Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Retro Gunner]

Someone had better call an Ambulance with a Straight Jacket for Augie.

While you at it, please order a half hundred weight of Valium for me, DB and Mantis to share.

Behave I'm open minded!

Till the window slams shut.


Although my sources tell me the new contract will have a 'De Zerbi' clause. Should a striking young Italian manager become available and express an interest in the Arsenal job, Arteta has to step aside.

Uswilson will be pleased

Open minded? Nah. That’s fake optimism. You know what’s coming just as well as Uncle Retro knows. No new striker.

I’d like to see that open mindedness tested if we bought Stirling.

That's like asking how "open minded" I'd be if I was thrown into prison with a bunch of rapey lifers....

The answer is not, not at all !!

Well, if you get put inside, be sure to take Rodders with you...he'll happily take the heat.

[OneBardGooner]

While you at it, please order a half hundred weight of Valium for me, DB and Mantis to share.

Behave I'm open minded!

Till the window slams shut.


Although my sources tell me the new contract will have a 'De Zerbi' clause. Should a striking young Italian manager become available and express an interest in the Arsenal job, Arteta has to step aside.

Uswilson will be pleased

Open minded? Nah. That’s fake optimism. You know what’s coming just as well as Uncle Retro knows. No new striker.

I’d like to see that open mindedness tested if we bought Stirling.

That's like asking how "open minded" I'd be if I was thrown into prison with a bunch of rapey lifers....

The answer is not, not at all !!

Well, if you get put inside, be sure to take Rodders with you...he'll happily take the heat.

So in essence Retro you are saying you would happily share a Cell with Spuddy!

[wilson2.0]

New deal to 2027

[mcdowell42]

EXCLUSIVE: Mikel Arteta agrees new three-year contract as Arsenal manager. 42yo Spaniard was into final 12 months of previous deal but any uncertainty now removed - fresh terms run until 2027. Huge boost for #AFC before north London derby @TheAthleticFC


Cue meltdown

[Retro Gunner]

New deal to 2027

Ok Wilson, time to go out on a limb. By the end of the the new contract he’ll have been at the helm for 7 1/2 seasons. Currently, despite about 800k spent and full backing from the owners for his “process”, he’s won one trophy, in his first half season way back in 2020.

What trophy haul are we entitled to expect in the next three seasons to consider Arteta a success?

[Nick Nack]

Three more years on the cusp

[rodders999]

No official statement about it, seems like sky have jumped the gun - even in their own article it says the news has come on the eve of Sunday's game so was this meant to come out Saturday?

Nothing on Arsenal twatter or .com - all a bit odd really.

[wilson2.0]

New deal to 2027

Ok Wilson, time to go out on a limb. By the end of the the new contract he’ll have been at the helm for 7 1/2 seasons. Currently, despite about 800k spent and full backing from the owners for his “process”, he’s won one trophy, in his first half season way back in 2020.

What trophy haul are we entitled to expect in the next three seasons to consider Arteta a success?

Arteta will walk in 2027 if we haven't won the PL or CL as he will worry about his career being classed as a 'nearly man'. A misconception is Arteta is just happy to finish in the top 4 to keep the Kroenke's happy and pick up his cheque - this is false. Arteta is very ambitious and wants to win honours.

So I wouldn't worry about sacking him, as he is more likely to walk if we continue to follow a close 2nd.

Lets also remember we were not a trophy winning machine propr to Arteta. We went through decades of malaise with Wenger's passive approach and outdated tactics. Split ownership which caused a lack of investment in the team. This chronic underinvestment was horrible, we sold player and replaced them with discount versions. Ironically Arteta was one of these discount players when he was brought in the year we sold Nasri and Fabregas.

What's Arteta's crime again? That he hasn't taken banter Arsenal to the peaks of football which we haven't been since 2004. 15 years separated 2004 and 2019 when he got the job. What should we have won by know with Klopp and Pep was domestic rivals?

Ive always said, if Arteta left us, he would win the league of a top 5 league or the CL before we do.

[OneBardGooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcc8VNl7JaY


AUGIE! Take one of your "Pills" Before you watch this..

[Retro Gunner]

New deal to 2027

Ok Wilson, time to go out on a limb. By the end of the the new contract he’ll have been at the helm for 7 1/2 seasons. Currently, despite about 800k spent and full backing from the owners for his “process”, he’s won one trophy, in his first half season way back in 2020.

