Man Cheaty 115 charges / Everton / Other Corruption Super Thread (merged)

[OneBardGooner]

Over the years One of the things I haveWitnessed / Noticed in those who are Mega-MEGA Rich, is that they think they are un-touchable; and often are, but they all have that one thing in common "Arrogance", and this absolutely Reeks of that,,,Cheaty are of that ilk... They think they are Un-touchable, and HUGE Arrogance comes with that.....

When no one has ever challenged Cheaty's owners (the Abu Dhabi-based Abu Dhabi United Group, anan investment company for the Abu Dhabi Royal Family, which is owned by Sheikh Mansour. ) about anything before ever.... Whether it be the countless dodgy deals they have done globally over the years, the Sports Washing they are currently involved in : The Saudi League, Boxing, Tennis, Darts, Cricket etc etc etc to their abuse of Human Rights and how they get what the want "Done". It is easy to see that they think they can swipe the Prem aside, this decision / outcome is the first step towards them doing that.


The Prem have opened a Can of Worms and before it's closed... A lot of damage is gong to be done to the sport, to clubs and players, but it will be Football itself and the everyday fans that will suffer.

[rodders999]

Everton, Chelsea and Newcastle have all backed city - how fucking grim is that?

It’s like Philip Schofield, Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris joining forces to give a character reference to Jimmy Saville.

Fucking cretins

Rodders hope you don't mind but I copied your analogy and just going to use it to annoy city and Newcastle fans on X

What's mine is yours, you already know that babes xxx

[Retro Gunner]

Everton, Chelsea and Newcastle have all backed city - how fucking grim is that?

It’s like Philip Schofield, Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris joining forces to give a character reference to Jimmy Saville.

Fucking cretins

That's fucking brilliant.

The Premier League's big mistake was allowing fucking countries to buy PL clubs. It was no doubt rubber stamped out of sheer greed, but now the chickens have come home to roost. There's no way that the PL have the financial clout to take these Arab states on legally and losing this latest judgement will weaken the case over the 115 charges.

As others have said, this case about sponsorship has signaled the death of any possible effort to bring some parity to the game. It's now open season for the Arab clubs and the chavs.....can someone tell me what Everton have to gain from this? Do they have a new buyer in the wings, because surely Moshiri isn't at the financial level of the others?

Again, as others have said, the other PL clubs need to threaten to break away and form a new league. The big boys in Europe, other than PSG, would surely support it.

[DB10GOONER]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

[gooner265]

Everton, Chelsea and Newcastle have all backed city - how fucking grim is that?

It’s like Philip Schofield, Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris joining forces to give a character reference to Jimmy Saville.

Fucking cretins

That's fucking brilliant.

The Premier League's big mistake was allowing fucking countries to buy PL clubs. It was no doubt rubber stamped out of sheer greed, but now the chickens have come home to roost. There's no way that the PL have the financial clout to take these Arab states on legally and losing this latest judgement will weaken the case over the 115 charges.

As others have said, this case about sponsorship has signaled the death of any possible effort to bring some parity to the game. It's now open season for the Arab clubs and the chavs.....can someone tell me what Everton have to gain from this? Do they have a new buyer in the wings, because surely Moshiri isn't at the financial level of the others?

Again, as others have said, the other PL clubs need to threaten to break away and form a new league. The big boys in Europe, other than PSG, would surely support it.

Was gonna ask the same question, why have Everton sided with City?

[TeeCee]

Just about to be bought by a yank company who probably want to do what the Chavs have done!

[Retro Gunner]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

[augie]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

Nothing to do with uefa or fifa - stick with premier league rules as is, and any club who wont sign up to the rules is excluded from joining. Simples

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

They're out of control and I cant wait for them to be playing Accrington Stanley (who ) next season or whenever it's finally sorted.

[Retro Gunner]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

Nothing to do with uefa or fifa - stick with premier league rules as is, and any club who wont sign up to the rules is excluded from joining. Simples

Once again, I think I'm being misunderstood, but perhaps that's my fault. I'll try again.

I'm not sure that the PL have the pills to use their rules to deal with City and therefore also the Geordies and the chavs. Even if they do try to enforce their rules, it's looking as though City might be successful challenging them in the courts. As others have previously said on this thread, it also isn't beyond the realms of possibility that the UK govt might lean on the PL, so that the Arab states don't get pissed off and cause difficulties economically. So, this whole issue is a test case and if City win, then it's open season for Newcastle and Chelsea to do as they please.

My point is....if that is the case, then the other PL clubs should create a new English league. I've no idea of the legal implications of this, but I can't imagine that the FA can claim to own football, so who can stop teams creating a new league. In fact, the FA might well back it and be prepared to cut the Arab clubs adrift.

