ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[TeeCee]

It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

Errrr.......isn't that how a 'normal' transfer is done without any clauses? You loan someone, you like him, you try to buy him and the parent club says no!!
Jeez, who's earning the money putting all these bollocks 'clauses' into contracts FFS?

[Retro Gunner]

Talks ongoing over a deal for Leno. Fulham now hoping a deal can finally be done for around £8m.

Then we should offer to pay them £9m.

Careful, Augie will get cross.

[Retro Gunner]

It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

Errrr.......isn't that how a 'normal' transfer is done without any clauses? You loan someone, you like him, you try to buy him and the parent club says no!!
Jeez, who's earning the money putting all these bollocks 'clauses' into contracts FFS?

It's absolutely clear that the club's transfer mentality hasn't moved on beyond Wenger's paranoid approach. There has been a total lack of decision making for years, betraying a fear that was driven by Wenger's narcissism and which seems to grip Arteta as well.

Apart from taking an age to bid the right amount for players we want and getting the deal done, it's even more obvious in those who they don't want in the team, except in times of injury crises. They're prepared to loan Tavares out, so he's not figuring in their plans, but they don't want to include a right to buy. There's been nothing to suggest we'll be losing much if he was sold, so sell him, or include the right to buy loan clause and move the fuck on. If he turns out to be a world beater (do miracles still happen?), then so be it.

Wenger would keep promising youngsters on the books, either never giving them a proper opportunity in the side, or loaning them out to the lower leagues, but he never had the guts to get rid of them, which would have been fairer to the youngster, for fear of the decision coming back to bite him if the kid became a star. So, he messed them about for years, stunting their development, until aged about 24, he'd sell them to the likes Rotherham, knowing their career was already fucked. He was a nasty, narcissistic bastard, too worried about being wrong and the cone man seems to be exactly the same as his spiritual father.

[StuartL]

According to Eco Di Bergamo, It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

So they have a right to buy, unless we say no

[the playing mantis]

It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

Errrr.......isn't that how a 'normal' transfer is done without any clauses? You loan someone, you like him, you try to buy him and the parent club says no!!
Jeez, who's earning the money putting all these bollocks 'clauses' into contracts FFS?

They're prepared to loan Tavares out, so he's not figuring in their plans, but they don't want to include a right to buy. There's been nothing to suggest we'll be losing much if he was sold, so sell him, or include the right to buy loan clause and move the fuck on. If he turns out to be a world beater (do miracles still happen?), then so be it.

Sorry but the bit above is just wrong. It makes perfect sense to exclude an option to buy, unless its for a silly fee, for a young player.

If an older shite player, an obligation to buy, eg Pepe should be included, but a youngster, it makes 0 sense for either an obligation or option,, as a if there shite they dont take the option up, if there great then they get a bargain.

We have been burned on guendouzi who is probably worth 40m in todays market yet the crappy option to buy at 9 simply as arteta didnt like him has cost us.

we need to maximise the revenue we get out of our youngsters as all the other clubs do, so the club should not include any option for players under 22.

[OneBardGooner]

It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

Errrr.......isn't that how a 'normal' transfer is done without any clauses? You loan someone, you like him, you try to buy him and the parent club says no!!
Jeez, who's earning the money putting all these bollocks 'clauses' into contracts FFS?

They're prepared to loan Tavares out, so he's not figuring in their plans, but they don't want to include a right to buy. There's been nothing to suggest we'll be losing much if he was sold, so sell him, or include the right to buy loan clause and move the fuck on. If he turns out to be a world beater (do miracles still happen?), then so be it.

Sorry but the bit above is just wrong. It makes perfect sense to exclude an option to buy, unless its for a silly fee, for a young player.

If an older shite player, an obligation to buy, eg Pepe should be included, but a youngster, it makes 0 sense for either an obligation or option,, as a if there shite they dont take the option up, if there great then they get a bargain.

We have been burned on guendouzi who is probably worth 40m in todays market yet the crappy option to buy at 9 simply as arteta didnt like him has cost us.

we need to maximise the revenue we get out of our youngsters as all the other clubs do, so the club should not include any option for players under 22.

