Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[OneBardGooner]

A good 5 minute interview with Arteta a few days ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOZry9aPWU0


Worth a Gander / Listen.

[Ciro]

Failure

[BobbyPires7]

Arteta has damaged himself in a massive way. This is what he does. Blows up under pressure. We signed Trossard and Jorginho. Experienced players for a title run in. So he leaves them on the bench and plays Vieira. Absolutely mind boggling. Partey is out of form. Oh let’s put Vieira in with him. Absolute fucking clusterfuck of a decision to play a powder puff against a side fighting for their lives. Arteta needs a lobotomy for that.

[SteveO 35]

If we'd given Wenger or Emery 400m over 3 years would they be any better or worse?

Just much of a muchness. Players who wilt under the slightest pressure. Been the same way for 15 years

[BobbyPires7]

If we'd given Wenger or Emery 400m over 3 years would they be any better or worse?

Just much of a muchness. Players who wilt under the slightest pressure. Been the same way for 15 years

This is what Arteta is paid to do. And he hasn’t done it. He’s watched us shit the bed in an epic way. Some of the errors wouldn’t be seen in the Conference. Even Wrexham have shown more bollocks.

[rodders999]

If we'd given Wenger or Emery 400m over 3 years would they be any better or worse?

Just much of a muchness. Players who wilt under the slightest pressure. Been the same way for 15 years

The next 400m needs to be spent on the spine of the team, that’s what’s powder puff. Piss poor and ripped to shreds too often and too easily. We need to bin Xhaka and Partey in the summer - Partey has tanked just when we needed him most and I’m fucking done with him now. That shot he had in injury time when other players were free just sums up what a brain dead c.unt he is. If we can somehow send him packing back to Spain then get it done.

I’m not gone on Declan Rice but if we can get rid of those 2 and get Rice and Caicedo in then sign me up. Another centre back that can lead that back line when it starts to wobble and a striker that can give us a physical presence in the opposition box.

All our goals have to come from lovely intricate play, we have no plan B option of chucking it in there and having a guy go attack it.

[SteveO 35]

If we'd given Wenger or Emery 400m over 3 years would they be any better or worse?

Just much of a muchness. Players who wilt under the slightest pressure. Been the same way for 15 years

The next 400m needs to be spent on the spine of the team, that’s what’s powder puff. Piss poor and ripped to shreds too often and too easily. We need to bin Xhaka and Partey in the summer - Partey has tanked just when we needed him most and I’m fucking done with him now. That shot he had in injury time when other players were free just sums up what a brain dead c.unt he is. If we can somehow send him packing back to Spain then get it done.

I’m not gone on Declan Rice but if we can get rid of those 2 and get Rice and Caicedo in then sign me up. Another centre back that can lead that back line when it starts to wobble and a striker that can give us a physical presence in the opposition box.

All our goals have to come from lovely intricate play, we have no plan B option of chucking it in there and having a guy go attack it.

Partey gets hailed on social by our superfans as Vieira and Cesc rolled into one but the reality of life is that he was utter ***** in his first 18 months and has reverted to type. An arrogant, big time Charlie who has more brainfarts than Harry Maguire. He had me fooled a couple of months back but no....he's well and truly back to where he was. Gabriel can fucking join him too - another fairweather c.unt

[augie]

Honestly there is no defending selecting either xhaka or portugese pussy vieira - any debate begins and ends there imo.

[SteveO 35]

The quality of our replacement players is the biggest failing imo. Taking out one CB is really all it has taken to rock the whole team's performances - a CB spending his first season in English football at that

How on earth anyone thinks this team will remotely cope with the rigours of CL football next season is beyond me. Unless we sign an absolute minimum of 5 players, we are in for a very rough ride

[DB10GOONER]

Honestly there is no defending selecting either xhaka or portugese pussy vieira - any debate begins and ends there imo.

This 100%. I've said for months (years?) that the biggest thing preventing me having full faith in Arteta is his blind love affair with the worst player in the PL, Lobotomy Clive.

Ultimately this job was too big for any manager to have as their first job. His inexperience in so many areas has been shown up in last season's epic collapse and in the last 3 all winnable games that should have been won.

Yes we could still win the league but does anyone really believe we will? Nope.

And next season after the other top six teams all rebuild and have managers settled in, we will scrap for 4th place again I'm afraid.

