Southampton (H) | PL | 21/4/2023 | KO 20:00

[Clummo99]

This is getting out of hand now isn't it. I'm not arguing, just offering an alternate take on things.

Kiwior was mentioned as a possible pick in front of Holding. He has just joined the club so how do you jump to him not being trusted?

And the Swiss Turd plays further forward now. He's only slightly more likely to chase back and make a tackle as Odegaard is.

A look and understanding of the bigger picture, the system and the tactics is required.

We've lost Tomi and Saliba.

I don't think Arteta has 100% faith in Kiwior. And I understand we have lost Saliba and Tomi, Tomi could go to RB and BW in the centre.......but that's my point. Lose 2 players, even one, Saliba, and the entire structure starts creaking. You take a guy like de Bruyne out of City's midfield and they'll still be formidable.

Everybody who knows us always knew this though.......the first 11 had to stay fit.

I still think ESR should have been getting game time......I was so glad when he finally came back, but there he is, riding the pine with a guy like Viera preferred to him

We are 4 really good players short of being consistently challenging. And Xhaka has to go....but he won't.

It's only Man City that are in that position really though. Maybe Chelsea too. Take the equivalent players out of any other team and they'd have to play below standard players in their place. We are still building remember.

Agree on Smith Rowe. Vieira can and has made assists but he is generally anonymous when he plays.

[DB10GOONER]

I’m absolutely fucking exhausted by the season, the rollercoaster of emotions we’ve all been on, shitting myself days out from games, my heart beating like fuck throughout the 90 minutes each week, I can hear it hammering out my chest. I’m shaking. That can’t be good. The agony, the ecstasy, the sheer torment and chaos of it all, I can barely bring myself to watch.

It’s truly an incredible thing to experience over such a long period of time, over two thirds of the year prisoner to this whole journey and we’ve to endure it 7 more times yet.

Undoubtedly this will kill me some day, it’s fucking excruciating.

I absolutely love it though.

COME ON YOU FUCKING GUNNERS COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

The tampons are in aisle three ma'am.

[SteveO 35]

It has only taken a couple of key players missing to expose the lack of options - take out one of the first choice centre halves plus Zinchenko and suddenly we are all at sea. Heaven help us when the CL games start as unlike the EL group stage, we won't get away with playing reserves.

Tomiyasu last had a decent game about a year ago. I'm not having it with him missing - Arteta has preferred White there all season regardless of Tomiyasu's fitness

As i said when we went out of the EL, if people see that as a good thing because our fragile squad can't stand the rigour, then what the fuck are we going to think when we are in the CL. The two central midfield positions are constantly being spoken about- Rice and Caceido etc, and whilst that is needed, what difference will it make the minute that Kiwior or Holding play behind them?

Two centre halves and two midfielders would be needed, before we even talk about other positions

[Thynker]

Trossard should get a run out. Give Saka a rest.

Would love to see ESR get some game time but won't happen.

Jorgingo might get a start ahead of Partey.

[Clummo99]

It has only taken a couple of key players missing to expose the lack of options - take out one of the first choice centre halves plus Zinchenko and suddenly we are all at sea. Heaven help us when the CL games start as unlike the EL group stage, we won't get away with playing reserves.

Tomiyasu last had a decent game about a year ago. I'm not having it with him missing - Arteta has preferred White there all season regardless of Tomiyasu's fitness

As i said when we went out of the EL, if people see that as a good thing because our fragile squad can't stand the rigour, then what the fuck are we going to think when we are in the CL. The two central midfield positions are constantly being spoken about- Rice and Caceido etc, and whilst that is needed, what difference will it make the minute that Kiwior or Holding play behind them?

Two centre halves and two midfielders would be needed, before we even talk about other positions

Tomiyasu's form is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

[xisstential]

It has only taken a couple of key players missing to expose the lack of options - take out one of the first choice centre halves plus Zinchenko and suddenly we are all at sea. Heaven help us when the CL games start as unlike the EL group stage, we won't get away with playing reserves.

Tomiyasu last had a decent game about a year ago. I'm not having it with him missing - Arteta has preferred White there all season regardless of Tomiyasu's fitness

As i said when we went out of the EL, if people see that as a good thing because our fragile squad can't stand the rigour, then what the fuck are we going to think when we are in the CL. The two central midfield positions are constantly being spoken about- Rice and Caceido etc, and whilst that is needed, what difference will it make the minute that Kiwior or Holding play behind them?

