VAR

[Topside Northbank]

When Saliba was given the yellow last night I had no doubt VAR would get involved.

The letter of the law is a cop out for whatever decision the refs and VAR come up with, Rice red, 2nd yellow v BHA was ridiculous, Trossard MC also two very weak 2nd yellow cards.

I will take last season 1 -0 home win against MC, Odegaard done twice by Kovavic the ref Oliver has to give a straight red the 2nd challenge, nothing. We won so it's forgotten.

Liverpool I have no time for but the Tottenham debacle apart, MC at home 1-1 iirc last few minutes Doku, kick to the chest of the Liverpool player in the box VAR looks and no pen given.

It's either bizarre how easy calls are miseed or corrupt and to me it's the latter. We have had some awful calls most clubs will say the same.

Brentford at home 2 years ago 1-1 game, VAR Lee Mason, 'forgot to draw the lines' takes the biscuit it's the basic element of judging an offiside goal or not.

[Perryashburtongroves]

When Saliba was given the yellow last night I had no doubt VAR would get involved.

The letter of the law is a cop out for whatever decision the refs and VAR come up with, Rice red, 2nd yellow v BHA was ridiculous, Trossard MC also two very weak 2nd yellow cards.

I will take last season 1 -0 home win against MC, Odegaard done twice by Kovavic the ref Oliver has to give a straight red the 2nd challenge, nothing. We won so it's forgotten.

Liverpool I have no time for but the Tottenham debacle apart, MC at home 1-1 iirc last few minutes Doku, kick to the chest of the Liverpool player in the box VAR looks and no pen given.

It's either bizarre how easy calls are miseed or corrupt and to me it's the latter. We have had some awful calls most clubs will say the same.

Brentford at home 2 years ago 1-1 game, VAR Lee Mason, 'forgot to draw the lines' takes the biscuit it's the basic element of judging an offiside goal or not.

It's either incompetence and the referees making these errors need to be dismissed from their extremely well-paid professionals roles or it's corruption. There really isn't any middle ground left now. There will always be horrendous and obvious ones and that's what happens when the refs and VAR officials panic and have to act because of the pressure put on them by their betting syndicates or Middle Eastern state-sponsored corrupt sports-washing paymasters when it isn't going the way they need it to, but the majority of what we're seeing now is lower-level, less obvious but just as impactful corruption. They've had to stop the absolutely obvious stuff because people started asking too many questions and it was getting harder and harder to hide it. Now, we're seeing reasons to send our players off for second bookings which never happen to other teams or like last night, turn a yellow into a red when it would never happen to anyone else. They've hidden behind this letter of the law bollox but people are pointing out that it isn't applied consistently or fairly and we're starting to hear every fucking excuse for why it isn't. Every time people point it out, Howard fucking Webb gets aggressive or has a tantrum and tries to pretend that it's all paranoia. It isn't it's becoming more and more obvious that corruption is at work here because we're seeing shit happen that isn't happening to anyone else and there isn't a logical explanation. The head of fucking referees sitting with a phone 'listening' to the audio of an incident on a mobile phone? Fucking fuck off. Firstly, why's that allowed and why haven't we ever seen it mentioned before? Secondly, why is he allowed to have a phone and not a walkie talkie with no internet connection? Thirdly, why's he pressing buttons on his phone and communicating and then speaking? It's amazing how it's all been shut down in the press today, isn't it? Getting too close to the truth, he got sloppy, got lazy and got caught out by the cameras. Now, they have to manage it and try and pretend we're all fucking mad to stop us asking too many questions about what's really going on. Nailed on that the TV companies will be told never to broadcast footage of him again during an incident.

[Topside Northbank]

When Saliba was given the yellow last night I had no doubt VAR would get involved.

The letter of the law is a cop out for whatever decision the refs and VAR come up with, Rice red, 2nd yellow v BHA was ridiculous, Trossard MC also two very weak 2nd yellow cards.

I will take last season 1 -0 home win against MC, Odegaard done twice by Kovavic the ref Oliver has to give a straight red the 2nd challenge, nothing. We won so it's forgotten.

Liverpool I have no time for but the Tottenham debacle apart, MC at home 1-1 iirc last few minutes Doku, kick to the chest of the Liverpool player in the box VAR looks and no pen given.

It's either bizarre how easy calls are miseed or corrupt and to me it's the latter. We have had some awful calls most clubs will say the same.

