Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Nos89]

We lost two games in November, dropped Aubameyang went unbeaten run of 9 games. Lost against city and forest, another unbeaten run of 9 games, winning 5 away. We can go again. Time to drop Lacazette and go with either nketiah up front, or my favoured option martinelli, Saka on the left, Pepe on the right, EsR in the middle. Tavares did well at the start of the season and he can do again. We play 3-4-3 bring in Elneny for his experience for a game or two. Go on another unbeaten run. We've made progress this year, anyone who can't see that watches too much Sky Sports news, and AFTV.

You seriously, and I mean seriously need to check your facts - the last game we lost in November was on November 20th when we got our arses handed to us by the victims, then we won one game against the barcodes before losing back to back games against manure (Dec 2nd) and everton (Dec 6th), both who were on a bad run of results at that time. How does that equate to a 9 game unbeaten run ??
After the forest cup defeat we drew with the victims away in the league cup, before losing our next game which was the second leg. We then went on a 6 game unbeaten run (inc in that was a pathetic home draw v burnley, and a scrapped win against watford), before losing to the victims again. We followed up that defeat to the victims with one win before losing our last 2 games.

A few pointers out of that -

1. There wasnt one 9 match unbeaten run much less two.
2. In that 6 game unbeaten run, our games were two games against wolves plus games against Leicester, brentford, burnley, watford - with the exception of the wolves games, none of them were against good or in form teams
3. Those unbeaten runs (5 games and 6 games) which you refer to included just one game against a Top 7 team (they are the ones in contention for top 4) - you still have to win those games, and you can only beat what is in front of you, but sometimes stats like unbeaten runs dont tell the full story even when they are accurate

Sorry got my months mixed up. Used to be good at this remembering thing. We had 9 game unbeaten run, ended by Liverpool in November. Then another 5 game winning run after Everton debacle, then another 5 game run between the Liverpool defeats in EFL semi final and PL game.
Taking heart from this it shows we can bounce back after a couple of defeats. We have 8 games left and we need to win 6 of them to finish top 4. This team are capable of doing that. For me the external factors of VAR decisions have gone against us, in key moments. It all plays on the young players minds. Taking 4 minutes to find a way of disallowing a goal means there isn't a clear and obvious error. We go in 1-1 at half time Vs Brighton, we win that game.

[Nos89]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

[Kingralph]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

And this type of comment is the reason we’ll never be challenging for league titles again.

[BFG4]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

I understand you're attempt at being positive but there is zero chance we are winning a league title any time under him. We have finished 8th twice in a row, and with the run in we have combined with the team having zero bottle, I expect us to finish 7th when the season finishes, how is that a significant improvement? In this attempt at positivity you've failed to mention the massive mistakes Arteta has made. He continues to start calamitous Xhaka (a sackable offence in itself) and despite being here since 2019 our CM looks poorer than it ever has(Partey when fit aside). However his decision not to sign a striker in January was pure negligence. Imagine at a club of our size having 4 goal Laca and Nketiah as our striking options and in the summer we will be entrusting Arteta to find their replacements. Under this novice we are going nowhere and will never even challenge for a title under him.

[augie]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

If this isnt trolling then I dont know what is

Btw he took over a team that finished 5th just one point outside the top 4 in previous season - granted emery fcuked up in that run in, but the point remains that he didnt take over a team in free fall, and has dragged us down to 8th and led us to have our first season without european competition in over 20 years

[gazzatt2]

We wasn’t 5th when we equalised with Southampton in injury time
and the scorer didn’t celebrate and the fan boys wet dream manger had lost the dressing room
and we were flirting with the relegation spots

[SteveO 35]

Contrary to popular belief we were 8th when Emery was sacked - just about the worst position we'd been in, and yet perfectly acceptable it seems as a finishing position each season with Carpet Head

The reasons I've been given for his sacking on here:

"He'd lost the dressing room" - obviously most of the posters on here were in that dressing room at the time to make that judgement
"We were on a terrible run" - nothing anywhere near as bad as the record breaking shit run that had us at 15th last season heading into Christmas
"We bottled the easiest run in ever" - hmmm......bit like Palace and Brighton then
"Couldn't handle the big egos in the dressing room" - complete conjecture, but if handling them means buying them out of their contracts and giving them away for nothing then indeed Carpet Head is leagues ahead in that department
"Didn't do a good enough job clearing out the deadwood" - offloaded 15 first team players in a year and a half, compared to Carpet Head laying off less than half that in the same time frame

The facts are these - one full season, spent 40m, finished 5th - 1 point outside the CL places, and reached the EL final
Second part season - already qualified for the EL knock outs, 8th in the league with ample time to recover the position. The manager who took the job on full time didn't improve the position he inherited, nor did he the whole of the following season


Undeniable facts. Whether people are so pig headed they can't face up to those facts is up to them, but they're undeniable

Was Emery the right man? Possibly not, but over a season and a third following a decade of neglect, we will never know for certain

[Nos89]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

If this isnt trolling then I dont know what is

Btw he took over a team that finished 5th just one point outside the top 4 in previous season - granted emery fcuked up in that run in, but the point remains that he didnt take over a team in free fall, and has dragged us down to 8th and led us to have our first season without european competition in over 20 years

Not trolling at all, I genuinely believe this team, if kept together will be good enough to win the league in two seasons. Obviously, we have to make 2-3 acquisitions in key areas.

[gooner265]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

If this isnt trolling then I dont know what is

Btw he took over a team that finished 5th just one point outside the top 4 in previous season - granted emery fcuked up in that run in, but the point remains that he didnt take over a team in free fall, and has dragged us down to 8th and led us to have our first season without european competition in over 20 years

Not trolling at all, I genuinely believe this team, if kept together will be good enough to win the league in two seasons. Obviously, we have to make 2-3 acquisitions in key areas.

Wow I like to think of myself as one of the positive ones on here but that is either dillusional or I'll have what you're smoking.

5th this year will be decent then its challenging for top 4 , no way we are breaking top 2.

[DB10GOONER]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

If this isnt trolling then I dont know what is

Btw he took over a team that finished 5th just one point outside the top 4 in previous season - granted emery fcuked up in that run in, but the point remains that he didnt take over a team in free fall, and has dragged us down to 8th and led us to have our first season without european competition in over 20 years

Not trolling at all, I genuinely believe this team, if kept together will be good enough to win the league in two seasons. Obviously, we have to make 2-3 acquisitions in key areas.

Nos89 mate I've always liked you as a poster. You are a thoughtful and positive poster that is respectful of other's opinions, but I too cannot agree with this. I think we are at least 5 to 6 top players away from a team that could challenge. And I also firmly believe we'd need to add a top experienced manager to that.

I mean Martinez-Lite seems incapable of motivating these players to grab 4th place with the limited pressure that entails. I cannot see him pushing a team into the top two and keeping them there into May still challenging for the title with the type of pressure that entails.

[SteveO 35]

89, you've made my day mate

This helmet won't get us in the top six, let alone the top two. The players you mention will all be gone in another 2 years if Carpet Head continues his wrecking ball project. No way Saka and Martinelli will stick around to battle Wolves for a conference place. Tramps Shipman is all over the pair of them and I wouldn't blame them at all for walking away from the career wrecking prick

[gooner265]

Experienced manager?

David Moyes ?

[gooner265]

Sean Dyche is now also available for Steve

[DB10GOONER]

Sean Dyche is now also available for Steve

Haha I literally just logged in to post that!

[gooner265]

Sean Dyche is now also available for Steve

Haha I literally just logged in to post that!

Great minds