As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Boomer wrote:I do think, and this may sound controversial, that bringing back standing sections should be looked into.
I know at the moment this is part of all stadium regulations and a requirement as part of the Taylor report but a review should be done.
Now before anyone jumps in, I've deliberately not said 'Terraces'
In Germany (Dortmund) I'm aware there's standing areas in which there are two terrace steps then a long thick bar the length of the block. (I.E block 5) then after another two steps and a bar again and so on. There's still a stair gang way which no-one stands in.
The problem before with actual terracing is there was too much unrestricted space which leads to un-organisation. Adding to the fact that the numbers entering could fluctuate.
My answer is one which currently exists.
For me the seat is some think to lean on to which could be changed to a 'bus' stop style seat. The seats (bus stop style) are still numbered as current and I would have a season ticket at the same place each time. The match day attendance would be the same 60,100 (odd) as current. However, a section or two would be able to lean. (Stand).
The standing sections would have to be in the corners. If you had sections on either the sides or ends the next blocks would have sight lines problems. Unless we're talking and entire end!?!
This way the corner standing blocks to effect any next door blocks.
I know this is not going to happen but I think the days of ‘terracing’ have gone. But 20 years and with top stadia that's not to say that regulated sensible areas for standing could be look into.
Good post that Boomer
I'd love standing to come back, and what you're proposing does make sense. Obviously, the old style terracing will never return, but the standing sections throughout the Bundesliga is very interesting. Dortmund, Munich, Hamburg, etc all have standing sections, and I'd be interested to see a safety report regarding the amount of injuries sustained in these standing sections, compared to seated areas.... don't suppose you have a report handy do you Boomer?
gooner.ed wrote:this is part of an initiative agreed with redaction.
to maintain the safety licence, the club have to be seen to be able to get sections sat down on occasion during the game.
so in the redsection, a couple of times each half when there is nothing happening (most likely an injury or a goal-kick), a steward will go to the front of the section and give a signal to everyone to sit down for a short time - until something happens to get people back on their feet. those in the section will be pre-notified unofficially of the signal and it will become part of the matchday routine.
the club get their safety licence, the redsection gets to stand for most of the game. this email is part of the club doing what it needs to to retain the safety licence. long term alternative is the seats being taken out of action and the block being empty. no-one wants that.
the club are trying to co-operate with the fans through redaction. it's a difficult balance to strike, but the club do not want to be forced to close sections of the stadium.
Fair enough ed. Still has the whiff of pink felines about it though
Chunky The Gooner wrote:What pisses me off is when you see the away fans jumping up and dont and nothing gets down about it and then the minute you get up in the home section the stewards come over . I know this is what they are instructed to do but for everybody please. I think the stewards realise they are fighting a losing battle even attempting to get the away fans to sit down.
I know we have a steward on this forum so Id like to see what his view is on the matter and what he has been instructed to do on the subject.
Same goes for us at away games though! Feel sorry if they are go0ing to crack down but it is the same for the 58000 other fans who can not get a seat in block 5 or 6. Perhaps it should be extended to a larger 'singing' section.
Boomer wrote:I do think, and this may sound controversial, that bringing back standing sections should be looked into.
I know at the moment this is part of all stadium regulations and a requirement as part of the Taylor report but a review should be done.
Now before anyone jumps in, I've deliberately not said 'Terraces'
In Germany (Dortmund) I'm aware there's standing areas in which there are two terrace steps then a long thick bar the length of the block. (I.E block 5) then after another two steps and a bar again and so on. There's still a stair gang way which no-one stands in.
The problem before with actual terracing is there was too much unrestricted space which leads to un-organisation. Adding to the fact that the numbers entering could fluctuate.
My answer is one which currently exists.
For me the seat is some think to lean on to which could be changed to a 'bus' stop style seat. The seats (bus stop style) are still numbered as current and I would have a season ticket at the same place each time. The match day attendance would be the same 60,100 (odd) as current. However, a section or two would be able to lean. (Stand).
The standing sections would have to be in the corners. If you had sections on either the sides or ends the next blocks would have sight lines problems. Unless we're talking and entire end!?!
This way the corner standing blocks to effect any next door blocks.
I know this is not going to happen but I think the days of ‘terracing’ have gone. But 20 years and with top stadia that's not to say that regulated sensible areas for standing could be look into.
Good post that Boomer
I'd love standing to come back, and what you're proposing does make sense. Obviously, the old style terracing will never return, but the standing sections throughout the Bundesliga is very interesting. Dortmund, Munich, Hamburg, etc all have standing sections, and I'd be interested to see a safety report regarding the amount of injuries sustained in these standing sections, compared to seated areas.... don't suppose you have a report handy do you Boomer?
These guys have been looking into the german technology for a while, not sure if it'll come to anything though
Fans groups the Football Supporters' Federation (FSF) and Stand Up Sit Down (SUSD) are leading a campaign to re-open the case for standing sections in England's top two divisions. And they both point to Germany as an example of how this can be done without jeopardising safety.
"In the nearly six years of the VELTINS-Arena, there has not been a single incident or injury that was caused by having standing terraces"
Volker Fuerderer
Schalke 04 safety officer
"Standing is part of German football culture and there is no evidence at all that it is more dangerous than sitting"
Professor Gunter Pilz
Hannover University
When the FSF asked Borussia Dortmund for injury statistics for its 25,000-capacity standing section, Europe's largest, it was told the club do not keep statistics for injuries inside the ground as they were not an issue.
