Barcodes A Sat 2nd Nov KO 1230

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madjens wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:06 am
Wouldn’t say he’s a fraud after taking us to within a whisker of the title. But he does only have one way of playing, and when that’s not available we are not good. Then again if you look at the personnel we have available it is not surprising.
We actually have more than one way of playing and that’s the problem. I think Lidl Pep is adaptable but he’s too conservative when he doesn’t have his first 11 fit. It’s not helped by the fact that we don’t have that magical player who can turn games in a flash when we are not playing well and we will have the same problem with a new manager. Saka comes close but he’s not a peak Salah yet. Over the years, City have had Mahrez, De Bruyne, Haaland etc who can create a goal out of nothing.
We don’t have a world class offensive threat and it goes beyond just buying a striker.

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General wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:09 am
madjens wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:06 am
Wouldn’t say he’s a fraud after taking us to within a whisker of the title. But he does only have one way of playing, and when that’s not available we are not good. Then again if you look at the personnel we have available it is not surprising.
We actually have more than one way of playing and that’s the problem. I think Lidl Pep is adaptable but he’s too conservative when he doesn’t have his first 11 fit. It’s not helped by the fact that we don’t have that magical player who can turn games in a flash when we are not playing well and we will have the same problem with a new manager. Saka comes close but he’s not a peak Salah yet. Over the years, City have had Mahrez, De Bruyne, Haaland etc who can create a goal out of nothing.
We don’t have a world class offensive threat and it goes beyond just buying a striker.

Yeah I’ve said that on here before. We just don’t have the X factor player who can turn a loss into a draw or a draw into a win with a moment of magic on a consistent basis.

As you say when Liverpool or city play shit they’ve players who can dig them out with one half chance…..bang goal. You’re always in a game when you’ve a player like that no matter how badly you’re playing. Contrast that to us - when we play poorly, we almost always drop points.

No clinical finisher to shit house a result out of nothing. When we didn’t get a striker in the summer we took a massive gamble that the goals would continue to be shared around as they were last season. That decision has now bitten us severely in the hole and while Saka will most likely hit his targets, Martinelli has cliff edged, Odegaard is crocked and Trossard is suffering from poor form/playing in a position that doesn’t suit his game.

3 of the 4 avenues where the goals need to come from are not firing and we’re massively fucked as a result.

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Way too many players out of form at the moment. I expect most of the hate is on Havertz (wrongly and boringly) but from where I'm sat White, Rice, Trossard, Martinelli, Merino were all shite. The two Pep rejects then came on and did their usual worryingly bad impressions of highly paid professional footballers

I read today that only Brentford are averaging less shots per game away from home. I think that sums up the way we are playing better than any other. The concrete boots are back on having been shelved for a couple of years, back to the pace of the 1930s. Honestly, it's a tedious and predictable watch right now

All this injury crisis nonsense talk - i mean Odegaard and Califiori and that's about it.

There's no referees conspiracy either - just more hopeless English refs as there has been for much of the past 5-6 years.

We just have too many players out of form. Pure and simple

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:19 pm
Way too many players out of form at the moment. I expect most of the hate is on Havertz (wrongly and boringly) but from where I'm sat White, Rice, Trossard, Martinelli, Merino were all shite. The two Pep rejects then came on and did their usual worryingly bad impressions of highly paid professional footballers

I read today that only Brentford are averaging less shots per game away from home. I think that sums up the way we are playing better than any other. The concrete boots are back on having been shelved for a couple of years, back to the pace of the 1930s. Honestly, it's a tedious and predictable watch right now

All this injury crisis nonsense talk - i mean Odegaard and Califiori and that's about it.

There's no referees conspiracy either - just more hopeless English refs as there has been for much of the past 5-6 years.

We just have too many players out of form.Pure and simple

Maybe as boring to keep hearing it as it is to keep saying it, but wrong it certainly isn’t. He’s absolute pony. No top side who are serious about competing at the top level would have him as their striker….or false 9, or whatever the fuck he’s supposed to be. Technically hopeless. The big Aussie mug at Forest is looking a better option for fuck’s sake and that comes to something.

Too many out of form perhaps, but too many who are bang average whether in form or not and that after £800 million spent.

