Everton H Sun 19th May KO 4pm

[Midz]

Well done Arsenal!!

It's been a real pleasure to watch you this season and I'm looking forward to what you do next season.

[Retro Gunner]

It remains to be seen if Bob is right, let's hope he is, but it would be a good idea if the official supporters clubs for each club got together to make a fuss in the media. Given that the MSM are pretty much silent over the matter, that fuss might need to initially be made on social media, but fans of other clubs ought to be screaming about this as loudly as possible, so that the PL and FA are put under pressure.

[Stuart L (2)]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Premier League bring the charges forward now that’s it’s 6 titles for Man City in 7 seasons. They’ll be wary of a Bundesliga/Ligue1 situation developing and will be keen to be seen as “doing something” - even thought the punishment will of course amount to Jack shit.

With the season now over they can bring them to task

IF and that is a huge IF they had the balls to relegate them what do you think they would do in terms of promoting a club to fill the gap ?

Not relegate plucky old Luton ?
Or both of Southampton and Leeds get promoted ?

[Andrew]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Premier League bring the charges forward now that’s it’s 6 titles for Man City in 7 seasons. They’ll be wary of a Bundesliga/Ligue1 situation developing and will be keen to be seen as “doing something” - even thought the punishment will of course amount to Jack shit.

With the season now over they can bring them to task

IF and that is a huge IF they had the balls to relegate them what do you think they would do in terms of promoting a club to fill the gap ?

Not relegate plucky old Luton ?
Or both of Southampton and Leeds get promoted ?

Barnet for the Premier League. The campaign starts here.

#JFT115

[BobbyPires7]

Lucky win today. No way that is allowed if it won us the League.

[cameron326]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Premier League bring the charges forward now that’s it’s 6 titles for Man City in 7 seasons. They’ll be wary of a Bundesliga/Ligue1 situation developing and will be keen to be seen as “doing something” - even thought the punishment will of course amount to Jack shit.

With the season now over they can bring them to task

IF and that is a huge IF they had the balls to relegate them what do you think they would do in terms of promoting a club to fill the gap ?

Not relegate plucky old Luton ?
Or both of Southampton and Leeds get promoted ?

Well pure speculation on my part. But if I was betting on it I’d guess
A) they will certainly be punished.
B) no, they wouldn’t have the balls (or likely the desire either) to relegate them - much less retrospectively take away titles.
C) much more likely is a points deduction ala Everton etc. I reckon they’ll go for something around 20 points: not enough to stop them scrapping for top 4 come season end, but enough to let another team win the title that season. Put a big fine on top of that as well.

This approach is win win for the Premier League: City have been “punished” … but the brand hasn’t been soiled too much, which relegation etc would do (PL -“”Man City didn’t “cheat” their way to titles, their accountant was just a bit naughty””) And finally, another team will lift the trophy - for one season at least - hence putting off “farmer’s league’ jibes, at least for a while.

Just my guess anyway.

[cameron326]

Lucky win today. No way that is allowed if it won us the League.

Wasn’t the most convincing of displays. I find our current odds for next season (2/1 I saw earlier) pretty laughable really. We are seen as big scalp again now. We will need to be way more clinical in terms of calmly controlling games to stay anywhere near City again next season.

[the playing mantis]

Lucky win today. No way that is allowed if it won us the League.

Wasn’t the most convincing of displays. I find our current odds for next season (2/1 I saw earlier) pretty laughable really. We are seen as big scalp again now. We will need to be way more clinical in terms of calmly controlling games to stay anywhere near City again next season.

I suspect people said the same last year...

Like the manager or not we have made a valiant effort and been denied by cheats. Can't really ask much more than that. Plenty of work to be done turds to be flushed and positions we are screaming out for to be strengthened, which if not questions will rightly be asked.

For now I'm quite proud of the team and club.

[cameron326]

Lucky win today. No way that is allowed if it won us the League.

Wasn’t the most convincing of displays. I find our current odds for next season (2/1 I saw earlier) pretty laughable really. We are seen as big scalp again now. We will need to be way more clinical in terms of calmly controlling games to stay anywhere near City again next season.

I suspect people said the same last year...