At Werder Bremen's Weserstadion, seats are connected to barriers that run along the length of every second step in the standing section. They are flipped up and locked for domestic games, and flipped down and unlocked for European and international games, with a 50% reduction in capacity.
I've got a picture of this but need to know how to post add it?
Boomer wrote:I do think, and this may sound controversial, that bringing back standing sections should be looked into.
I know at the moment this is part of all stadium regulations and a requirement as part of the Taylor report but a review should be done.
Now before anyone jumps in, I've deliberately not said 'Terraces'
In Germany (Dortmund) I'm aware there's standing areas in which there are two terrace steps then a long thick bar the length of the block. (I.E block 5) then after another two steps and a bar again and so on. There's still a stair gang way which no-one stands in.
The problem before with actual terracing is there was too much unrestricted space which leads to un-organisation. Adding to the fact that the numbers entering could fluctuate.
My answer is one which currently exists.
For me the seat is some think to lean on to which could be changed to a 'bus' stop style seat. The seats (bus stop style) are still numbered as current and I would have a season ticket at the same place each time. The match day attendance would be the same 60,100 (odd) as current. However, a section or two would be able to lean. (Stand).
The standing sections would have to be in the corners. If you had sections on either the sides or ends the next blocks would have sight lines problems. Unless we're talking and entire end!?!
This way the corner standing blocks to effect any next door blocks.
I know this is not going to happen but I think the days of ‘terracing’ have gone. But 20 years and with top stadia that's not to say that regulated sensible areas for standing could be look into.
Good post that Boomer
I'd love standing to come back, and what you're proposing does make sense. Obviously, the old style terracing will never return, but the standing sections throughout the Bundesliga is very interesting. Dortmund, Munich, Hamburg, etc all have standing sections, and I'd be interested to see a safety report regarding the amount of injuries sustained in these standing sections, compared to seated areas.... don't suppose you have a report handy do you Boomer?
Standing (or even leaning) sections would be great, and Boomer's post is excellent. The Bundesliga is clearly ahead of us on this, as other things (controls on club expenditure and debt, ticket prices etc), but as I understand it, a change here would require legislation.
The Football Supporters' Federation (http://www.fsf.org.uk) continues to campaign on this, as does the group Stand Up Sit Down (http://www.standupsitdown.co.uk), and the Independent Football Commission even published a report supporting the change in 2007. But the Government continues to oppose changing the rules, on the basis that it would undermine safety and public order controls.
Boomer wrote:At Werder Bremen's Weserstadion, seats are connected to barriers that run along the length of every second step in the standing section. They are flipped up and locked for domestic games, and flipped down and unlocked for European and international games, with a 50% reduction in capacity.
I've got a picture of this but need to know how to post add it?
Werder Bremen's standing area with the seats locked up....
would be so much better and lets hope that common sense wins thru at some stage and safe standing will be allowed,, wouldnt be holding my breath thou,,,
Chunky The Gooner wrote:What pisses me off is when you see the away fans jumping up and dont and nothing gets down about it and then the minute you get up in the home section the stewards come over . I know this is what they are instructed to do but for everybody please. I think the stewards realise they are fighting a losing battle even attempting to get the away fans to sit down.
I know we have a steward on this forum so Id like to see what his view is on the matter and what he has been instructed to do on the subject.
( Fuck me was that actually a serious post from Chunky ? The worlds gone mad ! )
I'll certainly give you guys some insight when I've been to a couple of games. We haven't had any training sessions this summer, so I've not been told anything new yet.
I got the e-mail myself and thought it was fair enough to be honest mate. It wasn't in a threatening tone and stated that the club have no issue with people standing at 'flashpoints'.
My take on it, and this is obviously just my personal view, is that the club are going to apply more common sense around standing and generally only target those who are standing for no reason.
We will see what the Emirates Cup brings my friend, I will report back after
Man city at home *they were the away fans* i was right next to em.....giving as good as i fucking got off the pricks.....a steward cme up2 me at least 50 tmes in the match for standing up, arguing with the *gobby *word censored* right next to me in there section, and singing......then pissed me off so much i said.....what u gonna do about them, his reply was, what can i do!!!!! no word of a fuckin lie......absoulute bollocks!!!!! and he was the head steward of that section!!!!!!!
also blackburn at home, some *word censored* right at the back reported me for standing up and the steward come up and said sit down as im gettin complaints from him at the back *ghe didnt point him out but i knew who he meant as he a[pproached me earlier on* so what i did was started of.....stand up for the arsenal *thankfully some around me joined in* i turned round and he was talking to the steward again and i saw and the steward saw me but didnt say or do nething this time.....then i was chatting to some bird at half time had a drink with her, and then walked back to my seaqt.....the steward said to me......one more complaint and he will chck me out.......the *word censored* was right at the back would of blocked no1s view abd could of stood
100% agree. if we carry on like this we will probably have seatbelts on the seats in a few seasons time. a lot has been mentioned about a standing area not complying with Health&Safety b***ocks, but ssn did a report about birmingham having a standing area for the coming season which was pushed by the fans. perhaps an idea would be to have another red action section where the away fans sit, keep the family enclosure where it is and then put the away fans in the blue quadrant. then maybe the stadium wouldnt have 1 half silent 1 half at least trying to create an atmosphere. the chance of it happening tho as we all now zilch! as a red member i often only get a chance to sit upper tier, more often than not in green or yellow quadrants, and that is soooo silent. the club are probably looking at more ways to pamper our 7000 co-operate fans the most in the prem.