And yet another pointer as to why? Arteta is a Novice. Regardless of what a Manager may think or feel about any player, it is his Responsibility to get as much from or for that player as he can for the good of the club, rather than let his ego get in the way.

[OneBardGooner]

It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

Errrr.......isn't that how a 'normal' transfer is done without any clauses? You loan someone, you like him, you try to buy him and the parent club says no!!
Jeez, who's earning the money putting all these bollocks 'clauses' into contracts FFS?

It's absolutely clear that the club's transfer mentality hasn't moved on beyond Wenger's paranoid approach. There has been a total lack of decision making for years, betraying a fear that was driven by Wenger's narcissism and which seems to grip Arteta as well.

Apart from taking an age to bid the right amount for players we want and getting the deal done, it's even more obvious in those who they don't want in the team, except in times of injury crises. They're prepared to loan Tavares out, so he's not figuring in their plans, but they don't want to include a right to buy. There's been nothing to suggest we'll be losing much if he was sold, so sell him, or include the right to buy loan clause and move the fuck on. If he turns out to be a world beater (do miracles still happen?), then so be it.

Wenger would keep promising youngsters on the books, either never giving them a proper opportunity in the side, or loaning them out to the lower leagues, but he never had the guts to get rid of them, which would have been fairer to the youngster, for fear of the decision coming back to bite him if the kid became a star. So, he messed them about for years, stunting their development, until aged about 24, he'd sell them to the likes Rotherham, knowing their career was already fucked. He was a nasty, narcissistic bastard, too worried about being wrong and the cone man seems to be exactly the same as his spiritual father.

Amen!

[Perryashburtongroves]

It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

Errrr.......isn't that how a 'normal' transfer is done without any clauses? You loan someone, you like him, you try to buy him and the parent club says no!!
Jeez, who's earning the money putting all these bollocks 'clauses' into contracts FFS?

It's absolutely clear that the club's transfer mentality hasn't moved on beyond Wenger's paranoid approach. There has been a total lack of decision making for years, betraying a fear that was driven by Wenger's narcissism and which seems to grip Arteta as well.

Apart from taking an age to bid the right amount for players we want and getting the deal done, it's even more obvious in those who they don't want in the team, except in times of injury crises. They're prepared to loan Tavares out, so he's not figuring in their plans, but they don't want to include a right to buy. There's been nothing to suggest we'll be losing much if he was sold, so sell him, or include the right to buy loan clause and move the fuck on. If he turns out to be a world beater (do miracles still happen?), then so be it.

Wenger would keep promising youngsters on the books, either never giving them a proper opportunity in the side, or loaning them out to the lower leagues, but he never had the guts to get rid of them, which would have been fairer to the youngster, for fear of the decision coming back to bite him if the kid became a star. So, he messed them about for years, stunting their development, until aged about 24, he'd sell them to the likes Rotherham, knowing their career was already fucked. He was a nasty, narcissistic bastard, too worried about being wrong and the cone man seems to be exactly the same as his spiritual father.

Football's equivalent of Bernie Madoff and Alan Stanford with their ponzi schemes. Allowed to get away with fucking fraud and megalomania for years because the culture of the organisation didn't allow any form of checking or accountability.
Today, I do think Edu and Arteta have a clearer vision and a clearer and line of accountability. The owner and his bearded hipster son aren't fucking idiots, they've realised that the 2007-2019 years can't be repeated.

[BobbyPires7]

Wenger ripped apart the Invincibles and let them walk out of the door for peanuts. He then assembled a pile of dross on big wages for well over a decade. In his last few years he was signing big money players for big transfers and he was still slipping away. The bloke was a fraud.

The Economist? He was about as financially savvy as Peter Ridsdale.

[shu]

My first question after everything what the fuck did you think when you sold RVP to manure , how did you think we would then finish above them ?

Not being funny but if I bumped into him this is it

[DB10GOONER]

My first question after everything what the fuck did you think when you sold RVP to manure , how did you think we would then finish above them ?

Not being funny but if I bumped into him this is it

Mine would be:

1. What the fuck were you thinking picking Lehmann for the CL final?
2. What the fuck were you thinking subbing Pires off and leaving the circle dribbler Hleb on in same final?
3. What the fuck were you thinking not bringing Bergkamp on late to grab the draw then the win with two bits of magic in that final you gormless cùnt?
4. Did that French rapper swallow?

