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Will he ?

Have a statue erected after 30 glorious years service?
9
9%
Be a success, pick up a few trophies and put the club back on an even keel?
28
27%
Be a moderate success, before handing over to a more high profile successor?
20
20%
Be an utter fucking disaster?
45
44%
 
Total votes: 102

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:00 am
the playing mantis wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:21 pm
The stupid prick bleating in tonight's standard about having one of the thinnest squads in the pl and not being able to sign cos of finances.


What bellend wasted 65m and 300k a week on not needed position for an absolute useless player??

Who won't blood any kids contrary to what ALL the other big 5 do. (Chavs, city, united and victims and us I mean) all blood kids bar us.
The fucking nerve of the silly cùnt. :banghead: :censored:

He has pissed over £700million up the wall and he is complaining about his squad? Who bought those fucking players? :banghead: :cussing:


Players he (and Edu) have signed and it makes Stark Reading,in fact it is Horrendous and when you consider how many have worked out / been successful. If I were Wiggy I would be looking to replace both arteta and edu ASAP.

https://www.arsenalinsider.com/transfer ... gs-ranked/

25) Havertz

24) Raya

23) Rice

22) Runar Alex Runarsson

21) Auston Trusty

20) Willian

19) Marquinhos

18) Albert Sambi Lokonga

17) Nuno Tavares

16) Mat Ryan

15) Jakub Kiwior

14) Fabio Vieira

13) Matt Turner

12) Pablo Mari

11) Cedric Soares

10) Jorginho

9) Takehiro Tomiyasu

8 ) Thomas Partey

7) Leandro Trossard

6) Gabriel Magalhaes

5) Ben White

4) Oleksandr Zinchenko

3) Aaron Ramsdale

2) Gabriel Jesus

1) Martin Odegaard


:suicide:

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OneBardGooner wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:25 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:00 am
the playing mantis wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:21 pm
The stupid prick bleating in tonight's standard about having one of the thinnest squads in the pl and not being able to sign cos of finances.


What bellend wasted 65m and 300k a week on not needed position for an absolute useless player??

Who won't blood any kids contrary to what ALL the other big 5 do. (Chavs, city, united and victims and us I mean) all blood kids bar us.
The fucking nerve of the silly cùnt. :banghead: :censored:

He has pissed over £700million up the wall and he is complaining about his squad? Who bought those fucking players? :banghead: :cussing:


Players he (and Edu) have signed and it makes Stark Reading,in fact it is Horrendous and when you consider how many have worked out / been successful. If I were Wiggy I would be looking to replace both arteta and edu ASAP.

https://www.arsenalinsider.com/transfer ... gs-ranked/

25) Havertz

24) Raya

23) Rice

22) Runar Alex Runarsson

21) Auston Trusty

20) Willian

19) Marquinhos

18) Albert Sambi Lokonga

17) Nuno Tavares

16) Mat Ryan

15) Jakub Kiwior

14) Fabio Vieira

13) Matt Turner

12) Pablo Mari

11) Cedric Soares

10) Jorginho

9) Takehiro Tomiyasu

8 ) Thomas Partey

7) Leandro Trossard

6) Gabriel Magalhaes

5) Ben White

4) Oleksandr Zinchenko

3) Aaron Ramsdale

2) Gabriel Jesus

1) Martin Odegaard


:suicide:
Fuck me that's a dire list.

Shame you didn't have the amounts that commercial genius Edu has wasted on each of this lot.

Put that together with the contract terminations and pay-offs, players leaving on a free or for minimal amounts and you have to wonder who thought it would be a good idea to appoint him.

Also who the fuck is doing the scouting? Or do they still use some shit AI based software :roll:

Fucking grim

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Nick Nack wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:40 pm
OneBardGooner wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:25 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:00 am
the playing mantis wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:21 pm
The stupid prick bleating in tonight's standard about having one of the thinnest squads in the pl and not being able to sign cos of finances.


