ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[augie]

Fcuk this shit of loaning them out - if they are no good to us (and he isnt cos he is clearly shit), then just get rid for as much as we can get for them. The chavs used to get hammered in the media (rightfully so) for signing a load of young talent and loaning them out, but in recent seasons it is ridiculous how many players we have sent out on loan, especially when most are players that we bought (as opposed to academy prospects)

[augie]

We are seemingly being linked to a brazilian kid by the name of Gabriel Moscardo (centre midfielder) - seen compilation of clips on this kid on youtube, and I know youtube can do a compilation of clips to make any player look good (although maybe not havertz or portugese pussy), but the thing that stood out for me was the awareness he showed when the ball was coming to him, and frequently his first touch completely took opposition player out of the equation. That kind of game intelligence cant be taught so that is a good sign, and he is def a kid who likes a tackle too, although he does need to release the ball sooner at times

On a more general note, there is a lot of speculation about partey leaving in January, but is that even likely if he is fcuking off to play in african nations ?? Tomy is seemingly heading to some asian tournament too, and I'm wondering if any consideration was given to this when our squad was being assembled last summer We have no proper back up at left full (some of us would say that we have no left back period), and if tomy fcuks off he is the only cover we have so we will be proper fcuked

[mcdowell42]

Arsenal want to offer Takehiro Tomiyasu a new long-term contract to ward off interest from Bundesliga champions Bayern Munich [@mcgrathmike].

[BobbyPires7]

Neal Maupay as back up to Jesus and Eddie is what I am hearing.

[Stuart L (2)]

Nobody else going to post the rumour that Wolves want Ramsdale on loan, with an obligation to buy ?

OK, I will do it then….

Wolverhampton Wanderers want Arsenal'sEngland goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale, 27, on loan in January with an obligation to buy in the summer. (Star)

He certainly didn’t do anything yesterday to prove he is a top keeper did he ?

Like Leno before him, he just doesn’t look suited to playing out from the back - but given how many stupid goals are conceded by keepers / defenders ( not just us ) giving the ball away in dangerous positions as opposed to how many goals get scored starting from keepers playing it out short I wonder why so many clubs do it ?

[Perryashburtongroves]

Neal Maupay as back up to Jesus and Eddie is what I am hearing.

Is this all part of a plan to finally do the little fucker right in the knee or ankle?

[Retro Gunner]

Nobody else going to post the rumour that Wolves want Ramsdale on loan, with an obligation to buy ?

OK, I will do it then….

Wolverhampton Wanderers want Arsenal'sEngland goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale, 27, on loan in January with an obligation to buy in the summer. (Star)

He certainly didn’t do anything yesterday to prove he is a top keeper did he ?

Like Leno before him, he just doesn’t look suited to playing out from the back - but given how many stupid goals are conceded by keepers / defenders ( not just us ) giving the ball away in dangerous positions as opposed to how many goals get scored starting from keepers playing it out short I wonder why so many clubs do it ?

I was thinking exactly this yesterday Stuart. Play out from the back when it's doable, but to do it every time and to put yourselves under pressure and in danger is nuts. As you say, it rarely leads to a direct link to a goal. Yes, it gives you possession rather than the lottery of a kick out from the keeper, but fuck me it causes a huge amount of trouble too.

[DB10GOONER]

Nobody else going to post the rumour that Wolves want Ramsdale on loan, with an obligation to buy ?

OK, I will do it then….

Wolverhampton Wanderers want Arsenal'sEngland goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale, 27, on loan in January with an obligation to buy in the summer. (Star)

He certainly didn’t do anything yesterday to prove he is a top keeper did he ?

Like Leno before him, he just doesn’t look suited to playing out from the back - but given how many stupid goals are conceded by keepers / defenders ( not just us ) giving the ball away in dangerous positions as opposed to how many goals get scored starting from keepers playing it out short I wonder why so many clubs do it ?

I was thinking exactly this yesterday Stuart. Play out from the back when it's doable, but to do it every time and to put yourselves under pressure and in danger is nuts. As you say, it rarely leads to a direct link to a goal. Yes, it gives you possession rather than the lottery of a kick out from the keeper, but fuck me it causes a huge amount of trouble too.

As I'm sure you are both aware, this stupid practice started with the thinking (of some modern soccer ball stat munching moron) pointing out how many times you lose possession by long goal kicks into the oppo half.

What the statto gobshite did not know, and most managers don't seem to realise, is if you play it short under pressure you also lose possession, but now deep in your own half in a dangerous area.

Utter stupidity.

I'd rather jostle for possession or lose possession in the oppo half rather than in our own box ffs.

[OneBardGooner]

That's why a Proper Striker who is Robust enough to take the ball hold it up and lay it off would be a Huge bonus.