[IW8Goalmachine]

My first question after everything what the fuck did you think when you sold RVP to manure , how did you think we would then finish above them ?

Not being funny but if I bumped into him this is it

Mine would be:

1. What the fuck were you thinking picking Lehmann for the CL final?
2. What the fuck were you thinking subbing Pires off and leaving the circle dribbler Hleb on in same final?
3. What the fuck were you thinking not bringing Bergkamp on late to grab the draw then the win with two bits of magic in that final you gormless cùnt?
4. Did that French rapper swallow?

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Why the fuck did you change a defence that hadn't conceded in the knock out stages?

[wibble]

Aaron Ramsey has been released from his contract at Juventus. Anyone interested in is taking him back? Anyone?

[Retro Gunner]

It seems that Tavares to Atalanta is edging closer with Arsenal accepting to include a right to buy in the deal as requested by Atalanta but adding a clause allowing the gunners to reject the right to buy Tavares if they decide to retain the player

Errrr.......isn't that how a 'normal' transfer is done without any clauses? You loan someone, you like him, you try to buy him and the parent club says no!!
Jeez, who's earning the money putting all these bollocks 'clauses' into contracts FFS?

They're prepared to loan Tavares out, so he's not figuring in their plans, but they don't want to include a right to buy. There's been nothing to suggest we'll be losing much if he was sold, so sell him, or include the right to buy loan clause and move the fuck on. If he turns out to be a world beater (do miracles still happen?), then so be it.

Sorry but the bit above is just wrong. It makes perfect sense to exclude an option to buy, unless its for a silly fee, for a young player.

If an older shite player, an obligation to buy, eg Pepe should be included, but a youngster, it makes 0 sense for either an obligation or option,, as a if there shite they dont take the option up, if there great then they get a bargain.

We have been burned on guendouzi who is probably worth 40m in todays market yet the crappy option to buy at 9 simply as arteta didnt like him has cost us.

we need to maximise the revenue we get out of our youngsters as all the other clubs do, so the club should not include any option for players under 22.

Don't agree with this Mantis. Surely it depends who the player is. If it's a youngster with potential and you're sending him out for experience, then of course don't include an option to buy. However, if the bloke doesn't look up to scratch and is surplus to requirements, then either simply sell him, or include the option to buy. From what I've seen of Tavares, I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if he was sold tomorrow. If by some miracle he turned into the next Paolo Maldini, well hard luck on us, but that ain't gonna happen.

It's not as straightforward as the guy on loan being shit or great, there's a wide spectrum and he might do enough to impress the club that have loaned him, but isn't good enough for us (hah!...that's a pretty loose category, I know). As for Guendouzi, me and others on here didn't want to see him loaned out, but as you say, it's clearly a personal thing with Arteta, so he's not really a good example.

Frankly, this loan stuff gets on my nerves. Other than giving youngsters experience, which is a legitimate use of the loan system, I'd rather see players simply bought and sold, as used to happen.

[Retro Gunner]

Aaron Ramsey has been released from his contract at Juventus. Anyone interested in is taking him back? Anyone?

I could never stand the bloke. One of those players that a myth builds up around, with absolutely no justification. I'm sorry to say that his myth came about due to the horror leg break. I can remember supporters holding up banners saying things like "Rambo's Coming Back", when he was about to return after the leg break and I was thinking, "what's he ever done?". From memory, he'd appeared in roughly 20 games pre the injury, some as a sub, and had been very underwhelming, but the leg break made him into a type of cause celebre.

The media loved him and always banged on about his goal threat. complete bollocks. He had a 3 month purple patch in all the years he was with us and he averaged about 4 league goals per season...some goal threat! His positional sense was woeful, he had no idea about defending or tackling, despite playing in centre mid, his first touch was dire and his passing little better than Xhaka's. Many bemoaned his loss when he left, but I'm on record on here as saying that the Italian coaches and fans would see through him very quickly and that he'd be keeping the bench warm within 3 months. Wasn't wrong was I?

Mind you, it would never surprise me if Legohead signed him for free and celebrated a major coup.