Like the manager or not we have made a valiant effort and been denied by cheats. Can't really ask much more than that. Plenty of work to be done turds to be flushed and positions we are screaming out for to be strengthened, which if not questions will rightly be asked.

For now I'm quite proud of the team and club.

A big improvement on last season. But we will need another step up to win it next year. Back to square one with a massive hard slog ahead of us. And Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool,Tottenham, Newcastle etc will all be giving 100% to stop us. We will need at least 4 significant backup/upgrades IMO. And we can’t throw away points to the likes of West Ham/Fulham etc anymore.

[the playing mantis]

My point is we have had a target since last season. Nothing changes there.i highly doubt this season makes the top 6 have more effort to beat us.

If anything we should have a fear factor that helps us now. We ain't a laughing stock.

[augie]

Lucky win today. No way that is allowed if it won us the League.

Wasn’t the most convincing of displays. I find our current odds for next season (2/1 I saw earlier) pretty laughable really. We are seen as big scalp again now. We will need to be way more clinical in terms of calmly controlling games to stay anywhere near City again next season.

I suspect people said the same last year...

Like the manager or not we have made a valiant effort and been denied by cheats. Can't really ask much more than that. Plenty of work to be done turds to be flushed and positions we are screaming out for to be strengthened, which if not questions will rightly be asked.

For now I'm quite proud of the team and club.

This is just an observation not a judgement, but I find it very noticeable that a lot more Gooners are grabbing onto this line of thought than did last year and they had already been hit with the charges before end of last season - why is that ? Last seasons collapse hit me harder than this seasons shortcomings tbh - last season we played an awful lot better for most of the season and we choked on the run in, so is it cos of that that our fans blamed ourselves last season more than the 115 cheating charges ? Is it cos two clubs have been punished this season and citeeh's still hasnt been dealt with ? Football fans are funny cos I seen someone on here yesterday suggest that the supporters of all the other clubs should get together to kick up a fuss about citeeh, but honestly football doesnt work that way - 90% of the other clubs know that they have zero chance of winning the league any season and as a result dont give a flying fcuk who wins it Citeeh's cheating matters little to west ham or palace for example, so why would they protest ? Again as much as football fans bleat about wanting fair play, if citeeh start next season on minus 20pts (or relegated) and if the victims (for example) went on to win the league, we and every other set of fans would give them stick about only winning it cos citeeh were handicapped - it would have an asterik on it only in reverse. Like I said already, football fans are funny and when they say they want justice and fair play, what we mean is that we want what suits our team only cos we like in our own bubble and every teams fans are the same.

Honestly I'm not sure how the league and its image and integrity can come out of this debacle unscathed - for many the damage is already done, but IF there is punishment on the way, it has to bring permanent changes that will make a difference going forward, and because football is a worldwwide sport I'm not sure that is feasible

[Retro Gunner]

Lucky win today. No way that is allowed if it won us the League.

Wasn’t the most convincing of displays. I find our current odds for next season (2/1 I saw earlier) pretty laughable really. We are seen as big scalp again now. We will need to be way more clinical in terms of calmly controlling games to stay anywhere near City again next season.

I suspect people said the same last year...

Like the manager or not we have made a valiant effort and been denied by cheats. Can't really ask much more than that. Plenty of work to be done turds to be flushed and positions we are screaming out for to be strengthened, which if not questions will rightly be asked.

For now I'm quite proud of the team and club.

This is just an observation not a judgement, but I find it very noticeable that a lot more Gooners are grabbing onto this line of thought than did last year and they had already been hit with the charges before end of last season - why is that ? Last seasons collapse hit me harder than this seasons shortcomings tbh - last season we played an awful lot better for most of the season and we choked on the run in, so is it cos of that that our fans blamed ourselves last season more than the 115 cheating charges ? Is it cos two clubs have been punished this season and citeeh's still hasnt been dealt with ? Football fans are funny cos I seen someone on here yesterday suggest that the supporters of all the other clubs should get together to kick up a fuss about citeeh, but honestly football doesnt work that way - 90% of the other clubs know that they have zero chance of winning the league any season and as a result dont give a flying fcuk who wins it Citeeh's cheating matters little to west ham or palace for example, so why would they protest ? Again as much as football fans bleat about wanting fair play, if citeeh start next season on minus 20pts (or relegated) and if the victims (for example) went on to win the league, we and every other set of fans would give them stick about only winning it cos citeeh were handicapped - it would have an asterik on it only in reverse. Like I said already, football fans are funny and when they say they want justice and fair play, what we mean is that we want what suits our team only cos we like in our own bubble and every teams fans are the same.

