West Ham Mf A Sun 16th April KO 2pm

[Retro Gunner]

Shocking performance, exactly like watching an Old Fraud capitulation. Looks like we’ve properly gone. The warning signs last week and The confirmation writ large today. We could blame the idiot Xhaka last week and console ourselves that a point at Anfield wasn’t a disaster, but surrendering a 0-2 lead against a crap West Ham side is inexcusable and league winners don’t do that.

All round poor performances, inexcusable from Partey, all compounded by more piss poor in-game management by Arteta. Can anyone explain how you can be desperate to score and take off Martinelli, Odegaard and Jesus, yet leave on Xhaka?? I fail to see what Jorginho brings to the party, but how the fuck does bringing on Vieira improve anything? I’ve been saying for a year that ESR needs to demand a move, because if he’s behind Xhaka, Jorginho and Vieira in the manager’s mind (especially when we need a goal), then he’s not in Arteta’s plans.

Most of us knew, you don’t win league titles with Granit Xhaka a fixture in the team.

The game’s up.

[augie]

Smith Rowe should ask to leave immediately. If Vieira is constantly preferred then you have no future here son

Why ? Does the "arteta is trying to ease him back after injury" excuse still not valid ?

[SteveO 35]

It’s gone. If we are crumbling 8 games out the writing is on the wall. We have gifted it to City too!

Yeah, completely agree. After last weekend I was more positive - actually thought we emerged with some credit against a team who are still capable of destroying anyone at home, and was a worthy point. Today we played a team who for me are totally deserving of where they are in the table and who in their last home game were taken for 5 by the Barcodes.

Today, showed that its still the same Arsenal minus Nuno Tavares, and plus Jesus. The rest out there today are pretty much the same bottlejobs that didn't have the balls to get a top four finish despite being five ahead of the scum, with three games to play.

All the people paying thousands for a ticket for the Wolves game will see plenty of goals - we'll do to them what we did to Everton at the end of last season and so many times before when the pressure is off.

Jesus and Zinchenko the only upgrades on a team that that are perennial bottlers - one can't do it all alone (and despite best efforts was subbed) and the other is now injured. So why should we expect any different because its the same c.unts making the same mistakes that they did at the Shitole, Goodison, St James and a few other ground when it most mattered last season

2nd place. Round of 16 in Europe's second competition and absolutely nowhere in the two domestic cups

I said when Sporting beat us that if we didn't win the league then United fans would have every right to claim a better season if they come third but win two cups

[augie]

How long is the great rebuild going to take?

Emery moved on something like 15 players. Arteta must have done a similar number now.

Problem is that there is still a soft as shit core of the team and players that aren't up to it - Gabriel, Holding, Tomiyasu, Clive, Partey and Odegaard (when it comes to the key moments), and we've brought in more lightweights like Vieira.

Not a single leader in the whole squad. Odegaard doing everything to confirm what a fairweather player he is

Sshhh Steve O - thou shalt not question our manager or captain as they are both brilliant, and the media tell us that xhaka has turned his career at AFC around and that we all love him now, so we must show him great love and support

[SteveO 35]

How long is the great rebuild going to take?

Emery moved on something like 15 players. Arteta must have done a similar number now.

Problem is that there is still a soft as shit core of the team and players that aren't up to it - Gabriel, Holding, Tomiyasu, Clive, Partey and Odegaard (when it comes to the key moments), and we've brought in more lightweights like Vieira.

Not a single leader in the whole squad. Odegaard doing everything to confirm what a fairweather player he is

Sshhh Steve O - thou shalt not question our manager or captain as they are both brilliant, and the media tell us that xhaka has turned his career at AFC around and that we all love him now, so we must show him great love and support

Arteta has done far better this season than I would ever have imagined - albeit can barely muster a win in any sort of meaningful cup match these days. Today's substitutions were baffling - as bad as the three he made at OT for our first defeat of the season

Odegaard has proven your point right on numerous occasions now - when the tough get going, he goes hiding.

As for Xhaka - he has fooled 3 managers now. Truly one of the mysteries of our time. I can only imagine its because all three liked a 'yes man' that sucked the manager's cock because he knows darn well that once he leaves AFC he's a fucking Turkish league player at best

[Block93]

Just looking at the maths of the table....correct me if I have got this wrong or if someone has already posted.

Even had we won today, and been 6 points ahead (having played one more), then nothing would really have changed.

On the assumption that both teams win all their remaining games, (which is what most on this thread had seemed to expect), excluding the game between us, then even had we secured 3 points today we still cannot afford to lose at City.