[the playing mantis]

The quality of our replacement players is the biggest failing imo. Taking out one CB is really all it has taken to rock the whole team's performances - a CB spending his first season in English football at that

How on earth anyone thinks this team will remotely cope with the rigours of CL football next season is beyond me. Unless we sign an absolute minimum of 5 players, we are in for a very rough ride

Agreed. Thr only caveat is Europe is piss poor (well sporting did beat us but that was a mentality issue imo which is a huge problem but not one of fatigue) we should get to the last 8 comfortably at least even with the same 1stxi we had this season. But but we have been lucky with injuries and fully agrees 5 top class players are needed to make us a proper team not a lucky one.

[the playing mantis]

Honestly there is no defending selecting either xhaka or portugese pussy vieira - any debate begins and ends there imo.

This 100%. I've said for months (years?) that the biggest thing preventing me having full faith in Arteta is his blind love affair with the worst player in the PL, Lobotomy Clive.

Ultimately this job was too big for any manager to have as their first job. His inexperience in so many areas has been shown up in last season's epic collapse and in the last 3 all winnable games that should have been won.

Yes we could still win the league but does anyone really believe we will? Nope.

And next season after the other top six teams all rebuild and have managers settled in, we will scrap for 4th place again I'm afraid.

Next season is the actual inight. This season has been great till now but proves nothing. Could be a fluke. Given the state of our rivals this year it would have been difficult not to take advantage take of most of them. I share your top 4 fears unless we make some significant signings

[augie]

Honestly there is no defending selecting either xhaka or portugese pussy vieira - any debate begins and ends there imo.

This 100%. I've said for months (years?) that the biggest thing preventing me having full faith in Arteta is his blind love affair with the worst player in the PL, Lobotomy Clive.

Ultimately this job was too big for any manager to have as their first job. His inexperience in so many areas has been shown up in last season's epic collapse and in the last 3 all winnable games that should have been won.

Yes we could still win the league but does anyone really believe we will? Nope.

And next season after the other top six teams all rebuild and have managers settled in, we will scrap for 4th place again I'm afraid.

Respectfully, yes he was too inexperienced to get the job when he did, but that was two and a half seasons ago so is it reasonable to still use inexperience as an excuse ? If you give any young player two and a half seasons of constant game time you certainly wouldnt still class them as inexperienced, so why is arteta getting extra allowance ? He is failing in these games due to some tactical masterclass from a veteran manager - he is failing cos he is STILL a shit in game manager, and still cannot see how shit xhaka and vieira are

[SteveO 35]

The quality of our replacement players is the biggest failing imo. Taking out one CB is really all it has taken to rock the whole team's performances - a CB spending his first season in English football at that

How on earth anyone thinks this team will remotely cope with the rigours of CL football next season is beyond me. Unless we sign an absolute minimum of 5 players, we are in for a very rough ride

Agreed. Thr only caveat is Europe is piss poor (well sporting did beat us but that was a mentality issue imo which is a huge problem but not one of fatigue) we should get to the last 8 comfortably at least even with the same 1stxi we had this season. But but we have been lucky with injuries and fully agrees 5 top class players are needed to make us a proper team not a lucky one.

Europe has been poor for a while but it hasn't stopped us from failing against shit like Olympiacos and Sporting. We failed against Sporting because we played Kiwior and Turner over there, and they were both utter disasters and cost us the goals. Like I say, take just a couple of players out of this team and they just become average

[DB10GOONER]

Honestly there is no defending selecting either xhaka or portugese pussy vieira - any debate begins and ends there imo.

This 100%. I've said for months (years?) that the biggest thing preventing me having full faith in Arteta is his blind love affair with the worst player in the PL, Lobotomy Clive.

Ultimately this job was too big for any manager to have as their first job. His inexperience in so many areas has been shown up in last season's epic collapse and in the last 3 all winnable games that should have been won.

Yes we could still win the league but does anyone really believe we will? Nope.

And next season after the other top six teams all rebuild and have managers settled in, we will scrap for 4th place again I'm afraid.

Respectfully, yes he was too inexperienced to get the job when he did, but that was two and a half seasons ago so is it reasonable to still use inexperience as an excuse ? If you give any young player two and a half seasons of constant game time you certainly wouldnt still class them as inexperienced, so why is arteta getting extra allowance ? He is failing in these games due to some tactical masterclass from a veteran manager - he is failing cos he is STILL a shit in game manager, and still cannot see how shit xhaka and vieira are

I'm not excusing him. I'm saying he is still not experienced enough and has missed that learning curve by not starting at a lower league or smaller club. He has not accumulated that level of street smarts a manger needs and usually learns out of the glare of doing it at a big club. He thinks he is an expert because he got the job, he didn't get the job because he's an expert. You get what I mean?