[Stuart L (2)]

That's why a Proper Striker who is Robust enough to take the ball hold it up and lay it off would be a Huge bonus.

Yeah, opens up different possibilities for sure

For example you could play it short, invite the press, but the keeper still kick long to (Toney, for example ) and all of a sudden we have 3 attackers - Saka / Martinelli / Jesus up against 4 possibly 5 defenders, far better odds than attempting to beat 10 players strung across the penalty box.

[rodders999]

We need a striker in the mould of Dušan Vlahović - a big powerful presence in the opposition box - but he’s shite so hopefully it will be someone in that category rather than the guy himself.

[Retro Gunner]

Nobody else going to post the rumour that Wolves want Ramsdale on loan, with an obligation to buy ?

OK, I will do it then….

Wolverhampton Wanderers want Arsenal'sEngland goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale, 27, on loan in January with an obligation to buy in the summer. (Star)

He certainly didn’t do anything yesterday to prove he is a top keeper did he ?

Like Leno before him, he just doesn’t look suited to playing out from the back - but given how many stupid goals are conceded by keepers / defenders ( not just us ) giving the ball away in dangerous positions as opposed to how many goals get scored starting from keepers playing it out short I wonder why so many clubs do it ?

I was thinking exactly this yesterday Stuart. Play out from the back when it's doable, but to do it every time and to put yourselves under pressure and in danger is nuts. As you say, it rarely leads to a direct link to a goal. Yes, it gives you possession rather than the lottery of a kick out from the keeper, but fuck me it causes a huge amount of trouble too.

As I'm sure you are both aware, this stupid practice started with the thinking (of some modern soccer ball stat munching moron) pointing out how many times you lose possession by long goal kicks into the oppo half.

What the statto gobshite did not know, and most managers don't seem to realise, is if you play it short under pressure you also lose possession, but now deep in your own half in a dangerous area.

Utter stupidity.

I'd rather jostle for possession or lose possession in the oppo half rather than in our own box ffs.

Yes DB, but stats mate, I said stats. Not stats in any sort of context, but just stats. *








* You're dead right btw.

[A11M11]

Whilst everyone talks about Ramsdale getting caught in possession it seems that nobody has queried the logic of the pass to him when Brentford had two players waiting on the edge of the box. Playing out from the back is all well and good where the situation allows it , but when there is no room it is fraught with problems . To do it successfully there has to be an outlet 3 passes ahead , to do it and put the keeper in the position to have to lump it away because of being put under pressure , they might have well lumped it in the first place.
Incidently watching the City - Liverpool match both of their keepers got caught playing out but there is little media criticism about Ederson and Allison .

[OneBardGooner]

Whilst everyone talks about Ramsdale getting caught in possession it seems that nobody has queried the logic of the pass to him when Brentford had two players waiting on the edge of the box. Playing out from the back is all well and good where the situation allows it , but when there is no room it is fraught with problems . To do it successfully there has to be an outlet 3 passes ahead , to do it and put the keeper in the position to have to lump it away because of being put under pressure , they might have well lumped it in the first place.
Incidently watching the City - Liverpool match both of their keepers got caught playing out but there is little media criticism about Ederson and Allison .

100% agree mate. And while Ederson & Alisson don't often make howlers, it is yet again! The media looking too 'ave a go' at Arsenal. Also I would suggest that Arteta has obviously the GK & Defenders that they MUST play out from the back, his planning and system around that manoeuvre / tactic don't necessarily mean he is doing it correctly. When Pep first started using it teams didn't include a high Press on the GK & Defence like they now do.

Then there is the question about how much 'freedom' are our players allowed in such situations? Arteta seems to be micro-managing everything and that will always lead to errors, it also sucks the spontaneity out of a teams play...

Yes, Rambo made an error, as did the defender (Tomi?) who passed the ball across to him, but in the end it is down to Arteta and the Coaching Team.

[augie]

Whilst everyone talks about Ramsdale getting caught in possession it seems that nobody has queried the logic of the pass to him when Brentford had two players waiting on the edge of the box. Playing out from the back is all well and good where the situation allows it , but when there is no room it is fraught with problems . To do it successfully there has to be an outlet 3 passes ahead , to do it and put the keeper in the position to have to lump it away because of being put under pressure , they might have well lumped it in the first place.
Incidently watching the City - Liverpool match both of their keepers got caught playing out but there is little media criticism about Ederson and Allison .

I mentioned the same thing a few weeks ago when white was stupidly passing back to raya - to me it comes down to a lack of responsibility from the defenders who dont want to skew their passing stats and instead pass it to a keeper and let him carry the can Again it all ties back to el basque's tactical "plan" - when you see the way he cast aside a good left back in tierney cos he wanted an inferior defender but better passer at let back, then that sends a message to all the players as to what the managers priority is, so they will throw their team-mates under the bus to keep their own passing accuracy stats high