Brentford at home 2 years ago 1-1 game, VAR Lee Mason, 'forgot to draw the lines' takes the biscuit it's the basic element of judging an offiside goal or not.

It's either incompetence and the referees making these errors need to be dismissed from their extremely well-paid professionals roles or it's corruption. There really isn't any middle ground left now. There will always be horrendous and obvious ones and that's what happens when the refs and VAR officials panic and have to act because of the pressure put on them by their betting syndicates or Middle Eastern state-sponsored corrupt sports-washing paymasters when it isn't going the way they need it to, but the majority of what we're seeing now is lower-level, less obvious but just as impactful corruption. They've had to stop the absolutely obvious stuff because people started asking too many questions and it was getting harder and harder to hide it. Now, we're seeing reasons to send our players off for second bookings which never happen to other teams or like last night, turn a yellow into a red when it would never happen to anyone else. They've hidden behind this letter of the law bollox but people are pointing out that it isn't applied consistently or fairly and we're starting to hear every fucking excuse for why it isn't. Every time people point it out, Howard fucking Webb gets aggressive or has a tantrum and tries to pretend that it's all paranoia. It isn't it's becoming more and more obvious that corruption is at work here because we're seeing shit happen that isn't happening to anyone else and there isn't a logical explanation. The head of fucking referees sitting with a phone 'listening' to the audio of an incident on a mobile phone? Fucking fuck off. Firstly, why's that allowed and why haven't we ever seen it mentioned before? Secondly, why is he allowed to have a phone and not a walkie talkie with no internet connection? Thirdly, why's he pressing buttons on his phone and communicating and then speaking? It's amazing how it's all been shut down in the press today, isn't it? Getting too close to the truth, he got sloppy, got lazy and got caught out by the cameras. Now, they have to manage it and try and pretend we're all fucking mad to stop us asking too many questions about what's really going on. Nailed on that the TV companies will be told never to broadcast footage of him again during an incident.

Your last sentence is spot on actually how it will play out.

Gillett VAR yesterday is not allowed to do Liverpool games as he's a fan. The ref and VAR panel is made up of mostly refs from the North West, Liverpool but mainly Manchester areas.

Gillett, i remember the 2-2 home game v Palace under Emery, Sokratis late winner ruled out it was a very, very strange call, sure a few of you here may recall it.

[Redarmy]

When Saliba was given the yellow last night I had no doubt VAR would get involved.

The letter of the law is a cop out for whatever decision the refs and VAR come up with, Rice red, 2nd yellow v BHA was ridiculous, Trossard MC also two very weak 2nd yellow cards.

I will take last season 1 -0 home win against MC, Odegaard done twice by Kovavic the ref Oliver has to give a straight red the 2nd challenge, nothing. We won so it's forgotten.

Liverpool I have no time for but the Tottenham debacle apart, MC at home 1-1 iirc last few minutes Doku, kick to the chest of the Liverpool player in the box VAR looks and no pen given.

It's either bizarre how easy calls are miseed or corrupt and to me it's the latter. We have had some awful calls most clubs will say the same.

Brentford at home 2 years ago 1-1 game, VAR Lee Mason, 'forgot to draw the lines' takes the biscuit it's the basic element of judging an offiside goal or not.

It's either incompetence and the referees making these errors need to be dismissed from their extremely well-paid professionals roles or it's corruption. There really isn't any middle ground left now. There will always be horrendous and obvious ones and that's what happens when the refs and VAR officials panic and have to act because of the pressure put on them by their betting syndicates or Middle Eastern state-sponsored corrupt sports-washing paymasters when it isn't going the way they need it to, but the majority of what we're seeing now is lower-level, less obvious but just as impactful corruption. They've had to stop the absolutely obvious stuff because people started asking too many questions and it was getting harder and harder to hide it. Now, we're seeing reasons to send our players off for second bookings which never happen to other teams or like last night, turn a yellow into a red when it would never happen to anyone else. They've hidden behind this letter of the law bollox but people are pointing out that it isn't applied consistently or fairly and we're starting to hear every fucking excuse for why it isn't. Every time people point it out, Howard fucking Webb gets aggressive or has a tantrum and tries to pretend that it's all paranoia. It isn't it's becoming more and more obvious that corruption is at work here because we're seeing shit happen that isn't happening to anyone else and there isn't a logical explanation. The head of fucking referees sitting with a phone 'listening' to the audio of an incident on a mobile phone? Fucking fuck off. Firstly, why's that allowed and why haven't we ever seen it mentioned before? Secondly, why is he allowed to have a phone and not a walkie talkie with no internet connection? Thirdly, why's he pressing buttons on his phone and communicating and then speaking? It's amazing how it's all been shut down in the press today, isn't it? Getting too close to the truth, he got sloppy, got lazy and got caught out by the cameras. Now, they have to manage it and try and pretend we're all fucking mad to stop us asking too many questions about what's really going on. Nailed on that the TV companies will be told never to broadcast footage of him again during an incident.