Two centre halves and two midfielders would be needed, before we even talk about other positions

Tomiyasu's form is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

It is true though, Arteta has had BW playing RB more than he plays CH. It used to fill me with dread but, tbf, White has had some good games at RB. If Tomi was fit, I would prefer White to move to CH and Tomi at RB, even though Tomi has been pretty poor of late. Anything to get Holding out of the way though. All this talk about Zinchenko as well, the guys passing is terrible and he charges around all over the park.....if you didn't know his starting position, you wouldn't be able to guess it from watching.

And it wasn't 18 months ago that many on here were saying Tierney was our future captain.

[Clummo99]

I've seen people calling for White to centre back and playing Walters or KT at right back. Mental thinking.

[BobbyPires7]

I've seen people calling for White to centre back and playing Walters or KT at right back. Mental thinking.

And yet I’m the WUM.

To change this side drastically after a couple of draws would really be shit the bed time. And yet the fake posters criticise Arteta’s subs (which are generally shit to be fair).

We need to go back to attacking sides for 90 mins. In the last two games we got to 2 nil and panicked. We need to stop doing that. Simple.

[TeeCee]

I actually think that if Tomi was fit he would play CB alongside Gabriel. He is very good there and Benny could stay at RB where he is 10 times the player than he is at CB!! It's less disruption......but obviously isn't an option now.

It's the CB's fault at the moment, they go into auto tip tap, pass across the back mode when we go in front. They do it again and again and again, it is incredibly negative. It's down to Arteta to fucking tell them NOT to do it. We're better when Zinny plays because he demands the ball and takes it forwards but every single time we do that tippy tappy shit it costs us.

I don't understand Vieira getting a game to be honest. He's so uncompetitive on the pitch he makes Xhaka look like the worlds best MF. He's awful, and needs to go on loan to another PL club to play regular and toughen up because he looks like a little boy lost, he will never ever be a good player in England.
Saka needs to be dropped, he's so poor at the moment and will be low on confidence after Wet Spam.
I expect Odegaard to turn up and turn it on against the Saints, home game against a shit side is right up his street, before he disappears up Rodri's arse at City.

Sounds like Saliba will be back on Friday, I'd expect him to play maybe 60 mins for fitness and then get him off for the City game. Fingers crossed his back stands up to it.

Nothing less than a 3 goal win will do on Friday, it has to be a high quality, determined, committed performance from everyone to get the frame of mind right for City. Although scraping a 1-0 would do points wise, we'll go up there fearing a fisting like Tyson Fury bending Vieira over for some arse sparring.......

[xisstential]

I actually think that if Tomi was fit he would play CB alongside Gabriel. He is very good there and Benny could stay at RB where he is 10 times the player than he is at CB!! It's less disruption......but obviously isn't an option now.

It's the CB's fault at the moment, they go into auto tip tap, pass across the back mode when we go in front. They do it again and again and again, it is incredibly negative. It's down to Arteta to fucking tell them NOT to do it. We're better when Zinny plays because he demands the ball and takes it forwards but every single time we do that tippy tappy shit it costs us.

I don't understand Vieira getting a game to be honest. He's so uncompetitive on the pitch he makes Xhaka look like the worlds best MF. He's awful, and needs to go on loan to another PL club to play regular and toughen up because he looks like a little boy lost, he will never ever be a good player in England.
Saka needs to be dropped, he's so poor at the moment and will be low on confidence after Wet Spam.
I expect Odegaard to turn up and turn it on against the Saints, home game against a shit side is right up his street, before he disappears up Rodri's arse at City.

Sounds like Saliba will be back on Friday, I'd expect him to play maybe 60 mins for fitness and then get him off for the City game. Fingers crossed his back stands up to it.

Nothing less than a 3 goal win will do on Friday, it has to be a high quality, determined, committed performance from everyone to get the frame of mind right for City. Although scraping a 1-0 would do points wise, we'll go up there fearing a fisting like Tyson Fury bending Vieira over for some arse sparring.......

I just read Zinchenko likely to be back for Friday, Saliba unlikely to be back for the City game??

And, Xhaka "Rubbished all those blaming him for firing up the Liverpool fans"........This is what he is quoted as saying " Listen, we do not care who is waking up the fans or not, that is not our job" WELL, stupid, we CARE!! And if it's not your job, why did you do it??

He becomes more hateful by the minute.....No self-awareness, stupid and a crap player to boot.

[SteveO 35]

It has only taken a couple of key players missing to expose the lack of options - take out one of the first choice centre halves plus Zinchenko and suddenly we are all at sea. Heaven help us when the CL games start as unlike the EL group stage, we won't get away with playing reserves.