My point about UEFA or FIFA is that clubs in a newly formed league would want access to the CL etc and in that case UEFA woud have to throw their lot in with the new league or the few Arab clubs in the PL. Given that I'd imagine the likes of R Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve, the Milan sides etc would probably also object to the financially doped Arab (and Chav) clubs, then they would lobby UEFA to admit the new league to the CL. If those giants of European football along with the Arsenal, Liverpool and Utd joined forces, then there's no way the football authorities could take them on. What's lost in cutting loose City, the chavs, Newcastle and Everton. Only two of them are now elite clubs and only that because they bought the status in recent years...they're no loss. If that happens, it also means the PL is cut loose and that notion should concentrate their mind.

These, in my opinion, are the noises and threats that the English and European elite clubs should be making to the PL, the FA and UEFA/FIFA. The authorities need to be made aware that this situation could tear football apart.

[augie]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

Nothing to do with uefa or fifa - stick with premier league rules as is, and any club who wont sign up to the rules is excluded from joining. Simples

Once again, I think I'm being misunderstood, but perhaps that's my fault. I'll try again.

I'm not sure that the PL have the pills to use their rules to deal with City and therefore also the Geordies and the chavs. Even if they do try to enforce their rules, it's looking as though City might be successful challenging them in the courts. As others have previously said on this thread, it also isn't beyond the realms of possibility that the UK govt might lean on the PL, so that the Arab states don't get pissed off and cause difficulties economically. So, this whole issue is a test case and if City win, then it's open season for Newcastle and Chelsea to do as they please.

My point is....if that is the case, then the other PL clubs should create a new English league. I've no idea of the legal implications of this, but I can't imagine that the FA can claim to own football, so who can stop teams creating a new league. In fact, the FA might well back it and be prepared to cut the Arab clubs adrift.

My point about UEFA or FIFA is that clubs in a newly formed league would want access to the CL etc and in that case UEFA woud have to throw their lot in with the new league or the few Arab clubs in the PL. Given that I'd imagine the likes of R Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve, the Milan sides etc would probably also object to the financially doped Arab (and Chav) clubs, then they would lobby UEFA to admit the new league to the CL. If those giants of European football along with the Arsenal, Liverpool and Utd joined forces, then there's no way the football authorities could take them on. What's lost in cutting loose City, the chavs, Newcastle and Everton. Only two of them are now elite clubs and only that because they bought the status in recent years...they're no loss. If that happens, it also means the PL is cut loose and that notion should concentrate their mind.

These, in my opinion, are the noises and threats that the English and European elite clubs should be making to the PL, the FA and UEFA/FIFA. The authorities need to be made aware that this situation could tear football apart.

A few years ago I did a two and a half year stint as secretary of our local league and overall I have been secretary of our own club for the best part of 20 years (not all in one stint) so I have some experience in dealing with rules and laws - my understanding is (and I'm not swearing that I am 100% correct here) that IF 100% of clubs agree, a league can have a rule that contravenes association rules and legal law, but every single club has to sign up accepting the rule and that they will not challenge that rule to a higher body. If I'm right then the premier league simply goes to these rebel clubs asking if they are willing to accept this rule, and if they refuse to do so then they are expelled from the league by the majority of clubs. The premier league is not a god given right to any club and is amongst other things by invitation only - if clubs vote not to allow another club to join, then imo there is fcuk all citeeh or the geordies or the chavs can do about it. This to me is a lot less messy than trying to form a breakaway/new league - why should 15+ clubs try to form a new league when it is easier to just expel the 4 or 5 who want to do as they please ? Again unless I am wrong, it takes 75% of clubs to carry a vote by premier league rules, so IF the other clubs stick together it can be au revoir to the financially corrupt clubs

Btw I think it also needs acknowledging that the clubs that I am advocating expelling are not world renowned clubs in the way that AFC are and the victims and manure are - we are talking about nouveau rich clubs who would be less known in europe or the rest of the world than villa and forest were UNTIL they became play things for oil states and corrupt oligarch. This is important when the premier league start worrying about the effect expelling these clubs would have on the premier league brand - the premier league would retain the traditional big clubs, but more importantly would have the power to send these no history clubs back to the dark ages where they spent most of their history, because these clubs NEED the premier league more than the league needs them

[Retro Gunner]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

Nothing to do with uefa or fifa - stick with premier league rules as is, and any club who wont sign up to the rules is excluded from joining. Simples

Once again, I think I'm being misunderstood, but perhaps that's my fault. I'll try again.

I'm not sure that the PL have the pills to use their rules to deal with City and therefore also the Geordies and the chavs. Even if they do try to enforce their rules, it's looking as though City might be successful challenging them in the courts. As others have previously said on this thread, it also isn't beyond the realms of possibility that the UK govt might lean on the PL, so that the Arab states don't get pissed off and cause difficulties economically. So, this whole issue is a test case and if City win, then it's open season for Newcastle and Chelsea to do as they please.

