Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[DB10GOONER]

So called "elite" managers don't just deliver sound bites and one FA Cup (won with mostly Emerys team) after spending north of £700 MILLION in four years.

[BFG4]

700 million later and legohead manages us like a kid playing Fifa. Keep doing the Saka and Martinelli wing trick until an opposition shuts that door and we are as useful as a chocolate teapot.

[Nick Nack]

The new Arsene

Will be good enough for many fans as he will get us top 4 on a regular basis. Serial loser in Europe. Will win the odd domestic cup here and there. Team will go on amazing 10-15 game runs playing swashbuckling football scoring plenty of goals...then suddenly put the handbrake on and collapse when it really matters. Will carry on the final day tradition of winning by 4 or 5 goals. Will always be 2 players away from the perfect team. Will always have a lovechild player who he will stubbornly stand by no matter what. Still we only had to endure that for 10 years too many before didn't we

SteveO, I don't think he will win the odd domestic cup tbh. His cup record apart from 1st season covid FA Cup is appalling. If we wanted the odd domestic cup and 4th place is a trophy, we could have stuck with the narcissistic TOF

[OneBardGooner]

The ScouseFilth and Cheaty Teams are both levels above ours and then when you consider the managers both are "Experienced". C.unts? Yes, but Experienced; including managing Winning teams. They pick the Best 11 not Favourites and when a mistake has been made; such as the purchase of a player or players that hasn't gone as planned to have the detachment and ability to admit it, be fluid and change things accordingly.

Arteta's in-Game Management is non-existent; the time's we have all seen Stupid Teeth or Guardiola make substitutions that change & save or win a game. Arteta has much to learn and whilst he tries his best, it just isn't Good Enough for a Club of our Standing & History and unless a Huge Fucking Miracle happens and both Cheaty and the ScouseFilth fuck-up I just do not see us winning the Title... I Hope & Pray etc that I am Wrong as I would so love us to Win it and Shut All the MediaCunts and Celebration Police up.

[the playing mantis]

I would like to hear US Wilson take on our performance/tactics and in game management in the Porto away game.

Also nice to get an answer to augies questions which I still think are unanswered?!

[wilson2.0]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

[Midz]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

I like Arteta and certainly don't want him replaced. He's doing a great job, has the desire and ambition needed. Sure he's gonna make a few errors but so what, so does everyone else.
They should give him another £700m in the summer.

[augie]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

You werent seen or heard of since porto game but I just knew that you would be back spouting after last nights game

[nut flush gooner]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

I like Arteta and certainly don't want him replaced. He's doing a great job, has the desire and ambition needed. Sure he's gonna make a few errors but so what, so does everyone else.
They should give him another £700m in the summer.

Same, he has brought the team to the level now where both Pool and City see us as serious contenders on all fronts, and back above the spuds which wasn't very nice when they very nearly won the CL a few seasons back and finished above us in the league for several seasons.

The problem for Arteta is that in this era, its tougher than ever to win the league. Competition is rife, and the standards of even some of the clubs below us is insane. Put this side out in 2008, when we should have won the league and I believe they would have got over the line. We still need a few more players to complete the squad, but sooner or later I believe with Arteta we will hit the jackpot.

[augie]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

I like Arteta and certainly don't want him replaced. He's doing a great job, has the desire and ambition needed. Sure he's gonna make a few errors but so what, so does everyone else.
They should give him another £700m in the summer.

Same, he has brought the team to the level now where both Pool and City see us as serious contenders on all fronts, and back above the spuds which wasn't very nice when they very nearly won the CL a few seasons back and finished above us in the league for several seasons.

The problem for Arteta is that in this era, its tougher than ever to win the league. Competition is rife, and the standards of even some of the clubs below us is insane. Put this side out in 2008, when we should have won the league and I believe they would have got over the line. We still need a few more players to complete the squad, but sooner or later I believe with Arteta we will hit the jackpot.

