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Will he ?

Have a statue erected after 30 glorious years service?
9
9%
Be a success, pick up a few trophies and put the club back on an even keel?
28
27%
Be a moderate success, before handing over to a more high profile successor?
20
20%
Be an utter fucking disaster?
45
44%
 
Total votes: 102

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augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.

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wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.
Timber has only played a handful of minutes for us unless you're including friendlies.

Odegaard either hides or slows everything down.

The last four players you have mentioned are average.

A few players you forgot to mention....

Partey
Luiz
Pepe
Mari
Soars
Runarsson
Tavares
Willian
Lokonga
Vieira
Turner

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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:43 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.
Timber has only played a handful of minutes for us unless you're including friendlies.

Odegaard either hides or slows everything down.

The last four players you have mentioned are average.

A few players you forgot to mention....

Partey
Luiz
Pepe
Mari
Soars
Runarsson
Tavares
Willian
Lokonga
Vieira
Turner

And let's not forget the £28Million Kiwior who has already proven not to be worth anywhere near that figure.

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wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.




Try sorting your own feet out you clown - Saliba and Martinelli were bought by the mislintat/emery regime although mislintat had left before saliba was announced.
Ben White, jesus, and zinchenko are not good enough and odeargod is highly over-rated

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Post by mcdowell42 »

OneBardGooner wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:29 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:43 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.
Timber has only played a handful of minutes for us unless you're including friendlies.

Odegaard either hides or slows everything down.

The last four players you have mentioned are average.

A few players you forgot to mention....

Partey
Luiz
Pepe
Mari
Soars
Runarsson
Tavares
Willian
Lokonga
Vieira
Turner

And let's not forget the £28Million Kiwior who has already proven not to be worth anywhere near that figure.

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Post by Redarmy »

IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:43 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.
Timber has only played a handful of minutes for us unless you're including friendlies.

Odegaard either hides or slows everything down.

The last four players you have mentioned are average.

A few players you forgot to mention....

Partey
Luiz
Pepe
Mari
Soars
Runarsson
Tavares
Willian
Lokonga
Vieira
Turner
Cant see havertz in there anywhere.....hes up there with pepe and willian as our worst ever signings

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Post by IW8Goalmachine »

Redarmy wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:48 pm
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:43 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.
Timber has only played a handful of minutes for us unless you're including friendlies.

Odegaard either hides or slows everything down.

The last four players you have mentioned are average.

A few players you forgot to mention....

Partey
Luiz
Pepe
Mari
Soars
Runarsson
Tavares
Willian
Lokonga
Vieira
Turner
Cant see havertz in there anywhere.....hes up there with pepe and willian as our worst ever signings
I can't believe I missed him :shock:

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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:54 pm
Redarmy wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:48 pm
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:43 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am





I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.
Timber has only played a handful of minutes for us unless you're including friendlies.

Odegaard either hides or slows everything down.

The last four players you have mentioned are average.

A few players you forgot to mention....

Partey
Luiz
Pepe
Mari
Soars
Runarsson
Tavares
Willian
Lokonga
Vieira
Turner
Cant see havertz in there anywhere.....hes up there with pepe and willian as our worst ever signings
I can't believe I missed him :shock:
Well he is Invisible mate, so understandable.

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augie wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:44 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.




Try sorting your own feet out you clown - Saliba and Martinelli were bought by the mislintat/emery regime although mislintat had left before saliba was announced.
Ben White, jesus, and zinchenko are not good enough and odeargod is highly over-rated
Oh Augie, you've done it now pointing out sense to this buffoon... awaits marty to come back with his classic, "why you little cock pussy".

Them was the days.

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the playing mantis wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 11:07 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:44 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am
augie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:49 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:21 am
Its easy to call for the sacking of a manager. Much harder to name a replacement who you could say with a high degree of confidence could win us the league or CL. If there is a suitable replacement, then of course. However, if your argument is 'give someone else a turn', then thats dangerous. If we sacked Arteta for Graham Potter, then WTF. Im not even sold on De Zerbi who always gets a mention, for me he is massively overrated and like Potter, it made to look good due to Brighton set up.

