Man Cheaty 115 charges / Everton / Other Corruption Super Thread (merged)

[BobbyPires7]

People who dismiss this case and think City are getting off do not understand what has happened here. This is several years in the making City have repeatedly refused to cooperate (charges on their own). Their defence has been to disagree with a set of rules they have signed up to. It doens’t stack up that they will get off.

Example. I’m charged with murdering someone.
Defence - It wasn’t murder. I merely massaged his torso with my knife.
Prosecution - the man’s dead and you plunged a knife in to him. We have all the evidence. It was all on CCTV. What’s your actual defence?
Defence - I don’t agree with murder as a crime. It should be allowed.
Prosecution - it doesn’t work that way mate.

[Almunia is a clown]

Untold Arsenal are now debating what will or won't happen if Oil Cheaty get found guilty or charges are dropped. Talk of other PL clubs walking away from Oil Citeh, Chav Nazis & Newcastle Headchoppers & leaving them at it!

Scouse forums calling for LIverpool, Arsenal & Man Utd to lead a breakaway league or even better rejoin the Football League

My Tranmere Rovers mate called it right end of last season, "time for the three red giants to save english football"

There is no way the yank owners of the "red giants" will continue to let the scummy corrupt clubs get their own way in future.

Arsenal have been cheated of 4 titles, Liverpool 3 & Man Utd 5, even Spurs in 2017. Time to feck these fraudsters & the crooks in the FA & PL that allowed this money laundering to happen over last 2 decades.

[A11M11]

It's the same the whole world over, it's the poor what gets the blame , It's the rich what gets the pleasure , Ain't it all a bloody shame.

[SteveO 35]

People who dismiss this case and think City are getting off do not understand what has happened here. This is several years in the making City have repeatedly refused to cooperate (charges on their own). Their defence has been to disagree with a set of rules they have signed up to. It doens’t stack up that they will get off.

Example. I’m charged with murdering someone.
Defence - It wasn’t murder. I merely massaged his torso with my knife.
Prosecution - the man’s dead and you plunged a knife in to him. We have all the evidence. It was all on CCTV. What’s your actual defence?
Defence - I don’t agree with murder as a crime. It should be allowed.
Prosecution - it doesn’t work that way mate.

All good apart from the fact that these charges date back to 2009 - something as straight forward as evidential murder wouldn't take 15 years to get to court!

[SteveO 35]

Tbh I'm not even gonna get into this debate cos there isnt a part of me that believes they will be found guilty, and even if they are found guilty the "punishment" will be so inconsequential so as to make no difference to the game going forward. I've never been a fan of FFP anyway cos I think that there is something fundamentally wrong in stopping an owner spending his own money on his club, BUT if they chose to go this route then they have to be willing to see it through properly and I dont see evidence of that. Docking pts from smaller clubs is all well and dandy, but they cant even get this case to trial much less render any meaningful punishments, so how are we supposed to believe that justice will be served. In life there has always been two different types of justice (justice for the rich and lesser justice for the poor), and seeing as there is massive money involved here, I cannot see a just outcome coming. I think the prospect of spending years in appeals, plus the massive stain it will bring on the league, will basically neuter any proper sanctions

Exactly - I always said the FFP rules would be dismissed by the likes of the Chavs and City. Loopholes found, tax consultants, lawyers, forensic accountants, the world's most expensive advisors will find all sorts of ways to query interpretations of laws and they will do what they did before - accept some sort of fine - £10m or something which the Premier League will be delighted with and won't tarnish their product. Can you imagine the look for the global brand of the PL if everything City have achieved since as far back as 2009 suddenly had an asterisk against it in the same way that Olympic golds were retrospectively taken away from doped athletes. All those commercial contracts worth billions, the TV companies etc would all be associated with a tarnished product where its most successful team had been discredited for a 15 year period. It just isn't going to happen. As much as we'd like it too, it isn't going to happen

If the PL didn't want a PR disaster they wouldn't have charged city with anything

Anyone has to be seen to investigate don't they - which they are doing. As i say, there will be an outcome - a fine and possibly a suspended points deduction which will never actually get applied. I'm prepared to wager with anyone that all this talk of relegation of one or more divisions will NEVER happen

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Which match is the Chief Exec of the Premier League at on Sunday?