For the love of fcuk nutty, what the fcuk are you smoking cos that is a crazy statement - the standard of the premier league has NEVER been as poor as it is now, and early wenger teams would win this league by at least a dozen points. I know in the media hype sky world you are not supposed to highlight weaknesses or poor quality, but in every domestic league and in international football too, the quality of previous years is just not there anymore - I dont remember seeing a worse duo in premier league history than burnley and sheffield utd, and prior to yesterday the manure c.unts were only a few pts off top 4 and I think if they played the class of 92 team in the morning they wouldnt beat them

[Stuart L (2)]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

I like Arteta and certainly don't want him replaced. He's doing a great job, has the desire and ambition needed. Sure he's gonna make a few errors but so what, so does everyone else.
They should give him another £700m in the summer.

Same, he has brought the team to the level now where both Pool and City see us as serious contenders on all fronts, and back above the spuds which wasn't very nice when they very nearly won the CL a few seasons back and finished above us in the league for several seasons.

The problem for Arteta is that in this era, its tougher than ever to win the league. Competition is rife, and the standards of even some of the clubs below us is insane. Put this side out in 2008, when we should have won the league and I believe they would have got over the line. We still need a few more players to complete the squad, but sooner or later I believe with Arteta we will hit the jackpot.

What gives me great hope is just how much room to improve we have - part of our down fall last season was our inexperience.

We are a year more mature in the likes of Saka, Saliba, etc and have added Rice, who has contributed enormously to us being more defensively solid. Kiwor, given some game time has not looked out of place at left back and is certainly more reliable than Zinchencko, with added physicality in our box and our opponents.
Timber still to come, hopefully by end of March to contribute to the run in, and many seasons beyond.

Liverpool will have to cope with the departure of Klopp and possibly lose Salah, while City may let De Bryne move on apparently as at 32 it’s now or never to get a transfer fee for him ( I know they could possibly spend big to replace him, but there are no guarantees it works out )

[nut flush gooner]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

I like Arteta and certainly don't want him replaced. He's doing a great job, has the desire and ambition needed. Sure he's gonna make a few errors but so what, so does everyone else.
They should give him another £700m in the summer.

Same, he has brought the team to the level now where both Pool and City see us as serious contenders on all fronts, and back above the spuds which wasn't very nice when they very nearly won the CL a few seasons back and finished above us in the league for several seasons.

The problem for Arteta is that in this era, its tougher than ever to win the league. Competition is rife, and the standards of even some of the clubs below us is insane. Put this side out in 2008, when we should have won the league and I believe they would have got over the line. We still need a few more players to complete the squad, but sooner or later I believe with Arteta we will hit the jackpot.

For the love of fcuk nutty, what the fcuk are you smoking cos that is a crazy statement - the standard of the premier league has NEVER been as poor as it is now, and early wenger teams would win this league by at least a dozen points. I know in the media hype sky world you are not supposed to highlight weaknesses or poor quality, but in every domestic league and in international football too, the quality of previous years is just not there anymore - I dont remember seeing a worse duo in premier league history than burnley and sheffield utd, and prior to yesterday the manure c.unts were only a few pts off top 4 and I think if they played the class of 92 team in the morning they wouldnt beat them

I am smoking something? Fuck me you must be on triple class A hallucinogenic pills.

You live on a different planet Augie, the standard of football these days from all the top clubs exceeds what was served up in previous eras bar maybe a few individual seasons. No matter what you say about Guardiola and Klopp, they have raised the bar over the last six or seven seasons. That's reflected in points hauls, and Arsenal are now starting to catch them up.

I can't talk football with people like you, continually sucking the energy out of anything our club does that's good. Sometimes I wonder why you bother, you'd be the most miserable fucker to sit next to at the Emirates.

Honestly why support Arsenal if you don't have a good word to say about anything.

[the playing mantis]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

You werent seen or heard of since porto game but I just knew that you would be back spouting after last nights game

As predicted augie. Still waiting for those answers arnt we?!

[the playing mantis]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

I like Arteta and certainly don't want him replaced. He's doing a great job, has the desire and ambition needed. Sure he's gonna make a few errors but so what, so does everyone else.
They should give him another £700m in the summer.

Same, he has brought the team to the level now where both Pool and City see us as serious contenders on all fronts, and back above the spuds which wasn't very nice when they very nearly won the CL a few seasons back and finished above us in the league for several seasons.