Your last sentence is spot on actually how it will play out.

Gillett VAR yesterday is not allowed to do Liverpool games as he's a fan. The ref and VAR panel is made up of mostly refs from the North West, Liverpool but mainly Manchester areas.

Gillett, i remember the 2-2 home game v Palace under Emery, Sokratis late winner ruled out it was a very, very strange call, sure a few of you here may recall it.

...absolutely can never forget that one..diabolical decision

[Topside Northbank]

When Saliba was given the yellow last night I had no doubt VAR would get involved.

The letter of the law is a cop out for whatever decision the refs and VAR come up with, Rice red, 2nd yellow v BHA was ridiculous, Trossard MC also two very weak 2nd yellow cards.

I will take last season 1 -0 home win against MC, Odegaard done twice by Kovavic the ref Oliver has to give a straight red the 2nd challenge, nothing. We won so it's forgotten.

Liverpool I have no time for but the Tottenham debacle apart, MC at home 1-1 iirc last few minutes Doku, kick to the chest of the Liverpool player in the box VAR looks and no pen given.

It's either bizarre how easy calls are miseed or corrupt and to me it's the latter. We have had some awful calls most clubs will say the same.

Brentford at home 2 years ago 1-1 game, VAR Lee Mason, 'forgot to draw the lines' takes the biscuit it's the basic element of judging an offiside goal or not.

It's either incompetence and the referees making these errors need to be dismissed from their extremely well-paid professionals roles or it's corruption. There really isn't any middle ground left now. There will always be horrendous and obvious ones and that's what happens when the refs and VAR officials panic and have to act because of the pressure put on them by their betting syndicates or Middle Eastern state-sponsored corrupt sports-washing paymasters when it isn't going the way they need it to, but the majority of what we're seeing now is lower-level, less obvious but just as impactful corruption. They've had to stop the absolutely obvious stuff because people started asking too many questions and it was getting harder and harder to hide it. Now, we're seeing reasons to send our players off for second bookings which never happen to other teams or like last night, turn a yellow into a red when it would never happen to anyone else. They've hidden behind this letter of the law bollox but people are pointing out that it isn't applied consistently or fairly and we're starting to hear every fucking excuse for why it isn't. Every time people point it out, Howard fucking Webb gets aggressive or has a tantrum and tries to pretend that it's all paranoia. It isn't it's becoming more and more obvious that corruption is at work here because we're seeing shit happen that isn't happening to anyone else and there isn't a logical explanation. The head of fucking referees sitting with a phone 'listening' to the audio of an incident on a mobile phone? Fucking fuck off. Firstly, why's that allowed and why haven't we ever seen it mentioned before? Secondly, why is he allowed to have a phone and not a walkie talkie with no internet connection? Thirdly, why's he pressing buttons on his phone and communicating and then speaking? It's amazing how it's all been shut down in the press today, isn't it? Getting too close to the truth, he got sloppy, got lazy and got caught out by the cameras. Now, they have to manage it and try and pretend we're all fucking mad to stop us asking too many questions about what's really going on. Nailed on that the TV companies will be told never to broadcast footage of him again during an incident.

Your last sentence is spot on actually how it will play out.

Gillett VAR yesterday is not allowed to do Liverpool games as he's a fan. The ref and VAR panel is made up of mostly refs from the North West, Liverpool but mainly Manchester areas.

Gillett, i remember the 2-2 home game v Palace under Emery, Sokratis late winner ruled out it was a very, very strange call, sure a few of you here may recall it.

...absolutely can never forget that one..diabolical decision

Martinelli 2 yellows v WW inside a few seconds couple of seasons ago. Oliver the ref another instance that will never happen again, just brushed over by, the 'the letter of the law' like Rice v BHA, delaying start of game 5 yards from the BHA goal line, moving ball and taken from the wrong place, 'letter of the law'.