What bellend wasted 65m and 300k a week on not needed position for an absolute useless player??

Who won't blood any kids contrary to what ALL the other big 5 do. (Chavs, city, united and victims and us I mean) all blood kids bar us.
The fucking nerve of the silly cùnt. :banghead: :censored:

He has pissed over £700million up the wall and he is complaining about his squad? Who bought those fucking players? :banghead: :cussing:


Players he (and Edu) have signed and it makes Stark Reading,in fact it is Horrendous and when you consider how many have worked out / been successful. If I were Wiggy I would be looking to replace both arteta and edu ASAP.

https://www.arsenalinsider.com/transfer ... gs-ranked/

25) Havertz

24) Raya

23) Rice

22) Runar Alex Runarsson

21) Auston Trusty

20) Willian

19) Marquinhos

18) Albert Sambi Lokonga

17) Nuno Tavares

16) Mat Ryan

15) Jakub Kiwior

14) Fabio Vieira

13) Matt Turner

12) Pablo Mari

11) Cedric Soares

10) Jorginho

9) Takehiro Tomiyasu

8 ) Thomas Partey

7) Leandro Trossard

6) Gabriel Magalhaes

5) Ben White

4) Oleksandr Zinchenko

3) Aaron Ramsdale

2) Gabriel Jesus

1) Martin Odegaard


:suicide:
Fuck me that's a dire list.

Shame you didn't have the amounts that commercial genius Edu has wasted on each of this lot.

Put that together with the contract terminations and pay-offs, players leaving on a free or for minimal amounts and you have to wonder who thought it would be a good idea to appoint him.

Also who the fuck is doing the scouting? Or do they still use some shit AI based software :roll:

Fucking grim
Grim indeed. :|

I'd also love to know how much we have pissed away on that group of players. If anyone has the time, or inclination, maybe edit that list to show how much Edutard spent on each player and approx what they are stealing from us by way of salary every week....

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 pm
De Zerbi rolled for 4 against Luton. Brighton goal against record is dire. Only 5 teams have conceded less goals than them.

Sacking Arteta to bring in De Zerbi is not serious. Ive always said, if you want Arteta sacked, you had better have a proper manager in mind to replace him.

God I hope Alonso goes to Real Madrid or Bayern and Liverpool nosebleed a De Zerbi appointment.
Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'

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wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 pm
De Zerbi rolled for 4 against Luton. Brighton goal against record is dire. Only 5 teams have conceded less goals than them.

Sacking Arteta to bring in De Zerbi is not serious. Ive always said, if you want Arteta sacked, you had better have a proper manager in mind to replace him.

God I hope Alonso goes to Real Madrid or Bayern and Liverpool nosebleed a De Zerbi appointment.
Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
Is De Zerbi being touted as an Arteta replacement? Wow, he would fail at any big club, just like Potter did.

Brighton is a unique club, the manager doesn't have the same input into recruitment as a lot of clubs. They focus on data analytics as I have said before, and that is driven by the owner Tony Bloom who has a very secretive company that analyses literally every half decent player on the planet.

Quite funny how people moan about Arteta being a rookie, and yet De Zerbi hardly has the credentials that would put him in line for a job like our manager. Brighton punch above their weight because of the owner not the manager. As I said very unusual in football.

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I think that is a key point Nutflush - Arsenal have never really been able to compete for the league with the arrival of the Kroenke's and i don't expect that to change any time soon, irrespective of who the manager is.

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Gunner Rob wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:53 am
I think that is a key point Nutflush - Arsenal have never really been able to compete for the league with the arrival of the Kroenke's and i don't expect that to change any time soon, irrespective of who the manager is.


