Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[xisstential]

Probably the worst thing for Arteta is that he went from 2IC under Pep to his own big club. He now tries to play like Pep without the players Pep has. And Arteta has that same arrogance Wenger had, the inability to acknowledge mistakes, an inability to recognize a bad buy, he just plows on determined to be proved right. And then of course there is Xhaka and Viera. You have to ask, which of the top 6 clubs would have either of these 2 players in their teams. I would say none. It starts and ends there.

Xhaka riles up the Liverpool fans, gets them back in the game, then arrogantly and airily dismisses the fans anger. And Arteta does nothing.

Next year the aspirations will once again revert to Top 4. I don't believe I will ever see us win the league again.

[SteveO 35]

As the season unfolds and the team start to show the same failings at the same stage from the same players, I start to wonder more and more if he's following the Wenger path

The type of player he signs and those he chooses to get rid of, will tell us more. If the same wet farts who have folded 2 years in a row under him are allowed to do it all over ago, then he'll be less Pep, and more THOF

[BobbyPires7]

As the season unfolds and the team start to show the same failings at the same stage from the same players, I start to wonder more and more if he's following the Wenger path

The type of player he signs and those he chooses to get rid of, will tell us more. If the same wet farts who have folded 2 years in a row under him are allowed to do it all over ago, then he'll be less Pep, and more THOF

He certainly isn’t a “killer”. Has no pragmatism. Playing Vieira against Saints tells you everything you need to know about him. Can you imagine any other proper manager playing Fabio Vieira in a crucial title chasing game when we are at low confidence from two poor results?

[SteveO 35]

As the season unfolds and the team start to show the same failings at the same stage from the same players, I start to wonder more and more if he's following the Wenger path

The type of player he signs and those he chooses to get rid of, will tell us more. If the same wet farts who have folded 2 years in a row under him are allowed to do it all over ago, then he'll be less Pep, and more THOF

He certainly isn’t a “killer”. Has no pragmatism. Playing Vieira against Saints tells you everything you need to know about him. Can you imagine any other proper manager playing Fabio Vieira in a crucial title chasing game when we are at low confidence from two poor results?

I can't even imagine a manager of that ilk signing him to start with. As soon as I saw his weedy little frame I knew he had no chance in this league. Still we will sell ESR instead who has actually done it in this league and retain the Portuguese pipe cleaner

[augie]

Seen an interview on ssn with guy who runs Toffee FanTV who spoke about the erosion of values at everton in recent years to the point that chairman bill kenright lauds a top 10 finish and things like that and how that is not good enough - he spoke about everton in the 80s being built on a team with winners mentality and that is what they have to get back to, and of course we as Gooners can understand where he is coming from. As soon as you start to dilute/reduce what quantifies as success, then that is the day that your standing as a club starts to slide - we all agree that none of us expected to finish second or be in a title bid for as long as we were so from that point of view we have of course done well, but on the flip side we have just allowed a glorious chance to pass us by because we lack the backbone and winners mentality that was needed

[SteveO 35]

Seen an interview on ssn with guy who runs Toffee FanTV who spoke about the erosion of values at everton in recent years to the point that chairman bill kenright lauds a top 10 finish and things like that and how that is not good enough - he spoke about everton in the 80s being built on a team with winners mentality and that is what they have to get back to, and of course we as Gooners can understand where he is coming from. As soon as you start to dilute/reduce what quantifies as success, then that is the day that your standing as a club starts to slide - we all agree that none of us expected to finish second or be in a title bid for as long as we were so from that point of view we have of course done well, but on the flip side we have just allowed a glorious chance to pass us by because we lack the backbone and winners mentality that was needed

The lowering of standards came from the minute Chavski pulled our pants down to the tune of 5k per week for Cashley Hole. Wenger became obsessed with the ludicrous FFP shite (how has that panned out 17 years later ), got totally schooled by Maureen every game and the new stadium became an excuse to accept 4th place as a trophy. The club has never recovered from that and I already sense from recent interviews and Arteta's presser yesterday that we are back there again- delighted to have qualified, not a cat in hell's chance of winning it. Talk about being back in the CL for x number of years, going this far in the title race for the first time in over a decade. There aren't trophies handed out for nearlies I'm afraid. Would people talk about the Leicester side who almost did it in 2016 if they'd wobbled at the end - of course not. They could have said - we've made the CL, be grateful, beyond our wildest dreams etc - but instead they grabbed a once in a lifetime opportunity I suspect ours was this season but we will be more content in our safe haven as the Nearly men

The statement this season would have been to win the Europa League - a first European trophy in almost 30 years. A way to start ending a losers record in Europe.

[wibble]

Arteta quote from bbc:

‘I am incredibly proud and thankful to everyone who has contributed to bringing champions league football back to this club.
So congratulations, but also thank you for still being upset and accepting that the champions league is not enough and we want more’

That’s a long way off ‘4th place is a trophy’ to be fair!

[augie]

Arteta quote from bbc:

‘I am incredibly proud and thankful to everyone who has contributed to bringing champions league football back to this club.
So congratulations, but also thank you for still being upset and accepting that the champions league is not enough and we want more’

That’s a long way off ‘4th place is a trophy’ to be fair!

Has no-one told him that in minds of some idiot fans, wanting more and not accepting a lame surrender like we have, is grounds for personal abuse and entitles your support of the club to be questioned ? I wonder what the odds are for a chavs win tonight in the bookies -

[mcdowell42]

Augie 9/2 with paddy power

[augie]

Augie 9/2 with paddy power

Thanks Mc - I'll get right on that cos REAL GOONERS back against their own team

[SteveO 35]

Arteta quote from bbc:

‘I am incredibly proud and thankful to everyone who has contributed to bringing champions league football back to this club.
So congratulations, but also thank you for still being upset and accepting that the champions league is not enough and we want more’

That’s a long way off ‘4th place is a trophy’ to be fair!

Welcome back to the football club Arsene Wenger - we've won the top four trophy once more

[OneBardGooner]

More importantly, does anyone know the odds are for us Beating these Chav NaziScumbags?

[mcdowell42]

More importantly, does anyone know the odds are for us Beating these Chav NaziScumbags?

8/15

[OneBardGooner]

Thanks McD - Not a betting man (usually) But those are good odds compared to the chavs odds yes?

[mcdowell42]

Chavs are better odds,we're odds on 8/15 means betting £15 to win £8