[Redarmy]

To be fair...3 yellows already.....and we havnt touched one of their players .....wouldnt mind, but not as if we had made reckless challenges injuring players....

used to be if you have someone dangerous on the pitch about to end someones career he would be off...now we are getting fucked over on technicalitys and interference from those morons at var

as above all that said arteta has not prepared the squad for any challenge...chav Sterling, partey and likely merino dont look up to the job

still wanted a lively goalscorer up front...that wont happen

if we lost to bournemouth we can loose to anyone...depressing

[OneBardGooner]

After yesterdays debacle I have (again) been accused by friends (who support other teams) and some family members; even by some on here of being paranoid and making wild excuses for decisions made by officials (both on the pitch & Var) against Arsenal etc when I bring up the subject of there being Corruption (at all levels) of the PGMOL, The Prem and ALL their employees.

I'm sure most peeps on here know about Occam's Razor (*) Every time a Ref makes a game changing decision against Arsenal and there have been several now over the past 3 seasons; decisions that have been backed by VAR , Webb and the PGMOL will come up with all manner of 'Reasons' as to why a decision was made, often for said reasons to be a subjective interpretation of one of the Rules, and for such a subjective interpretation to never be made again.

Then of course there is the usual lame attempts at an 'Apology' after the fact when we have lost Valuable points.

Time and time again Arsenal have been the Team/Club to be negatively affected by these decisions made due to momentary subjective interpretations made on the spot by the PGMOL.

So these Decisions by PGMOL employees (including Webb) are always defended by a variety of excuses. And yet the simplest and most overriding factor in all these incidents points to one of two certainties. Either the PGMOL and All its Employees are 100% Grossly Incompetent OR there is "Corruption" at the highest levels down through their ranks.

I've said it time and time again (yes I knowwww sorry.. ) But until the PGMOL can be held up to be Legally accountable for their actions and procedures this Corruption will just continue.

It is destroying both my love for the game, so much so that I just think why bother? What's the fucking point when we all know that no matter how well we play or how much we try, by hook or by crook there is only going to be One Outcome and that is One Team will win the title year in year out, because they are part of the Corruption.


Yes we played shyte yesterday, but that does Not explain away the subjective interpretation made yesterday... Or the one when Declan Rice got Red Carded.... I read this morning online that Webb has said it was 'A pure coincidence that he happened to be listening to the VAR Communications whilst texting a friend when the Saliba incident was being looked at by VAR" ... Yeah! Riiiight ! If only his telephone records & conversations from that time period and the VAR Communications could be made public before being Doctored or Redacted.

Call it what you like... by any other name it (for me) is "Corruption" plain and simple.



(*) Essentially, when faced with numerous and / or competing explanations for the same repeating occurrence / outcome, the simplest answer / reason is most likely the correct one.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Consistency, eh.

It’s convenient that EVERY time we’re about to play (Spurs and now Liverpool) or are playing a big team (Trossard) this season we’ve had a key player sent off. Every time.

[rodders999]

The reason they gave for that just being a yellow was because Saka was too far out from goal

[Nick Nack]

When Saliba was given the yellow last night I had no doubt VAR would get involved.

The letter of the law is a cop out for whatever decision the refs and VAR come up with, Rice red, 2nd yellow v BHA was ridiculous, Trossard MC also two very weak 2nd yellow cards.

I will take last season 1 -0 home win against MC, Odegaard done twice by Kovavic the ref Oliver has to give a straight red the 2nd challenge, nothing. We won so it's forgotten.

Liverpool I have no time for but the Tottenham debacle apart, MC at home 1-1 iirc last few minutes Doku, kick to the chest of the Liverpool player in the box VAR looks and no pen given.

It's either bizarre how easy calls are miseed or corrupt and to me it's the latter. We have had some awful calls most clubs will say the same.

Brentford at home 2 years ago 1-1 game, VAR Lee Mason, 'forgot to draw the lines' takes the biscuit it's the basic element of judging an offiside goal or not.