There can only be one league winner a season so that cannot be the barometer on how a manager is judged - what I would ask is has this manager improved any of these players and is the team still on an upward trajectory ? I honestly cant name even one player who has improved under him, and the team performances this season have seen a big drop off from last season. I doubt if there is a Gooner anywhere who would disagree when I say that saka and martinelli are going backwards under him, and they are our crown jewels. Even from a business point of view, standing back and watching your assets depreciate in value is suicidal

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wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 pm
De Zerbi rolled for 4 against Luton. Brighton goal against record is dire. Only 5 teams have conceded less goals than them.

Sacking Arteta to bring in De Zerbi is not serious. Ive always said, if you want Arteta sacked, you had better have a proper manager in mind to replace him.

God I hope Alonso goes to Real Madrid or Bayern and Liverpool nosebleed a De Zerbi appointment.
Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
As usual you have entirely missed the point. Any of those named have not proven they have failed at Arsenal. There is every possibility they could succeed and every possibility they might fail - like Arteta has. The point is you cannot predict that failure in the majority of cases. Every single time you appoint a manager you take a chance.

Merkin Head has proved he is a failure with two astonishing end of season collapses, his two 8th spot and a 5th spot finishes, his ego constantly playing the shit Havertz and the equally shit Zinchenko, and his ignorance of the fact we will achieve NOTHING without a proper striker, all while absolutely pissing away over 700million. Yes let's keep the failure in place because we are pussies afraid of change. :roll:

But yep soccer fanboys like you, that have an extremely limited knowledge of the game, based around whichever snowflake blog you've read this week, suck up his horseshit quotes like manna from heaven. The fucking "process" ffs. Get a grip.

As for your stupid comments around Ten Hag and Conte, we both know you'd be creaming yourself to get them in if whatever shit soccerball blog you base your inane comments on told you to.

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:43 pm
wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 pm
De Zerbi rolled for 4 against Luton. Brighton goal against record is dire. Only 5 teams have conceded less goals than them.

Sacking Arteta to bring in De Zerbi is not serious. Ive always said, if you want Arteta sacked, you had better have a proper manager in mind to replace him.

God I hope Alonso goes to Real Madrid or Bayern and Liverpool nosebleed a De Zerbi appointment.
Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
As usual you have entirely missed the point. Any of those named have not proven they have failed at Arsenal. There is every possibility they could succeed and every possibility they might fail - like Arteta has. The point is you cannot predict that failure in the majority of cases. Every single time you appoint a manager you take a chance.

Exactly! The whole process is a gamble; I hate to bring up the old fool but look at when Wenger arrived at Arsenal. It really is a roll of the dice, but the only way to determine success or failure is to see how things play out - and Espanol Felipe Marrón has proven to be a failure rather than a success. He fluked an FA Cup, had us finish 8th twice, bottled a title race and blew about £700m on mainly useless players. Rice is the ONLY player he has brought in that has been a true upgrade - I'd have also said Timber because he looked good in pre-season but really hasn't had a chance to shine yet.

There is no harm in trying a new manager and it not working out - just as long as you get rid of the useless bastard.

My choice for Arsenal manager, aside from Zidane or Simeone, would be Christophe Galtier. He did really well with Lille a couple of years back; brought through some good young talent along the way to their first title in years ( Jonathan David, Renato Sanches, and Mike Maignan) and from what I remember his teams played some good football (going back a couple of years now, though). Also won the French League Cup with Saint-Étienne, runner up in the French Cup with Nice and won the league and the French Super Cup with PSG.

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Arsenal Till I Die wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:47 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:43 pm
wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 pm
De Zerbi rolled for 4 against Luton. Brighton goal against record is dire. Only 5 teams have conceded less goals than them.

Sacking Arteta to bring in De Zerbi is not serious. Ive always said, if you want Arteta sacked, you had better have a proper manager in mind to replace him.

God I hope Alonso goes to Real Madrid or Bayern and Liverpool nosebleed a De Zerbi appointment.
Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
As usual you have entirely missed the point. Any of those named have not proven they have failed at Arsenal. There is every possibility they could succeed and every possibility they might fail - like Arteta has. The point is you cannot predict that failure in the majority of cases. Every single time you appoint a manager you take a chance.