As annoying as last season was, and as annoying as this season has been. The tally is still Liverpool 45, Man City 43, Arsenal 40. The idea this position is a sackable offence is ridiculous.

Although the argument going up against Pep and Klopp is too early for Arteta. We need our own Pep or Klopp - and which manager is this? The only manager who could be viable and available in the short term, would be Hansi Flick.

Although I dont understand the intense desire to see Arteta sacked without a plan. People need to start naming potential and viable replacements. When you actually ave to come up with a name, suddenly sacking Arteta looks very rash and short sighted.



I understand your arguments about the need to have an upgrade lined up to validate sacking him, but let me ask you another question - would you continue to bankroll el basque in the transfer windows given his (and edu's) track record ? See I think it is easy to say that he should be given more time, but far harder to make an argument for giving him more money to spend - if you dont back a manager with funds then what is the point in keeping him, but if you keep giving him money to piss away then how badly are you running your business if you allow him throw away more money ? As a business (and kroenke critics keep saying they are all about business and money), it is financial suicide to keep gambling money on a guy that (a) cant seem to see where he is failing (b) is overseeing a state of regression both in the team as a whole and in individual players. Again if I am a businessman owner like kroenke, I am looking at my "assets" like saka and martinelli losing value and not being worth anywhere near what they were 12 months ago, and I would be thinking that the guy is taking the team, the club AND the players backwards and that is not sustainable
Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.




Try sorting your own feet out you clown - Saliba and Martinelli were bought by the mislintat/emery regime although mislintat had left before saliba was announced.
Ben White, jesus, and zinchenko are not good enough and odeargod is highly over-rated
Oh Augie, you've done it now pointing out sense to this buffoon... awaits marty to come back with his classic, "why you little cock pussy".

Them was the days.
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One of the best insults ever bandied on here. :lol:

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OneBardGooner wrote:
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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:54 pm
Redarmy wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:48 pm
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:43 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:22 am


Some of the players Edu has signed. Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli, Timber, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu. So yeah, I would definitely give both another 200m.

Half the posters on this forum cant even sort their fucking feet out and come up with a name to replace Arteta. Everyone just wants to guillotine first and plan later.

As for Saka and Martinelli 'losing value'. Well, that debatable, but overall its incidental as there should be no plans to sell them. Whether a rival club values Saka and Martinelli at 50m rather than 100m, shouldn't mean anything to us.
Timber has only played a handful of minutes for us unless you're including friendlies.

Odegaard either hides or slows everything down.

The last four players you have mentioned are average.

A few players you forgot to mention....

Partey
Luiz
Pepe
Mari
Soars
Runarsson
Tavares
Willian
Lokonga
Vieira
Turner
Cant see havertz in there anywhere.....hes up there with pepe and willian as our worst ever signings
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Well he is Invisible mate, so understandable.
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HIs biggest crime thus far is not being able to gatecrash the PEP klopp duopoly. Even though he is the only one who is threatening to do it.

It alarms me greatly how people think sacking Arteta and 'bringing in someone else' is a cohesive plan to win the PL or CL. Who is 'someone else', is he Norwegian? Never head of 'someone else'.

If we sacked Arteta. He would win a league title in one of the top 5 leagues before we next win the league. We are the closest to winning the league since Wenger went off the deep end post 2008.

Wanting Arteta sacked is so wrong. You have no idea how wrong you are of you want this. If you dont like Arteta, and want him gone for that reason, then admit it, but dont cite 'football reasons' for wanting him sacked.

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wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:32 am
HIs biggest crime thus far is not being able to gatecrash the PEP klopp duopoly. Even though he is the only one who is threatening to do it.

It alarms me greatly how people think sacking Arteta and 'bringing in someone else' is a cohesive plan to win the PL or CL. Who is 'someone else', is he Norwegian? Never head of 'someone else'.