What trophy haul are we entitled to expect in the next three seasons to consider Arteta a success?

Arteta will walk in 2027 if we haven't won the PL or CL as he will worry about his career being classed as a 'nearly man'. A misconception is Arteta is just happy to finish in the top 4 to keep the Kroenke's happy and pick up his cheque - this is false. Arteta is very ambitious and wants to win honours.

So I wouldn't worry about sacking him, as he is more likely to walk if we continue to follow a close 2nd.

Lets also remember we were not a trophy winning machine propr to Arteta. We went through decades of malaise with Wenger's passive approach and outdated tactics. Split ownership which caused a lack of investment in the team. This chronic underinvestment was horrible, we sold player and replaced them with discount versions. Ironically Arteta was one of these discount players when he was brought in the year we sold Nasri and Fabregas.

What's Arteta's crime again? That he hasn't taken banter Arsenal to the peaks of football which we haven't been since 2004. 15 years separated 2004 and 2019 when he got the job. What should we have won by know with Klopp and Pep was domestic rivals?

Ive always said, if Arteta left us, he would win the league of a top 5 league or the CL before we do.

Lots of straw men in that response.

If he wins nothing between now and May 2027, then “nearly man” would be flattering him. I’d say “failure”.

With respect, you don’t need to educate many on here about the dismal 10+ years of mismanagement by Wenger, but that can’t be used as a yardstick with which to judge Arteta. Personally, I’d have sacked Wenger at the end of 2007/08 and mates of mine thought I was mad. They didn’t think so 10 years later. So, I’m entitled to judge Arteta by the standards I expect from a manager of a top club, not by previous washed up failures. Emery inherited the worst of the shitty end of the stick and Arteta has been given plenty of time and money to erase the mess left by Wenger. The last two seasons, at least, has been Arteta’s side and his philosophy. No excuses.

No one is accusing Arteta of any “crime”, so please don’t exaggerate the observations and concerns of other supporters. We are assessing, quite fairly in my opinion, the time and money he has been afforded and the time has come to see some tangible results.

Forget the nonsense about Pep and Klopp….take a look at what Klopp had achieved after his first 4-5 years at Liverpool and what he achieved after that, despite a worse inheritance than Arteta received. As I’ve said before, let’s not forget that Ten Haag (who I don’t rate) has won two trophies in two years with a pile of crap, despite Pep, Klopp and indeed Arteta being around. You’re manufacturing excuses where none exist and it’s attitudes like yours that kept Wenger at the helm for so long. No big club in any league would accept 5 years with one trophy won in the first half season and they certainly wouldn’t accept it after 7 1/2 years. We claim to be a big club, but seriously lack the ambition to act like one.

By the way, you dodged the question. What, in your opinion, does Arteta need to win by May 2027 for his tenure to be deemed a success?

[rodders999]

I'm chairman of the #TeamTets fan club round ere so can handle that one - we will have won the league and champions league by May 2027.

Roddaz Knows

[rodders999]

Official now on the dot come and socials - I still reckon this has come out before it was meant to.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Three more years on the cusp

'Champions of cusping, you'll never sing that!'

[TeeCee]

I wouldn't bestow any praise on Ten Bob at ManU. They have benefitted from something like 19 home cup draws out of 20 over the last few years and most have been against much poorer teams.
Let's be honest, Man U have prioritised the cups over the last few years as they know that they are so far off the pace for the title, and it's the same this season. But a lot of teams still shit their pants at the 'Theatre of Nightmares' and don't even put up a fight.

It's hard to judge the last few years because of City being so pimped, it's the same if you look at 2003/4 for 8 years, the Chavs won the league or finished 2nd every year after Abramovich came in and did the same thing City have done. It makes a massive difference to those clubs being run 'normally', so in my opinion it's wrong to criticise anyone for finishing behind a team that has a bench full of 50-100m players every week!

Arteta has now been backed fully in the transfer market and he's got rid of the dead wood. Anything lower then 2nd is a failure and we really ought to be in the semis/Final for some cups. I don't think he'll last to his last year if we don't win anything in the next season and a half/2 seasons. Because at that point (or sooner) Saliba, Saka and probably one or two others will be off to Madrid to win things.