Exactly! The whole process is a gamble; I hate to bring up the old fool but look at when Wenger arrived at Arsenal. It really is a roll of the dice, but the only way to determine success or failure is to see how things play out - and Espanol Felipe Marrón has proven to be a failure rather than a success. He fluked an FA Cup, had us finish 8th twice, bottled a title race and blew about £700m on mainly useless players. Rice is the ONLY player he has brought in that has been a true upgrade - I'd have also said Timber because he looked good in pre-season but really hasn't had a chance to shine yet.

There is no harm in trying a new manager and it not working out - just as long as you get rid of the useless bastard.

My choice for Arsenal manager, aside from Zidane or Simeone, would be Christophe Galtier. He did really well with Lille a couple of years back; brought through some good young talent along the way to their first title in years ( Jonathan David, Renato Sanches, and Mike Maignan) and from what I remember his teams played some good football (going back a couple of years now, though). Also won the French League Cup with Saint-Étienne, runner up in the French Cup with Nice and won the league and the French Super Cup with PSG.

I’ve never heard of the bloke ATID, but that’s not a negative. Given what you say, the big difference between him and El Basque is that Galtier has a track record in management, which our guy never had. It still astounds me that the Arsenal can appoint a total managerial novice, but given the shit show of the last 15 or so years, it really shouldn’t surprise me.

I’d take your bloke tomorrow, because I know full well that we’re going nowhere under Arteta. Fighting for a CL spot will once again be the height of our ambitions. As you and DB have both said, there can never be any guarantees, but I said the other day that brave clubs that are winners will take a risk, whereas losers are prepared to settle for mind numbing mediocrity.

I’m afraid that too many of our supporters are cretins and they’ll once again suffer the same crap we had under Wenger, all the time asking us “who else is available?”.

I always remember Xistential (Reno) and myself pissing ourselves laughing on one of the Wenger out demos, when some old boy was trying to block the march and demanding that we “give him time”. At that point, Wenger had been the manager for 18 years! :lol:

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Retro Gunner wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:27 pm
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:47 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:43 pm
wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am


Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
As usual you have entirely missed the point. Any of those named have not proven they have failed at Arsenal. There is every possibility they could succeed and every possibility they might fail - like Arteta has. The point is you cannot predict that failure in the majority of cases. Every single time you appoint a manager you take a chance.

Exactly! The whole process is a gamble; I hate to bring up the old fool but look at when Wenger arrived at Arsenal. It really is a roll of the dice, but the only way to determine success or failure is to see how things play out - and Espanol Felipe Marrón has proven to be a failure rather than a success. He fluked an FA Cup, had us finish 8th twice, bottled a title race and blew about £700m on mainly useless players. Rice is the ONLY player he has brought in that has been a true upgrade - I'd have also said Timber because he looked good in pre-season but really hasn't had a chance to shine yet.

There is no harm in trying a new manager and it not working out - just as long as you get rid of the useless bastard.

My choice for Arsenal manager, aside from Zidane or Simeone, would be Christophe Galtier. He did really well with Lille a couple of years back; brought through some good young talent along the way to their first title in years ( Jonathan David, Renato Sanches, and Mike Maignan) and from what I remember his teams played some good football (going back a couple of years now, though). Also won the French League Cup with Saint-Étienne, runner up in the French Cup with Nice and won the league and the French Super Cup with PSG.

I’ve never heard of the bloke ATID, but that’s not a negative. Given what you say, the big difference between him and El Basque is that Galtier has a track record in management, which our guy never had. It still astounds me that the Arsenal can appoint a total managerial novice, but given the shit show of the last 15 or so years, it really shouldn’t surprise me.

I’d take your bloke tomorrow, because I know full well that we’re going nowhere under Arteta. Fighting for a CL spot will once again be the height of our ambitions. As you and DB have both said, there can never be any guarantees, but I said the other day that brave clubs that are winners will take a risk, whereas losers are prepared to settle for mind numbing mediocrity.