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General wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:45 pm
John F wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:59 pm
According to the BBC, Arsenal have had only 37 shots in five away league games, the second-worst number in the League. They played like they had drunk 37 shots before they came out.
Skewed by playing 2/5 away games with 10men

Any idea what the numbers are for the 3 games where we had 11 players? Interesting to see how that would compare to the rest of the league.

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rodders999 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:06 pm
General wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:09 am
madjens wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:06 am
Wouldn’t say he’s a fraud after taking us to within a whisker of the title. But he does only have one way of playing, and when that’s not available we are not good. Then again if you look at the personnel we have available it is not surprising.
We actually have more than one way of playing and that’s the problem. I think Lidl Pep is adaptable but he’s too conservative when he doesn’t have his first 11 fit. It’s not helped by the fact that we don’t have that magical player who can turn games in a flash when we are not playing well and we will have the same problem with a new manager. Saka comes close but he’s not a peak Salah yet. Over the years, City have had Mahrez, De Bruyne, Haaland etc who can create a goal out of nothing.
We don’t have a world class offensive threat and it goes beyond just buying a striker.

Yeah I’ve said that on here before. We just don’t have the X factor player who can turn a loss into a draw or a draw into a win with a moment of magic on a consistent basis.

As you say when Liverpool or city play shit they’ve players who can dig them out with one half chance…..bang goal. You’re always in a game when you’ve a player like that no matter how badly you’re playing. Contrast that to us - when we play poorly, we almost always drop points.

No clinical finisher to shit house a result out of nothing. When we didn’t get a striker in the summer we took a massive gamble that the goals would continue to be shared around as they were last season. That decision has now bitten us severely in the hole and while Saka will most likely hit his targets, Martinelli has cliff edged, Odegaard is crocked and Trossard is suffering from poor form/playing in a position that doesn’t suit his game.

3 of the 4 avenues where the goals need to come from are not firing and we’re massively fucked as a result.
Yep and I can’t recall the last time we had that game changing player who could run riot and single handedly settle games when we’re playing shit. We need at least a world class striker, a world class midfielder and possibly a world class commanding goalkeeper. This team as it stands is not good enough to surpass 90points and put the title beyond City’s reach or even snatch the CL from the European elite.

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Retro Gunner wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:49 pm
General wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:45 pm
John F wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:59 pm
According to the BBC, Arsenal have had only 37 shots in five away league games, the second-worst number in the League. They played like they had drunk 37 shots before they came out.
Skewed by playing 2/5 away games with 10men

Any idea what the numbers are for the 3 games where we had 11 players? Interesting to see how that would compare to the rest of the league.
In the 3 away games we played with 11men( Villa, Spurs and Newcastle ) We had 9+7+10 = 26shots so average 8.7shots per game.
Liverpool’s away shot record against comparative opposition is United (11), Arsenal (9) so average of 10.
We are 9th in the overall shots table with 139shots. Liverpool are 7th with 141shots. City are top with 197. Considering we’ve played 3 games with 10men, our record is actually shabby and the problem is chance conversion rather than creation.

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I just love talking stats - in fact I get a massive erection just thinking about stats and how under-valued they are in today's game. I can barely contain myself everytime I hear the phrase "expected goals" - I have to go now cos I need a cold shower fast :oops: :wink:

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augie wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:39 pm
I just love talking stats - in fact I get a massive erection just thinking about stats and how under-valued they are in today's game. I can barely contain myself everytime I hear the phrase "expected goals" - I have to go now cos I need a cold shower fast :oops: :wink:

:lol: :lol:
Hope you've calmed down now augie. I'm normally very wary of stats too, especially the proper bullshit ones, but knowing that we're registering very few shots on goal over a sustained period is quite telling. We all know that we're lacking creativity and a proper striker and being 19th in the league for shots on goal would confirm that. Dismantles the nonsense about false number 9s and everyone contributing goals.

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augie wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:39 pm
I just love talking stats - in fact I get a massive erection just thinking about stats and how under-valued they are in today's game. I can barely contain myself everytime I hear the phrase "expected goals" - I have to go now cos I need a cold shower fast :oops: :wink:
:lol: :lol:

Same here! Shot me muck everywhere. :lol: :wink:

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