My point is....if that is the case, then the other PL clubs should create a new English league. I've no idea of the legal implications of this, but I can't imagine that the FA can claim to own football, so who can stop teams creating a new league. In fact, the FA might well back it and be prepared to cut the Arab clubs adrift.

My point about UEFA or FIFA is that clubs in a newly formed league would want access to the CL etc and in that case UEFA woud have to throw their lot in with the new league or the few Arab clubs in the PL. Given that I'd imagine the likes of R Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve, the Milan sides etc would probably also object to the financially doped Arab (and Chav) clubs, then they would lobby UEFA to admit the new league to the CL. If those giants of European football along with the Arsenal, Liverpool and Utd joined forces, then there's no way the football authorities could take them on. What's lost in cutting loose City, the chavs, Newcastle and Everton. Only two of them are now elite clubs and only that because they bought the status in recent years...they're no loss. If that happens, it also means the PL is cut loose and that notion should concentrate their mind.

These, in my opinion, are the noises and threats that the English and European elite clubs should be making to the PL, the FA and UEFA/FIFA. The authorities need to be made aware that this situation could tear football apart.

A few years ago I did a two and a half year stint as secretary of our local league and overall I have been secretary of our own club for the best part of 20 years (not all in one stint) so I have some experience in dealing with rules and laws - my understanding is (and I'm not swearing that I am 100% correct here) that IF 100% of clubs agree, a league can have a rule that contravenes association rules and legal law, but every single club has to sign up accepting the rule and that they will not challenge that rule to a higher body. If I'm right then the premier league simply goes to these rebel clubs asking if they are willing to accept this rule, and if they refuse to do so then they are expelled from the league by the majority of clubs. The premier league is not a god given right to any club and is amongst other things by invitation only - if clubs vote not to allow another club to join, then imo there is fcuk all citeeh or the geordies or the chavs can do about it. This to me is a lot less messy than trying to form a breakaway/new league - why should 15+ clubs try to form a new league when it is easier to just expel the 4 or 5 who want to do as they please ? Again unless I am wrong, it takes 75% of clubs to carry a vote by premier league rules, so IF the other clubs stick together it can be au revoir to the financially corrupt clubs

Btw I think it also needs acknowledging that the clubs that I am advocating expelling are not world renowned clubs in the way that AFC are and the victims and manure are - we are talking about nouveau rich clubs who would be less known in europe or the rest of the world than villa and forest were UNTIL they became play things for oil states and corrupt oligarch. This is important when the premier league start worrying about the effect expelling these clubs would have on the premier league brand - the premier league would retain the traditional big clubs, but more importantly would have the power to send these no history clubs back to the dark ages where they spent most of their history, because these clubs NEED the premier league more than the league needs them

If you're right about the PL rules allowing for the expulsion of the four rogue clubs, then yes, that would make the most sense by far and would avoid the far messier route of a new league. However, the threat of a breakaway league needs to be clearly hung over the PL to ensure they do take a firm line with City and the others.

Regarding your second paragraph, I did make that point in my post....quite clearly i thought.

[DB10GOONER]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

Sorry man, wasn't commenting in reference to your post. It was one of the other posts that mentioned or intimated a European super league so I just fired off a general anti European football rant!

[Retro Gunner]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

Sorry man, wasn't commenting in reference to your post. It was one of the other posts that mentioned or intimated a European super league so I just fired off a general anti European football rant!

Damn, how dispiriting. I thought mine were the only posts, amongst the undiluted shit on here, that you bothered to read.

[DB10GOONER]

I have to be honest, if a new league involves Arsenal playing fucking Madrid and the whores and PSG and Bayern then I'm done. Lock it down Luke.

My rivalries and history, and memories and hatreds etc are with and against manure, the mousers, the scum, the chavs, even the likes of Stoke and Bolton. I have zero fucking connection to or interest in playing against European teams. Fuck that.

To be fair DB, I think you might have misunderstood me, I wasn't proposing a Euro league. I think it's possible to set up a new English league, without the financially doped clubs and my point about the big boys in Europe was that they'd back that new league and no doubt welcome it into European competition. None of them (bar PSG) will want the Arabs and the chavs buying the trophies, so they'd probably be happy to exclude them too.

UEFA and FIFA might get worried, but if Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and the big names in Europe lobbied to exclude them, I don't see what choice the authorities would have.

Sorry man, wasn't commenting in reference to your post. It was one of the other posts that mentioned or intimated a European super league so I just fired off a general anti European football rant!

Damn, how dispiriting. I thought mine were the only posts, amongst the undiluted shit on here, that you bothered to read.