I’m afraid that too many of our supporters are cretins and they’ll once again suffer the same crap we had under Wenger, all the time asking us “who else is available?”.

I always remember Xistential (Reno) and myself pissing ourselves laughing on one of the Wenger out demos, when some old boy was trying to block the march and demanding that we “give him time”. At that point, Wenger had been the manager for 18 years! :lol:
You are of course both 100% right. The piss weakest argument is "but who else is available?".

So many of our supposed fans are embarrassing mongs that get hooked on the cult of personality. The mongs that referred to Wenger as "The Professor" and now the fanboys like US Wilson that are in love with Merkin Head Espanol Felipe Marrón. :oops:

Most embarrassing is because of the internet they have a public platform to spout their brain dead shit. :oops: :roll:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:54 pm
Retro Gunner wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:27 pm
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:47 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:43 pm
wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am


Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
As usual you have entirely missed the point. Any of those named have not proven they have failed at Arsenal. There is every possibility they could succeed and every possibility they might fail - like Arteta has. The point is you cannot predict that failure in the majority of cases. Every single time you appoint a manager you take a chance.

Exactly! The whole process is a gamble; I hate to bring up the old fool but look at when Wenger arrived at Arsenal. It really is a roll of the dice, but the only way to determine success or failure is to see how things play out - and Espanol Felipe Marrón has proven to be a failure rather than a success. He fluked an FA Cup, had us finish 8th twice, bottled a title race and blew about £700m on mainly useless players. Rice is the ONLY player he has brought in that has been a true upgrade - I'd have also said Timber because he looked good in pre-season but really hasn't had a chance to shine yet.

There is no harm in trying a new manager and it not working out - just as long as you get rid of the useless bastard.

My choice for Arsenal manager, aside from Zidane or Simeone, would be Christophe Galtier. He did really well with Lille a couple of years back; brought through some good young talent along the way to their first title in years ( Jonathan David, Renato Sanches, and Mike Maignan) and from what I remember his teams played some good football (going back a couple of years now, though). Also won the French League Cup with Saint-Étienne, runner up in the French Cup with Nice and won the league and the French Super Cup with PSG.

I’ve never heard of the bloke ATID, but that’s not a negative. Given what you say, the big difference between him and El Basque is that Galtier has a track record in management, which our guy never had. It still astounds me that the Arsenal can appoint a total managerial novice, but given the shit show of the last 15 or so years, it really shouldn’t surprise me.

I’d take your bloke tomorrow, because I know full well that we’re going nowhere under Arteta. Fighting for a CL spot will once again be the height of our ambitions. As you and DB have both said, there can never be any guarantees, but I said the other day that brave clubs that are winners will take a risk, whereas losers are prepared to settle for mind numbing mediocrity.

I’m afraid that too many of our supporters are cretins and they’ll once again suffer the same crap we had under Wenger, all the time asking us “who else is available?”.

I always remember Xistential (Reno) and myself pissing ourselves laughing on one of the Wenger out demos, when some old boy was trying to block the march and demanding that we “give him time”. At that point, Wenger had been the manager for 18 years! :lol:
You are of course both 100% right. The piss weakest argument is "but who else is available?".

So many of our supposed fans are embarrassing mongs that get hooked on the cult of personality. The mongs that referred to Wenger as "The Professor" and now the fanboys like US Wilson that are in love with Merkin Head Espanol Felipe Marrón. :oops:

Most embarrassing is because of the internet they have a public platform to spout their brain dead shit. :oops: :roll:

:lol: :lol:
Well, I called them cretins, but hands up, it's not half as funny as this. :lol: 8)

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:43 pm
wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 pm
De Zerbi rolled for 4 against Luton. Brighton goal against record is dire. Only 5 teams have conceded less goals than them.

Sacking Arteta to bring in De Zerbi is not serious. Ive always said, if you want Arteta sacked, you had better have a proper manager in mind to replace him.

