestion that citeeh want pep's cone boy to replace pep is quite frankly laughable, and tbh I would be ecstatic if it happened. Those suitors are more likely to be mid level league clubs and I doubt he would willingly leave for one of them.

Secondly, since pep's cone boy took over, has xhaka EVER come close to leaving ? Ever ? The answer is an emphatic no. He was on verge of leaving when pep's cone boy took over, but was persuaded to stay by the basque fool. People need to rid themselves of this baseless belief that xhaka will be gone in the summer

It's quite clear Arteta us trying to sign midfielders , do you think they're gonna sit on the bench behind Xhaka , of course not. He has clearly moved Xhaka forward lately do expect a number 8 to come in the summer , Mourinho wants him and that's where I expect him to go . He's also stated he's not happy here , I'll be very surprised if he is come the end of the window.

Whatever Arteta does he can't win, if he gets 4th it's because he got lucky with the youngsters and the rest if the league is shit , the goalposts keep moving for the haters this season to justify their opinions.

I've never know an Arsenal manager hated so much in my life as Arteta from the start so maybe he is better off leaving the club anyway

The last of alternatives stated at the beginning of his tenure have all failed since or are struggling, Rogers, Benitez, Mourinho, Conte , even Allegri who was my choice.

If he gets 4th I am not too stubborn to give him some credit and also applaud the youth route he took which I wanted and players he has moved on , Xhaje us the obvious glaring anomaly here .

[A11M11]

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[Nos89]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ? if we finish top 4 yes
B) What other managers are available ? Conte
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ? Yes we are currently making sufficient progress

Does he deserve a new deal ? Absolutely not. People say that if he gets top 4 he should get a new deal, as though it would be a miracle to get top 4 with these players. Which of our top 4 rivals are better on paper than we are ? Probably none. Which of our top 4 rivals have been able to put a consistant run of wins together ? None. We have some glaring holes/weaknesses in our team, but much of that is down to arteta and edu, so their decisions last month have def held us back imo. Reality is that the standard of all the teams outside the top 2 has been awful this season, and the manager (and players) will never ever get as easy a chance to get that 4th spot.

Haven't we won all 3 games since the January transfer window? How have we been held back? Of all these holes you're talking about, I can only see two. The answers are either on loan or just need to buy a striker. I honestly cannot understand where you are coming from. You also contradict yourself about Arteta and the squad, they're either good enough for a top 4 finish or they're not. You're saying the players are good enough for a top 4 finish, but most of them need replacing?? Utter nonsense

[Nos89]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

Would be prudent to see where we finish in the league and see

A) Does he deserve a new deal ? if we finish top 4 yes
B) What other managers are available ? Conte
C) Are we confident that we are making sufficient progress in terms of performance ? Yes we are currently making sufficient progress

Does he deserve a new deal ? Absolutely not. People say that if he gets top 4 he should get a new deal, as though it would be a miracle to get top 4 with these players. Which of our top 4 rivals are better on paper than we are ? Probably none. Which of our top 4 rivals have been able to put a consistant run of wins together ? None. We have some glaring holes/weaknesses in our team, but much of that is down to arteta and edu, so their decisions last month have def held us back imo. Reality is that the standard of all the teams outside the top 2 has been awful this season, and the manager (and players) will never ever get as easy a chance to get that 4th spot.

Haven't we won all 3 games since the January transfer window? How have we been held back? Of all these holes you're talking about, I can only see two. The answers are either on loan or just need to buy a striker. I honestly cannot understand where you are coming from. You also contradict yourself about Arteta and the squad, they're either good enough for a top 4 finish or they're not. You're saying the players are good enough for a top 4 finish, but most of them need replacing?? Utter nonsense

[augie]

Firstly I meant to see that we have some glaring holes in our squad (not team), so my bad on that. I totally stand behind that statement though - we have a shockingly threadbare squad with at least 2 more strikers departing in the summer, and regardless of what the likes of romano say about it going to be a very good summer transfer window for us, I simply do not see us spending the type of money required to build a squad strong enough to challenge

Secondly, you continue to use small sample groups of results to boost your arguments - why not use the January results that we got with this same squad ? Drawing at home to burnley and losing away to forest in the cup are the standout lowlights in a month where we won no game. I understand the concept of that you can only beat what is in front of you, but the reality is that we will wait a long time to see the battle for 4th spot to be lacking in quality as much as this one is - for the here and now if we finish 4th then that is all that matters, but not getting 4th would be shocking when you look at our rivals, and regardless of what happens this season, we will need to be considerably stronger next season

[SteveO 35]

If he gets us into the top four, then even his harshest critics (me amongst them) would have to concede that the club should offer him a new deal. I can't believe anyone within the club's board or leadership group would really have expected City, Liverpool or Chavski to be overhauled this season, and so 4th is very much the top 'realistic' position on offer. We had a good crack at the League Cup, so if we finish 4th it will really only be the FA Cup that was a massive underachievement, and that defeat at Forest was still a painful one for me because we should have knocked them over.