Tomiyasu last had a decent game about a year ago. I'm not having it with him missing - Arteta has preferred White there all season regardless of Tomiyasu's fitness

As i said when we went out of the EL, if people see that as a good thing because our fragile squad can't stand the rigour, then what the fuck are we going to think when we are in the CL. The two central midfield positions are constantly being spoken about- Rice and Caceido etc, and whilst that is needed, what difference will it make the minute that Kiwior or Holding play behind them?

Two centre halves and two midfielders would be needed, before we even talk about other positions

Tomiyasu's form is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

Not sure I agree - you mentioned that we're missing Saliba and Tomiyasu......Tomyiasu would only be a miss of any relevance if he'd actually been playing well. The fact that he couldn't get a game ahead of a converted CB even when he was fit, just shows what little faith there is in him now. When he did come back in briefly, he was absolutely useless and one of the main factors that cost us the Man City home game. White has had to play the whole season either because he's been injured, or crap. Having him available now, and shifting White to centre half as you suggest (ahead of Holding) would only have the impact of strengthening the CB position, and significantly weakening the RB position

[BobbyPires7]

Saliba has been the big miss. Since he was injured we have actually been under pressure at points in games. Even Palace at home and Leeds we looked vulnerable but Ramsdale saved us or they fluffed chances. The signs were there. Away at teams where the fans can get the atmosphere going we have melted. Although at 2 nil the fans at Anfield and Stratford were silent. We got them going ourselves. Total self harm and then the side shit the bed to help them to 2-2 draws.

[OneBardGooner]

I actually think that if Tomi was fit he would play CB alongside Gabriel. He is very good there and Benny could stay at RB where he is 10 times the player than he is at CB!! It's less disruption......but obviously isn't an option now.

It's the CB's fault at the moment, they go into auto tip tap, pass across the back mode when we go in front. They do it again and again and again, it is incredibly negative. It's down to Arteta to fucking tell them NOT to do it. We're better when Zinny plays because he demands the ball and takes it forwards but every single time we do that tippy tappy shit it costs us.

I don't understand Vieira getting a game to be honest. He's so uncompetitive on the pitch he makes Xhaka look like the worlds best MF. He's awful, and needs to go on loan to another PL club to play regular and toughen up because he looks like a little boy lost, he will never ever be a good player in England.
Saka needs to be dropped, he's so poor at the moment and will be low on confidence after Wet Spam.
I expect Odegaard to turn up and turn it on against the Saints, home game against a shit side is right up his street, before he disappears up Rodri's arse at City.

Sounds like Saliba will be back on Friday, I'd expect him to play maybe 60 mins for fitness and then get him off for the City game. Fingers crossed his back stands up to it.

Nothing less than a 3 goal win will do on Friday, it has to be a high quality, determined, committed performance from everyone to get the frame of mind right for City. Although scraping a 1-0 would do points wise, we'll go up there fearing a fisting like Tyson Fury bending Vieira over for some arse sparring.......

I just read Zinchenko likely to be back for Friday, Saliba unlikely to be back for the City game??

And, Xhaka "Rubbished all those blaming him for firing up the Liverpool fans"........This is what he is quoted as saying " Listen, we do not care who is waking up the fans or not, that is not our job" WELL, stupid, we CARE!! And if it's not your job, why did you do it??

He becomes more hateful by the minute.....No self-awareness, stupid and a crap player to boot.

It truly doesn't surprise me that he has come out with some garbage like that.... as you say X he really has No Self-Awareness -At All...


All players make mistakes - Some more costly than others, but that RetardedCunt just keeps on making mistake after mistake after mistake... and what is equally galling is that Arteta insists on backing him and selecting him which is a Total Mystery to me and I'm sure many other Gooners.

And then of course there are those Idiots who keep saying he's a changed player - he's now an integral part of the way we play etc.... Un-Friggin-believable.

[DB10GOONER]

I actually think that if Tomi was fit he would play CB alongside Gabriel. He is very good there and Benny could stay at RB where he is 10 times the player than he is at CB!! It's less disruption......but obviously isn't an option now.

It's the CB's fault at the moment, they go into auto tip tap, pass across the back mode when we go in front. They do it again and again and again, it is incredibly negative. It's down to Arteta to fucking tell them NOT to do it. We're better when Zinny plays because he demands the ball and takes it forwards but every single time we do that tippy tappy shit it costs us.