God I hope Alonso goes to Real Madrid or Bayern and Liverpool nosebleed a De Zerbi appointment.
Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
place because we are pussies afraid of change. :roll:

Little cock pussies I think you meant.

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All the akbs are just the same as the original akbs.

Careful what you wish for. Etc etc

What the ones on here refuse to acknowledge is the fact arterta was a complete unknown when he was appointed as a manager

I don't shit on him as much as some, but I'd certainly prefer someone else as I think he's character is wrong, his decisions have been shown to be poor, he's egotistical and wasteful with money and has favorites who are shite.

I wanted to judge him this season. So far I am negatively as we gone backwards and havertz...

Its easy to do dismiss managerial options as people did with wenger. But as artrta proves you don't know till you try so any comments that de zerbi or others would fail is omplete bllx as you don't know. Experience wasn't an issue when arteta was appointed so why are you making it one now??

De zerbi has managed a few places as well so not the novice Arteta is.

Personally I would take conte happily. Arteta doesn't develop youth or give it a chance. That's most people's beef with conte but we are a club who spends money now, albeit stick at mo cos of wasting billions on klive.

He could get far more out of the players ae have and his style of play couldn't be more turgid than what we get at moment and frankly if we win I dont care.

His issue at scum was money. Give him what Artetas spent and he would have us at a higher level than we are currently imo.

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the playing mantis wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:36 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:43 pm
wilson2.0 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:13 am
DB10GOONER wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:58 am
wilson2.0 wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 pm
De Zerbi rolled for 4 against Luton. Brighton goal against record is dire. Only 5 teams have conceded less goals than them.

Sacking Arteta to bring in De Zerbi is not serious. Ive always said, if you want Arteta sacked, you had better have a proper manager in mind to replace him.

God I hope Alonso goes to Real Madrid or Bayern and Liverpool nosebleed a De Zerbi appointment.
Firstly, are you going to post this drivel every time Brighton lose this season? If you do, then that is obviously trolling to illicit a negative response. :roll:

Secondly, who exactly said that the only option is De Zerbi? He is one option ffs.

At this moment I personally would accept the owners going out and trying to appoint any of the below named managers to replace Merkin Head. Off the top of my head:

Simeone
Allegri
Ancelotti
Inzaghi
Zidane
Löw
DeZerbi
Ilguacil

Only qualifiers I'd add are that obviously not all would be available, but that should not stop us going after them, and there is no guarantee that any of them would be hugely successful at Arsenal.

But that is the chance we take with every managerial appointment, and is not even a real concern seeing that we appointed our current manager straight from his demanding role putting out the cones at citeh. :oops:

Unfounded fear that the new manager might also fail like the current manager is the thinking of a pissboy. We don't know that before we try them.

I'd take any of the above named managers over Martinez-Lite and his shit in-game management and ego-before-club psyche dripping in snowflake generation desperation to be seen as the boy genius that he clearly isn't. :roll:
Oh my god. You may as well throw Conte into that list. Allegri and Inzaghi are scandalous suggestions

Zidane is waiting for the French job. Ancelotti has extended at Real Madrid. Simeone signed an extension with Atletico 4 months ago to keep him there to 2027.

You havent actually suggested anyone. Why not bring in Ten Hag after Man United bin him?

This is my point. Some people would replace Arteta with anyone. As for this suggestion that we should speculate on a new manager, 'have a punt' on one of the Inzaghi dickheads. No. We should not risk our current level of competitiveness. Its literally betting everyone on black to go with one of the ATTAINABLE names on that list.

Arteta out, Inzaghi in. And Arteta supporters get told we are not serious. I dont even know where to begin. Inzagi, Allegri........go on, say it, toss Antonio Conte in there as well. Forget the fact he melted at Spurs, lets 'give him a go'
place because we are pussies afraid of change. :roll:

Little cock pussies I think you meant.
:lol: :barscarf:

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