Arteta has managed to make watching Arsenal enjoyable again (on the whole) and we are competitive, something most of us have moaned about NOT being for a long time. I wish he had bought a striker because there would be less to moan at but by not doing so he is now walking with a target on his back and he's there to be shot at. I'm glad he's signed a contract, there's no-one else available who I would rather see managing us but it's time to take the extra step and win things because this is a seriously good team we have.....it just needs a couple more signings to get us there maybe because the reality is, we are a couple of injuries away from being in trouble......particularly Ode and Saka......or Rice and Ode (Merino would have really lessened the blow but........)

[DB10GOONER]

New deal to 2027

Ok Wilson, time to go out on a limb. By the end of the the new contract he’ll have been at the helm for 7 1/2 seasons. Currently, despite about 800k spent and full backing from the owners for his “process”, he’s won one trophy, in his first half season way back in 2020.

What trophy haul are we entitled to expect in the next three seasons to consider Arteta a success?

Arteta will walk in 2027 if we haven't won the PL or CL as he will worry about his career being classed as a 'nearly man'. A misconception is Arteta is just happy to finish in the top 4 to keep the Kroenke's happy and pick up his cheque - this is false. Arteta is very ambitious and wants to win honours.

So I wouldn't worry about sacking him, as he is more likely to walk if we continue to follow a close 2nd.

Lets also remember we were not a trophy winning machine propr to Arteta. We went through decades of malaise with Wenger's passive approach and outdated tactics. Split ownership which caused a lack of investment in the team. This chronic underinvestment was horrible, we sold player and replaced them with discount versions. Ironically Arteta was one of these discount players when he was brought in the year we sold Nasri and Fabregas.

What's Arteta's crime again? That he hasn't taken banter Arsenal to the peaks of football which we haven't been since 2004. 15 years separated 2004 and 2019 when he got the job. What should we have won by know with Klopp and Pep was domestic rivals?

Ive always said, if Arteta left us, he would win the league of a top 5 league or the CL before we do.

Lots of straw men in that response.

If he wins nothing between now and May 2027, then “nearly man” would be flattering him. I’d say “failure”.

With respect, you don’t need to educate many on here about the dismal 10+ years of mismanagement by Wenger, but that can’t be used as a yardstick with which to judge Arteta. Personally, I’d have sacked Wenger at the end of 2007/08 and mates of mine thought I was mad. They didn’t think so 10 years later. So, I’m entitled to judge Arteta by the standards I expect from a manager of a top club, not by previous washed up failures. Emery inherited the worst of the shitty end of the stick and Arteta had been given plenty of time and money to erase the mess left by Wenger. The last two seasons, at least, has been Arteta’s side and his philosophy. No excuses.

No one is accusing Arteta of any “crime”, so don’t please don’t exaggerate the observations and concerns of other supporters. We are assessing, quite fairly in my opinion, the time and money he has been afforded and the time has come to see some tangible results.

Forget the nonsense about Pep and Klopp….take a look at what Klopp had achieved after his first 4-5 years at Liverpool and what he achieved after that, despite a worse inheritance than Arteta received. As I’ve said before, let’s not forget that Ten Haag (who I don’t rate) has won two trophies in two years with a pile of crap, despite Pep, Klopp and indeed Arteta being around. You’re manufacturing excuses where none exist and it’s attitudes like yours that kept Wenger at the helm for so long. No big club in any league would accept 5 years with one trophy won in the first half season and they certainly wouldn’t accept it after 7 1/2 years. We claim to be a big club, but seriously lack the ambition to act like one.

By the way, you dodged the question. What, in your opinion, does Arteta need to win by May 2027 for his tenure to be deemed a success?

Good response Retro. As usual with Cusp2.0 it's all bullshit and half truths and twisting of facts. I'd add to your response that the bit I've highlighted in red is horseshit. I'm no wenger defender by any means but Cusp2.0 ignores the fact that a badly failing past it Wenger still managed to win 3 FA Cups in the last 4 years of his failing final decade. That's two more than Arteta managed in fives years and without spending the over 700 million that Arteta has spent. And Wenger is rightly deemed a failure during those years, but supposedly Arteta has been a huge success?

And that is decade singular not decades plural by the way.

Cusp2.0 is trying to give the impression that Arteta has saved Arsenal from being a nothing club, the same way the Wenger AKB used to try that line on.