On that assumption then, a loss at City probably makes no difference whether we were one or three points ahead of them, because of their superior goal difference, which they will probably maintain.

So, a draw there is still required. Nothing has changed. A loss today would have been really catastrophic.

[BobbyPires7]

Just looking at the maths of the table....correct me if I have got this wrong or if someone has already posted.

Even had we won today, and been 6 points ahead (having played one more), then nothing would really have changed.

On the assumption that both teams win all their remaining games, (which is what most on this thread had seemed to expect), excluding the game between us, then even had we secured 3 points today we still cannot afford to lose at City.

On that assumption then, a loss at City probably makes no difference whether we were one or three points ahead of them, because of their superior goal difference, which they will probably maintain.

So, a draw there is still required. Nothing has changed. A loss today would have been really catastrophic.

If we’d won today we could have drawn at City and then drawn another game if they won all their games. So now we need draw away and win every single game. If they win all their’s.

[BobbyPires7]

The other thing. We win today and then beat Southampton. I think they start to feel we are uncatchable. We have shown how vulnerable we are and I think we will blow up now. The squad has lost faith.

[SteveO 35]

Just looking at the maths of the table....correct me if I have got this wrong or if someone has already posted.

Even had we won today, and been 6 points ahead (having played one more), then nothing would really have changed.

On the assumption that both teams win all their remaining games, (which is what most on this thread had seemed to expect), excluding the game between us, then even had we secured 3 points today we still cannot afford to lose at City.

On that assumption then, a loss at City probably makes no difference whether we were one or three points ahead of them, because of their superior goal difference, which they will probably maintain.

So, a draw there is still required. Nothing has changed. A loss today would have been really catastrophic.

If we’d won today we could have drawn at City and then drawn another game if they won all their games. So now we need draw away and win every single game. If they win all their’s.

The maths goes out of the window after today - if we can't beat West Ham after being 2 goals up then we can't be assured of anything. I can see Southampton getting something on Friday now - they're a strange old side and have given us enough issues in the past. Honestly think today (rather than last week) is the nail in the coffin. Watching Arteta on the sideline unable to influence any change at all and watching a limited side rough us up so easily is exactly what was too familiar last year.

[SteveO 35]

When we do eventually finish 2nd it could be as many years again before we challenge for the title. This really was the year - the vermin, the Plastic mancs, Chavs, Mickeys all being completely underwhelming and only leaving the City juggernaut. Newcastle haven't really started the spending but might well be in the CL and will be able to attract most players they want to kick on.

Today was our equivalent of England losing the Euro final to Italy - completely in your own hands, lines fluffed on the big occasion, unable to handle the pressure.....and convince yourself the next big chance is just around the corner

Before anyone dismisses that as being overly negative did anyone think we'd be sat here 19 years after going a whole season unbeaten without another title, and for the most part not being able to get within sight of the eventual winners?

[BobbyPires7]

Saka the common denominator in those two games. Scandalous to miss the target today. Short run up. What was he thinking???

[SteveO 35]

Saka the common denominator in those two games. Scandalous to miss the target today. Short run up. What was he thinking???

England, I'll forgive him on the basis that a bunch of senior *word censored* went missing. Today however, he took the ball from Jesus and plays up to the whole "Starboy" shite.....so swim in the big boys lane sunshine

[Perryashburtongroves]

Smacks a lot 2003 after that. Missed opportunities, points dropped and players out of form at the wrong time.

[augie]

Saka the common denominator in those two games. Scandalous to miss the target today. Short run up. What was he thinking???

England, I'll forgive him on the basis that a bunch of senior *word censored* went missing. Today however, he took the ball from Jesus and plays up to the whole "Starboy" shite.....so swim in the big boys lane sunshine

I can accept him missing a penalty cos that happens, but what is unacceptable is that last Sunday AND today he hid and didnt want the ball when we were under pressure - big players turn up in the big games and thats why they get the big money, but he goes awol too often imo

[Block93]

You know what I think?

There will be some serious bollock-kicking at London Colney from tomorrow, and starting with Southampton on Friday, the slightly arrogant 'belief in your own publicity' performances will be history, and a win on Friday will be followed up at City with a 100% focused approach, which could be season-defining.

Had Saka scored his pen, this thread would be totally different now. Arteta and his management team aren't paid tens of £millions for having a w**k when all is going well. It's paid for how they deal with setbacks when they occur.

Anyway, that's what I think.

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