I don't understand Vieira getting a game to be honest. He's so uncompetitive on the pitch he makes Xhaka look like the worlds best MF. He's awful, and needs to go on loan to another PL club to play regular and toughen up because he looks like a little boy lost, he will never ever be a good player in England.
Saka needs to be dropped, he's so poor at the moment and will be low on confidence after Wet Spam.
I expect Odegaard to turn up and turn it on against the Saints, home game against a shit side is right up his street, before he disappears up Rodri's arse at City.

Sounds like Saliba will be back on Friday, I'd expect him to play maybe 60 mins for fitness and then get him off for the City game. Fingers crossed his back stands up to it.

Nothing less than a 3 goal win will do on Friday, it has to be a high quality, determined, committed performance from everyone to get the frame of mind right for City. Although scraping a 1-0 would do points wise, we'll go up there fearing a fisting like Tyson Fury bending Vieira over for some arse sparring.......

I just read Zinchenko likely to be back for Friday, Saliba unlikely to be back for the City game??

And, Xhaka "Rubbished all those blaming him for firing up the Liverpool fans"........This is what he is quoted as saying " Listen, we do not care who is waking up the fans or not, that is not our job" WELL, stupid, we CARE!! And if it's not your job, why did you do it??

He becomes more hateful by the minute.....No self-awareness, stupid and a crap player to boot.

It truly doesn't surprise me that he has come out with some garbage like that.... as you say X he really has No Self-Awareness -At All...


All players make mistakes - Some more costly than others, but that RetardedCunt just keeps on making mistake after mistake after mistake... and what is equally galling is that Arteta insists on backing him and selecting him which is a Total Mystery to me and I'm sure many other Gooners.

And then of course there are those Idiots who keep saying he's a changed player - he's now an integral part of the way we play etc.... Un-Friggin-believable.

That is classic Lobotomy Clive. He's like a scouser, it's never his fault.

The fucking idiot does not understand what he did wrong. The same way he did not understand our fans reacting angrily as he slowly walked off the pitch after being subbed when we were chasing the game late on. The same way he did not understand that going through Scuba Son's ankles with both feet in our box would hand the scum a penno.

He is an unmitigated cùnt.

[SteveO 35]

I actually think that if Tomi was fit he would play CB alongside Gabriel. He is very good there and Benny could stay at RB where he is 10 times the player than he is at CB!! It's less disruption......but obviously isn't an option now.

It's the CB's fault at the moment, they go into auto tip tap, pass across the back mode when we go in front. They do it again and again and again, it is incredibly negative. It's down to Arteta to fucking tell them NOT to do it. We're better when Zinny plays because he demands the ball and takes it forwards but every single time we do that tippy tappy shit it costs us.

I don't understand Vieira getting a game to be honest. He's so uncompetitive on the pitch he makes Xhaka look like the worlds best MF. He's awful, and needs to go on loan to another PL club to play regular and toughen up because he looks like a little boy lost, he will never ever be a good player in England.
Saka needs to be dropped, he's so poor at the moment and will be low on confidence after Wet Spam.
I expect Odegaard to turn up and turn it on against the Saints, home game against a shit side is right up his street, before he disappears up Rodri's arse at City.

Sounds like Saliba will be back on Friday, I'd expect him to play maybe 60 mins for fitness and then get him off for the City game. Fingers crossed his back stands up to it.

Nothing less than a 3 goal win will do on Friday, it has to be a high quality, determined, committed performance from everyone to get the frame of mind right for City. Although scraping a 1-0 would do points wise, we'll go up there fearing a fisting like Tyson Fury bending Vieira over for some arse sparring.......

I just read Zinchenko likely to be back for Friday, Saliba unlikely to be back for the City game??

And, Xhaka "Rubbished all those blaming him for firing up the Liverpool fans"........This is what he is quoted as saying " Listen, we do not care who is waking up the fans or not, that is not our job" WELL, stupid, we CARE!! And if it's not your job, why did you do it??

He becomes more hateful by the minute.....No self-awareness, stupid and a crap player to boot.

What an uber c.unt the man is, honestly. Still blames social media for his little outburst 4 years ago.....yeah, like you're the only famous person who has ever had anything nasty said about them on Twitter. One day when the c.unt finally slings he's hook, he's exactly the sort of player that will sprout off to the tabloids about how he nearly walked out, and Arteta saved him, and how the fans never gave him a chance, how we were horrible to him and his family, never felt welcome etc

More games than Ian Wright for Arsenal. I'll leave it there