He doesn’t want to hand over any more titles to cheats.

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticFC/statu ... 0957862281

The fact he did it last year and now is seeming to distant himself from it/them is, possibly, a good sign.

Or, perhaps, the PL are looking to undermine City and plan to have Arsenal win the league so that the PL can begin to save face once they pull the rug? I should stop day drinking.

[BobbyPires7]

People who dismiss this case and think City are getting off do not understand what has happened here. This is several years in the making City have repeatedly refused to cooperate (charges on their own). Their defence has been to disagree with a set of rules they have signed up to. It doens’t stack up that they will get off.

Example. I’m charged with murdering someone.
Defence - It wasn’t murder. I merely massaged his torso with my knife.
Prosecution - the man’s dead and you plunged a knife in to him. We have all the evidence. It was all on CCTV. What’s your actual defence?
Defence - I don’t agree with murder as a crime. It should be allowed.
Prosecution - it doesn’t work that way mate.

All good apart from the fact that these charges date back to 2009 - something as straight forward as evidential murder wouldn't take 15 years to get to court!

Have you not read the link that plots what they have been up to obstructing it??

[BobbyPires7]

Tbh I'm not even gonna get into this debate cos there isnt a part of me that believes they will be found guilty, and even if they are found guilty the "punishment" will be so inconsequential so as to make no difference to the game going forward. I've never been a fan of FFP anyway cos I think that there is something fundamentally wrong in stopping an owner spending his own money on his club, BUT if they chose to go this route then they have to be willing to see it through properly and I dont see evidence of that. Docking pts from smaller clubs is all well and dandy, but they cant even get this case to trial much less render any meaningful punishments, so how are we supposed to believe that justice will be served. In life there has always been two different types of justice (justice for the rich and lesser justice for the poor), and seeing as there is massive money involved here, I cannot see a just outcome coming. I think the prospect of spending years in appeals, plus the massive stain it will bring on the league, will basically neuter any proper sanctions

Exactly - I always said the FFP rules would be dismissed by the likes of the Chavs and City. Loopholes found, tax consultants, lawyers, forensic accountants, the world's most expensive advisors will find all sorts of ways to query interpretations of laws and they will do what they did before - accept some sort of fine - £10m or something which the Premier League will be delighted with and won't tarnish their product. Can you imagine the look for the global brand of the PL if everything City have achieved since as far back as 2009 suddenly had an asterisk against it in the same way that Olympic golds were retrospectively taken away from doped athletes. All those commercial contracts worth billions, the TV companies etc would all be associated with a tarnished product where its most successful team had been discredited for a 15 year period. It just isn't going to happen. As much as we'd like it too, it isn't going to happen

If the PL didn't want a PR disaster they wouldn't have charged city with anything

Anyone has to be seen to investigate don't they - which they are doing. As i say, there will be an outcome - a fine and possibly a suspended points deduction which will never actually get applied. I'm prepared to wager with anyone that all this talk of relegation of one or more divisions will NEVER happen

I’ll take that bet.

I have spoken to City fans who are Partners at top professional firms in the City who have admitted City are guilty and simply dragging out and will then hope for a fine. There is no debate about their guilt in those sorts of circles. Social media is awash with clowns saying City are not guilty. It’s just not the case. City hace lawyered up because they are guilty. The Premier League do not take kindly to this kind of obstruction and are spending a fucking fortune fighting it.