If we sacked Arteta. He would win a league title in one of the top 5 leagues before we next win the league. We are the closest to winning the league since Wenger went off the deep end post 2008.

Wanting Arteta sacked is so wrong. You have no idea how wrong you are of you want this. If you dont like Arteta, and want him gone for that reason, then admit it, but dont cite 'football reasons' for wanting him sacked.



If you are being genuine then you are deluded - last season we could have won the league but diet pep and his team choked, and his response was to go out and sign two players that werent needed, refuse to strengthen the one position that was badly needed (striker), and weaken the left back position by sending two players out on loan thus leaving us only a guy who cant defend to play there :roll:

Its funny that you put klopp alongside pep and talk about a duopoly - klopp has been with the victims for double the time that el basque has been our manager, and yet diet pep has spent more money than him, so which one of them is doing the better job then ? With respect, I'd love you to define where you came up with this bu!!shit about winning the league/breaking up the duopoly - last season when everyone else was shit we led the way for a while, but in reality we aint winning the league anytime soon., but that isnt the yardstick for me so I am ok with that. What I am not ok with is someone whose arrogance and personal agenda is holding us back, and I'm not ok with reverting to the tippy tappy sidewards shit le cock had his playing in his latter years. I want el basque gone and I am confident that citys dominance would end if he took over from pep at the end of this season, so no I dont think he would win a title in any of europes top 5 leagues, and I dont think he could even win the league of Ireland

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augie wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:52 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:32 am
HIs biggest crime thus far is not being able to gatecrash the PEP klopp duopoly. Even though he is the only one who is threatening to do it.

It alarms me greatly how people think sacking Arteta and 'bringing in someone else' is a cohesive plan to win the PL or CL. Who is 'someone else', is he Norwegian? Never head of 'someone else'.

If we sacked Arteta. He would win a league title in one of the top 5 leagues before we next win the league. We are the closest to winning the league since Wenger went off the deep end post 2008.

Wanting Arteta sacked is so wrong. You have no idea how wrong you are of you want this. If you dont like Arteta, and want him gone for that reason, then admit it, but dont cite 'football reasons' for wanting him sacked.



If you are being genuine then you are deluded - last season we could have won the league but diet pep and his team choked, and his response was to go out and sign two players that werent needed, refuse to strengthen the one position that was badly needed (striker), and weaken the left back position by sending two players out on loan thus leaving us only a guy who cant defend to play there :roll:

Its funny that you put klopp alongside pep and talk about a duopoly - klopp has been with the victims for double the time that el basque has been our manager, and yet diet pep has spent more money than him, so which one of them is doing the better job then ? With respect, I'd love you to define where you came up with this bu!!shit about winning the league/breaking up the duopoly - last season when everyone else was shit we led the way for a while, but in reality we aint winning the league anytime soon., but that isnt the yardstick for me so I am ok with that. What I am not ok with is someone whose arrogance and personal agenda is holding us back, and I'm not ok with reverting to the tippy tappy sidewards shit le cock had his playing in his latter years. I want el basque gone and I am confident that citys dominance would end if he took over from pep at the end of this season, so no I dont think he would win a title in any of europes top 5 leagues, and I dont think he could even win the league of Ireland
Would you want Arteta on the condition of a viable replacement, or would you sack first and plan later? Because if its the later, then its gross negligence.

Ive always said, if the right manager is available and attainable, then sure, move Arteta on. However I keep hearing De Zerbi, Thomas Frank, even Conte got a mention in one Arsenal publication. How would trading Arteta for one of those work to our advantage.

We saw Tottenham slide down the league with Conte, we see United absolutely dire under Ten Hag, we saw Chelsea dogshit under Potter and barely improved under Pochettino. Suddenly ambitions of winning the league evaporate when the next manager has us down in the europea conference leagues places.

Everyone is no sure sacking Arteta would improve our standing. Whereas I think it could end in disaster.

No one has it in them to actually name a replacement.

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