If we do finish 4th then Rob and some of the others on here that said it would be a good thing to have no European football, would definitely have been proved correct. I had my doubts about that argument because I believe a top team needs to have regular games against top teams and also see the EL in particular as an excellent development tool for the younger players. The club has chosen to address that final point of course by cutting the squad down to the lowest level any of us can remember. One feels certain that Balogun would have had EL game time, and therefore we have to hope that Middlesbrough proves as invaluable experience as the EL Group stages did for the likes of Martinelli and Saka in previous years.

The next phase of course is what happens if this team does make the CL? Unlike the EL, there really is little wriggle room for playing youngsters as almost every game provides a proper competitive challenge. In that case, our current squad would be woefully under powered and you would think a minimum of 3-4 major additions would need to be brought in, rising even further should the expected departures of Laca and others take place

I have no confidence that he will ever bring Saliba into the fold, so that means the CB position will be threadbare. Having sold Chambers, we can't be serious about Cedric as a back up to Tommy? The defensive midfield axis is fucked already without CL football so a minimum of one, and probably more likely two will be needed there. If Laca and Eddie go, then we will have no CFs at all apart from Balogun who really will only be good for rotation next season.

It's really the reason why I don't miss CL football at all under this owner - we will never be equipped to cope with the rigours of it. EL yes, CL no.

If Arteta gets us into the CL, then for sure he should be given a new deal but whoever does the job will be ruthlessly exposed if this current squad go into a season of CL football - so if they back him with a deal, he also needs at least as much investment as the last window, arguably more

[A11M11]

Saliba may not want to come back and after the way he was treated no-one would be too surprised . However there is always Irish international Daniel Ballard on loan at Millwall and now back from injury getting the time and experience ina league just as tough as Ligue un in France.

[augie]

If he gets us into the top four, then even his harshest critics (me amongst them) would have to concede that the club should offer him a new deal. I can't believe anyone within the club's board or leadership group would really have expected City, Liverpool or Chavski to be overhauled this season, and so 4th is very much the top 'realistic' position on offer. We had a good crack at the League Cup, so if we finish 4th it will really only be the FA Cup that was a massive underachievement, and that defeat at Forest was still a painful one for me because we should have knocked them over.

If we do finish 4th then Rob and some of the others on here that said it would be a good thing to have no European football, would definitely have been proved correct. I had my doubts about that argument because I believe a top team needs to have regular games against top teams and also see the EL in particular as an excellent development tool for the younger players. The club has chosen to address that final point of course by cutting the squad down to the lowest level any of us can remember. One feels certain that Balogun would have had EL game time, and therefore we have to hope that Middlesbrough proves as invaluable experience as the EL Group stages did for the likes of Martinelli and Saka in previous years.

The next phase of course is what happens if this team does make the CL? Unlike the EL, there really is little wriggle room for playing youngsters as almost every game provides a proper competitive challenge. In that case, our current squad would be woefully under powered and you would think a minimum of 3-4 major additions would need to be brought in, rising even further should the expected departures of Laca and others take place

I have no confidence that he will ever bring Saliba into the fold, so that means the CB position will be threadbare. Having sold Chambers, we can't be serious about Cedric as a back up to Tommy? The defensive midfield axis is fucked already without CL football so a minimum of one, and probably more likely two will be needed there. If Laca and Eddie go, then we will have no CFs at all apart from Balogun who really will only be good for rotation next season.

It's really the reason why I don't miss CL football at all under this owner - we will never be equipped to cope with the rigours of it. EL yes, CL no.

If Arteta gets us into the CL, then for sure he should be given a new deal but whoever does the job will be ruthlessly exposed if this current squad go into a season of CL football - so if they back him with a deal, he also needs at least as much investment as the last window, arguably more

You honestly believe those points buddy ?? A lack of quality will explain the lack of wins against the victims and citeeh, but what reason/excuse do we have for dropping pts against the likes of burnley, brentford and everton (all fighting relegation) when we cant cite too many fixtures due to european games ?
I believe that we will get top 4 now - I believe that we have improved this season, but I also believe that this improvement wouldnt have been enough to secure top 4 in other seasons. I believe that there are other managers that we could get that would do much better with these players than pep's coneboy, whose in game management is for the most part absolutely woeful.
I know he is going to get a new deal, but what I dont get is that we are willing to reward him with a massive new contract - imo there will be serious clamour for his sacking by end of next season, but by then he will have forced saliba and a few others out, and will have given a new contract to the likes of xhaka and el ninny