DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:57 amthe playing mantis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:35 pmHave you considered de zerbi?wilson2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:02 pmIts not about Arteta its about Arsenals chances of winning the league. Hypothetical - if there was a manager who had won nothing 10 seasons in a row, and it was proven that the next year the chances of him were winning the league were 50% compared to a new manager whose chances were 30%, it would go into season 11 with the same manager.Retro Gunner wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:28 amwilson2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:42 am
Arteta will walk in 2027 if we haven't won the PL or CL as he will worry about his career being classed as a 'nearly man'. A misconception is Arteta is just happy to finish in the top 4 to keep the Kroenke's happy and pick up his cheque - this is false. Arteta is very ambitious and wants to win honours.
So I wouldn't worry about sacking him, as he is more likely to walk if we continue to follow a close 2nd.
Lets also remember we were not a trophy winning machine propr to Arteta. We went through decades of malaise with Wenger's passive approach and outdated tactics. Split ownership which caused a lack of investment in the team. This chronic underinvestment was horrible, we sold player and replaced them with discount versions. Ironically Arteta was one of these discount players when he was brought in the year we sold Nasri and Fabregas.
What's Arteta's crime again? That he hasn't taken banter Arsenal to the peaks of football which we haven't been since 2004. 15 years separated 2004 and 2019 when he got the job. What should we have won by know with Klopp and Pep was domestic rivals?
Ive always said, if Arteta left us, he would win the league of a top 5 league or the CL before we do.
Lots of straw men in that response.
If he wins nothing between now and May 2027, then “nearly man” would be flattering him. I’d say “failure”.
With respect, you don’t need to educate many on here about the dismal 10+ years of mismanagement by Wenger, but that can’t be used as a yardstick with which to judge Arteta. Personally, I’d have sacked Wenger at the end of 2007/08 and mates of mine thought I was mad. They didn’t think so 10 years later. So, I’m entitled to judge Arteta by the standards I expect from a manager of a top club, not by previous washed up failures. Emery inherited the worst of the shitty end of the stick and Arteta had been given plenty of time and money to erase the mess left by Wenger. The last two seasons, at least, has been Arteta’s side and his philosophy. No excuses.
No one is accusing Arteta of any “crime”, so don’t please don’t exaggerate the observations and concerns of other supporters. We are assessing, quite fairly in my opinion, the time and money he has been afforded and the time has come to see some tangible results.
Forget the nonsense about Pep and Klopp….take a look at what Klopp had achieved after his first 4-5 years at Liverpool and what he achieved after that, despite a worse inheritance than Arteta received. As I’ve said before, let’s not forget that Ten Haag (who I don’t rate) has won two trophies in two years with a pile of crap, despite Pep, Klopp and indeed Arteta being around. You’re manufacturing excuses where none exist and it’s attitudes like yours that kept Wenger at the helm for so long. No big club in any league would accept 5 years with one trophy won in the first half season and they certainly wouldn’t accept it after 7 1/2 years. We claim to be a big club, but seriously lack the ambition to act like one.
By the way, you dodged the question. What, in your opinion, does Arteta need to win by May 2027 for his tenure to be deemed a success?
So ill say it again, its not about Arteta. Its about Arsenal. If there comes a time I think our chances of winning the PL or CL are higher with a new and attainable manager, then will be all for it. But im totally unmoved by some of the suggestions of potential replacements.
Even Simeone who I formerly thought was needed. I dont think Diego gets us the 90 points a season needed. I reckon if we had Simeone there is a good chance we score less, concede more, and attain less points - all this lowers the probability of winning
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He'll manage Arsenal
The Cusp is worth fuck all
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Sing it you cùnts!
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He smells of Parmesan
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He just might be the Man!