[augie]

Tbh I'm not even gonna get into this debate cos there isnt a part of me that believes they will be found guilty, and even if they are found guilty the "punishment" will be so inconsequential so as to make no difference to the game going forward. I've never been a fan of FFP anyway cos I think that there is something fundamentally wrong in stopping an owner spending his own money on his club, BUT if they chose to go this route then they have to be willing to see it through properly and I dont see evidence of that. Docking pts from smaller clubs is all well and dandy, but they cant even get this case to trial much less render any meaningful punishments, so how are we supposed to believe that justice will be served. In life there has always been two different types of justice (justice for the rich and lesser justice for the poor), and seeing as there is massive money involved here, I cannot see a just outcome coming. I think the prospect of spending years in appeals, plus the massive stain it will bring on the league, will basically neuter any proper sanctions

Exactly - I always said the FFP rules would be dismissed by the likes of the Chavs and City. Loopholes found, tax consultants, lawyers, forensic accountants, the world's most expensive advisors will find all sorts of ways to query interpretations of laws and they will do what they did before - accept some sort of fine - £10m or something which the Premier League will be delighted with and won't tarnish their product. Can you imagine the look for the global brand of the PL if everything City have achieved since as far back as 2009 suddenly had an asterisk against it in the same way that Olympic golds were retrospectively taken away from doped athletes. All those commercial contracts worth billions, the TV companies etc would all be associated with a tarnished product where its most successful team had been discredited for a 15 year period. It just isn't going to happen. As much as we'd like it too, it isn't going to happen

If the PL didn't want a PR disaster they wouldn't have charged city with anything

Fans of other football clubs up and down the country (not just premier league fans btw) have long since moaned and bitched about citeeh buying and cheating their way to success - the premier league are under pressure to investigate them and when they find them not guilty, they will then be able to turn around and say to the world "we told you our product is clean" If by some miracle they decide on a guilty verdict, they will then come out with some big fine and claim that the punishment shows that the premier league is all about integrity, but it ignores the reality that fining a oil funded club is a waste of time cos money is no problem The reality is that only a massive points deduction or relegation along with a transfer embargo for at least 4 transfer windows will be viewed as proper punishment - the fact that these charges go back years tells me that a points deduction would be very hard to implement at this stage, but I suspect that even at this stage the premier league regret going after citeeh cos the legal bill will be massive. Have you ever been in a car accident that went legal cos that is what I would compare it to - so many times insurance companies will settle a claim instead of fighting it regardless of whether you are in right or not simply because it is more cost effective to them to just make it go away instead of going to court

[BobbyPires7]

Tbh I'm not even gonna get into this debate cos there isnt a part of me that believes they will be found guilty, and even if they are found guilty the "punishment" will be so inconsequential so as to make no difference to the game going forward. I've never been a fan of FFP anyway cos I think that there is something fundamentally wrong in stopping an owner spending his own money on his club, BUT if they chose to go this route then they have to be willing to see it through properly and I dont see evidence of that. Docking pts from smaller clubs is all well and dandy, but they cant even get this case to trial much less render any meaningful punishments, so how are we supposed to believe that justice will be served. In life there has always been two different types of justice (justice for the rich and lesser justice for the poor), and seeing as there is massive money involved here, I cannot see a just outcome coming. I think the prospect of spending years in appeals, plus the massive stain it will bring on the league, will basically neuter any proper sanctions

Exactly - I always said the FFP rules would be dismissed by the likes of the Chavs and City. Loopholes found, tax consultants, lawyers, forensic accountants, the world's most expensive advisors will find all sorts of ways to query interpretations of laws and they will do what they did before - accept some sort of fine - £10m or something which the Premier League will be delighted with and won't tarnish their product. Can you imagine the look for the global brand of the PL if everything City have achieved since as far back as 2009 suddenly had an asterisk against it in the same way that Olympic golds were retrospectively taken away from doped athletes. All those commercial contracts worth billions, the TV companies etc would all be associated with a tarnished product where its most successful team had been discredited for a 15 year period. It just isn't going to happen. As much as we'd like it too, it isn't going to happen

If the PL didn't want a PR disaster they wouldn't have charged city with anything

Fans of other football clubs up and down the country (not just premier league fans btw) have long since moaned and bitched about citeeh buying and cheating their way to success - the premier league are under pressure to investigate them and when they find them not guilty, they will then be able to turn around and say to the world "we told you our product is clean" If by some miracle they decide on a guilty verdict, they will then come out with some big fine and claim that the punishment shows that the premier league is all about integrity, but it ignores the reality that fining a oil funded club is a waste of time cos money is no problem The reality is that only a massive points deduction or relegation along with a transfer embargo for at least 4 transfer windows will be viewed as proper punishment - the fact that these charges go back years tells me that a points deduction would be very hard to implement at this stage, but I suspect that even at this stage the premier league regret going after citeeh cos the legal bill will be massive. Have you ever been in a car accident that went legal cos that is what I would compare it to - so many times insurance companies will settle a claim instead of fighting it regardless of whether you are in right or not simply because it is more cost effective to them to just make it go away instead of going to court