Honestly I'm not sure how the league and its image and integrity can come out of this debacle unscathed - for many the damage is already done, but IF there is punishment on the way, it has to bring permanent changes that will make a difference going forward, and because football is a worldwwide sport I'm not sure that is feasible

Yeah, that was me augie. I think you’re underestimating the power that supporters still have and especially if they’re organised. Ok, maybe the bit part players like Brentford and Wolves won’t give a fuck, but the supporters of the Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea and the scum certainly will and the likes of Villa amongst others must know that a doped up City removes a chance of a European place.

Anyway, my suggestion was that the official supporters clubs of other teams were the ones to campaign about this and if they publicise it, the fans might well get fired up. Those supporters clubs also talk to each other, so I’m sure they could rope the smaller clubs in.

We know that football has changed completely in the last 30 years, but supporters are still the lifeblood of the game and mobilised by their official supporters clubs could make a hell of a fuss. Let’s not forget how fan reaction got the big clubs here and in Europe rapidly back-pedalling on their attempts to implement a super league.
If a group of the biggest clubs in Europe could be forced to alter course, then I’m sure that the authorities can be shamed into dealing properly with one big club.

It might make no difference but surely it’s incumbent on the supporters clubs to try?

[augie]

I'm not doubting the power of supporters, but I am doubting their mindset - supporters are by their very nature selfish and only care about their own club, and citeeh's corruption will mean fcuk all to most clubs cos they aint gonna win the league anyway, so as long as their rivals dont win it, then they wont care a jot. I also think fans will be worried that if they gang up on citeeh now, down the line all these clubs could be ganging up on them and their club, so they wont want to make enemies for themselves

Honestly the fans shouldnt be necessary to drive this thing forward, and if it is dependent on the fans then you know it is fcuked before it starts. I read an article in the telegraph this morning where they suggested in a throw away line that these 115 charges will drag out over the next season as well - I'm sorry but if thats the case then we may as well bin the charges altogether. The old saying is justice delayed is justice denied, and if citeeh are dragging this out then they need to be suspended from playing in the premier league until the lawyers stop fcuking about and deal with this saga - honestly how many more league titles are they gonna be allowed win whilst under investigation ? There has to be a time limit for this to come to court/trial, but I wonder if citeeh are dragging it out until pep leaves so as to protect him ?

[Gunner Rob]

I'm not doubting the power of supporters, but I am doubting their mindset - supporters are by their very nature selfish and only care about their own club, and citeeh's corruption will mean fcuk all to most clubs cos they aint gonna win the league anyway, so as long as their rivals dont win it, then they wont care a jot. I also think fans will be worried that if they gang up on citeeh now, down the line all these clubs could be ganging up on them and their club, so they wont want to make enemies for themselves

Honestly the fans shouldnt be necessary to drive this thing forward, and if it is dependent on the fans then you know it is fcuked before it starts. I read an article in the telegraph this morning where they suggested in a throw away line that these 115 charges will drag out over the next season as well - I'm sorry but if thats the case then we may as well bin the charges altogether. The old saying is justice delayed is justice denied, and if citeeh are dragging this out then they need to be suspended from playing in the premier league until the lawyers stop fcuking about and deal with this saga - honestly how many more league titles are they gonna be allowed win whilst under investigation ? There has to be a time limit for this to come to court/trial, but I wonder if citeeh are dragging it out until pep leaves so as to protect him ?

City will never be found guilty

What people are forgetting is that Manchester City is a state run football club and so for the PL to punish City this will harm the UAE.
This will damage UK/UAE relations so Manchester City can never be punished.

[the playing mantis]

Augie although i generally share most of your views, even if we had won thr league you would have moaned!

I guess your jealous of artetas hair...arnt we all!