The problem for Arteta is that in this era, its tougher than ever to win the league. Competition is rife, and the standards of even some of the clubs below us is insane. Put this side out in 2008, when we should have won the league and I believe they would have got over the line. We still need a few more players to complete the squad, but sooner or later I believe with Arteta we will hit the jackpot.

What gives me great hope is just how much room to improve we have - part of our down fall last season was our inexperience.

We are a year more mature in the likes of Saka, Saliba, etc and have added Rice, who has contributed enormously to us being more defensively solid. Kiwor, given some game time has not looked out of place at left back and is certainly more reliable than Zinchencko, with added physicality in our box and our opponents.
Timber still to come, hopefully by end of March to contribute to the run in, and many seasons beyond.

Liverpool will have to cope with the departure of Klopp and possibly lose Salah, while City may let De Bryne move on apparently as at 32 it’s now or never to get a transfer fee for him ( I know they could possibly spend big to replace him, but there are no guarantees it works out )

To a degree your very correct Stuart, but the glaring doubts still persist over favorites, inflexibility, lack of ingame management and persisting with crap. Will be telling if viera gets game time over esr as the former offers nothing yet the latter, if given a run and fit is huge asset.

The hope is he learns and improves the fear is he cant/won't, we also need to acknowledge the league is very poor bar victims and city. That suicide ball scum are close to top 4 says it all.

[Stuart L (2)]

I understand people dont like Arteta and this forms their basis for their opinion on him. However our defensive prowess is levelling up. Teams struggle to get into our final third let alone carve a string of high quality chances.

Ill still never understand the desire to see this manager sacked and replaced by a casual. Its irrational

I like Arteta and certainly don't want him replaced. He's doing a great job, has the desire and ambition needed. Sure he's gonna make a few errors but so what, so does everyone else.
They should give him another £700m in the summer.

Same, he has brought the team to the level now where both Pool and City see us as serious contenders on all fronts, and back above the spuds which wasn't very nice when they very nearly won the CL a few seasons back and finished above us in the league for several seasons.

The problem for Arteta is that in this era, its tougher than ever to win the league. Competition is rife, and the standards of even some of the clubs below us is insane. Put this side out in 2008, when we should have won the league and I believe they would have got over the line. We still need a few more players to complete the squad, but sooner or later I believe with Arteta we will hit the jackpot.

What gives me great hope is just how much room to improve we have - part of our down fall last season was our inexperience.

We are a year more mature in the likes of Saka, Saliba, etc and have added Rice, who has contributed enormously to us being more defensively solid. Kiwor, given some game time has not looked out of place at left back and is certainly more reliable than Zinchencko, with added physicality in our box and our opponents.
Timber still to come, hopefully by end of March to contribute to the run in, and many seasons beyond.

Liverpool will have to cope with the departure of Klopp and possibly lose Salah, while City may let De Bryne move on apparently as at 32 it’s now or never to get a transfer fee for him ( I know they could possibly spend big to replace him, but there are no guarantees it works out )

To a degree your very correct Stuart, but the glaring doubts still persist over favorites, inflexibility, lack of ingame management and persisting with crap. Will be telling if viera gets game time over esr as the former offers nothing yet the latter, if given a run and fit is huge asset.

The hope is he learns and improves the fear is he cant/won't, we also need to acknowledge the league is very poor bar victims and city. That suicide ball scum are close to top 4 says it all.

Neither Vieira or Jesus got game time yesterday, both of whom are seen as favourites of the manager.
Ingame management yesterday was resting 5 of our attack minded players to give them a decent break and also give minutes in the legs of those subs we might be needing over yeh next 3 months.

Virtually everyone ( me included ) was imploring us to buy a striker , yet here we are with the best goal difference ( more than City, who have the best striker in the league (world ?)

Many slagged off Jorginho as a Chav reject, yet he ran the game yesterday.

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that “Legohead, Pep’s come boy, Farteta, “ etc etc as a former premier league player, captain, coach and manager, knows more about the game than me.

Thats not to say I can’t criticise him or the players when it goes wrong but praise is also due when appropriate and right now we are looking good, with the prospect of getting better.