It's either incompetence and the referees making these errors need to be dismissed from their extremely well-paid professionals roles or it's corruption. There really isn't any middle ground left now. There will always be horrendous and obvious ones and that's what happens when the refs and VAR officials panic and have to act because of the pressure put on them by their betting syndicates or Middle Eastern state-sponsored corrupt sports-washing paymasters when it isn't going the way they need it to, but the majority of what we're seeing now is lower-level, less obvious but just as impactful corruption. They've had to stop the absolutely obvious stuff because people started asking too many questions and it was getting harder and harder to hide it. Now, we're seeing reasons to send our players off for second bookings which never happen to other teams or like last night, turn a yellow into a red when it would never happen to anyone else. They've hidden behind this letter of the law bollox but people are pointing out that it isn't applied consistently or fairly and we're starting to hear every fucking excuse for why it isn't. Every time people point it out, Howard fucking Webb gets aggressive or has a tantrum and tries to pretend that it's all paranoia. It isn't it's becoming more and more obvious that corruption is at work here because we're seeing shit happen that isn't happening to anyone else and there isn't a logical explanation. The head of fucking referees sitting with a phone 'listening' to the audio of an incident on a mobile phone? Fucking fuck off. Firstly, why's that allowed and why haven't we ever seen it mentioned before? Secondly, why is he allowed to have a phone and not a walkie talkie with no internet connection? Thirdly, why's he pressing buttons on his phone and communicating and then speaking? It's amazing how it's all been shut down in the press today, isn't it? Getting too close to the truth, he got sloppy, got lazy and got caught out by the cameras. Now, they have to manage it and try and pretend we're all fucking mad to stop us asking too many questions about what's really going on. Nailed on that the TV companies will be told never to broadcast footage of him again during an incident.

There's more to all of this than meets the eye. For the umpteenth time this season I've come away from the match angry. Diet Pep and his myopic views towards the squad, team selection and tactics is really starting to grate on me, but the officiating has taken it to a level that I thought I had left behind with Lord Wenger

So I thought I would do a bit of digging to see what I could find online regarding PGMOL.

What you start to find out is that PGMOL have an agreement with the media not to be shown in a bad light, which of course reflects on the PL as well. Hence the shenanigans from Slysports in covering up yesterday's bollocks.

But some surprising facts came to light in some articles I was reading. For instance PGMOL lost a case against HMRC and now face a hefty tax bill as refs have been deemed employees and not freelancers. https://x.com/1Walid1/status/1838912529172398422
of course there is very little mention in the press...

Apparently PGMOL are nearly skint, and the c.unt Webb backtracked on ref's not going off to Saudi to earn some extra corn as they aren't able to enhance their wages due to a contractual agreement with the PL, and the PL apparently are unwilling to top it up.
https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/108876

If this article, which links other published articles is any way true, you'd think that the ref's might look to other ways to top up their earnings, such as taking a gift from betting consortium for say issuing a nothing red card when an opportunity presents itself Or not giving a red if that was how the spread for the game was decided in advance.

When organisations are skint and their employees are out of pocket then said employees will consider fraud, bribery and corruption. Like being paid £20k to ref a match in Saudi and accept a Rolex. What else has gone on? A hotel room full of prozzies with hidden cameras followed by bribery not to release the films All conjecture of course

It needs the independent regulator with the power to audit and investigate clubs, players, PGMOL and referees. PGMOL cannot be allowed to act autonomously without oversight or scrutiny for governing the rules of one of the most high profile sports and leagues in the world. Government needs to act before it becomes one of the biggest sporting scandals ever.

The fact that Webb was also head of refereeing for the Saudi football federation means he has all the high level contacts in government because nothing goes on without their approval.

And now that the PL has lost the recent case for 3rd party related companies Cheaty and the bar codes will have a field day. It will get worse.

Is there bias against the Arsenal, absolutely, but I've been supporting for 45 years and some things never change.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

https://x.com/afcbanks_/status/1848031712946618560?s=61

[OneBardGooner]

That Video has been Removed mate. Quelle Surprise eh!


I can only assume that PGMOL have a dedicated team who after any contentious decisions are made that team go looking for any related topics, videos etc criticising them... CheatingCUNTS!

[OneBardGooner]

CORRUPT C.U.N.T

[mcdowell42]

BREAKING: The FA has asked Gary O’Neil for his observations on his post-match comments about the refereeing in Wolves’ defeat to Manchester City

[OneBardGooner]

BREAKING: The FA has asked Gary O’Neil for his observations on his post-match comments about the refereeing in Wolves’ defeat to Manchester City

Hopefully he'll lose it in true Batshit style and call out Webb & PGMOL for the CorruptCUNTS they are.


Naaaah! Thought not... They really are like a Tyrannical Dictatorship... If anyone dares criticise them etc they get find and just put even more money in their coffers

on a much lighter note: (Not related to VAR)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42UcIn0JQAY