In the land of make believe this wouldn’t even be believed. City will be found guilty.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

City fan in twitter -

“That stinks of planned conspiracy! Normally he would surely attend the title favourites game! Stand by for corruption beyond belief“

https://x.com/leedavies1969/status/1791 ... 96297?s=61

The cheek of these people.

“Plot Twist - The league is indeed rigged and Arsenal are winning on the last day of the season by design.”

https://x.com/aquinowill/status/1791099 ... 27163?s=61

“ Man City WILL pick up an early red card in their game because of Richard Masters influence on officiating.
Arsenal will be crowned champions!”

https://x.com/coachalexb/status/1791123 ... 19349?s=61 (This one is from an Arsenal fan, apparently).

[SteveO 35]

People who dismiss this case and think City are getting off do not understand what has happened here. This is several years in the making City have repeatedly refused to cooperate (charges on their own). Their defence has been to disagree with a set of rules they have signed up to. It doens’t stack up that they will get off.

Example. I’m charged with murdering someone.
Defence - It wasn’t murder. I merely massaged his torso with my knife.
Prosecution - the man’s dead and you plunged a knife in to him. We have all the evidence. It was all on CCTV. What’s your actual defence?
Defence - I don’t agree with murder as a crime. It should be allowed.
Prosecution - it doesn’t work that way mate.

All good apart from the fact that these charges date back to 2009 - something as straight forward as evidential murder wouldn't take 15 years to get to court!

Have you not read the link that plots what they have been up to obstructing it??

I have mate, and believe me I soooooo want you to be right. I just don't trust the PL. Surely if someone is deliberately blocking an investigation, that should have been sufficient to get a hearing much quicker than the PL have managed. If this was a murder investigation I'm sure the accused wouldn't be able to ignore or choose not to comply with an investigation over a 3 year period? Why haven't they been able to bring that forward? Surely if City were in any way concerned they would have confronted the issue to try and mitigate the punishment in the way Everton and Forest did?

[Stuart L (2)]

People who dismiss this case and think City are getting off do not understand what has happened here. This is several years in the making City have repeatedly refused to cooperate (charges on their own). Their defence has been to disagree with a set of rules they have signed up to. It doens’t stack up that they will get off.

Example. I’m charged with murdering someone.
Defence - It wasn’t murder. I merely massaged his torso with my knife.
Prosecution - the man’s dead and you plunged a knife in to him. We have all the evidence. It was all on CCTV. What’s your actual defence?
Defence - I don’t agree with murder as a crime. It should be allowed.
Prosecution - it doesn’t work that way mate.

All good apart from the fact that these charges date back to 2009 - something as straight forward as evidential murder wouldn't take 15 years to get to court!

Have you not read the link that plots what they have been up to obstructing it??

I have mate, and believe me I soooooo want you to be right. I just don't trust the PL. Surely if someone is deliberately blocking an investigation, that should have been sufficient to get a hearing much quicker than the PL have managed. If this was a murder investigation I'm sure the accused wouldn't be able to ignore or choose not to comply with an investigation over a 3 year period? Why haven't they been able to bring that forward? Surely if City were in any way concerned they would have confronted the issue to try and mitigate the punishment in the way Everton and Forest did?

If they have been charged with (I think 54) charges of failing to co-operate, keep requesting on a monthly basis them to co-operate so they continue to accumulate charges against them

[DB10GOONER]

I've merged the 115 charges and Everton point reduction / Corruption threads because its all the same kind of content and I'm not modding it in two locations.

Please, once again lads, have a look at the forum and if there is a thread your comment will fit in, then please use that existing thread rather than start a new thread that ends up duplicating alot of stuff from the original thread. Cheers.

[Midz]

I'm very impressed with Super Thread