Chavski cocks A Sun 10th Nov KO 430pm

[OneBardGooner]

I’ve just watched the extended highlights. Not sure how Caicedo escaped a booking here after committing numerous bookable offences including barging into Timber and hacking at Merino. Same goes for Cucurella who should’ve been booked in the first half for dragging back Saka in a promising attack. If White’s booking was soft, Havertz’ was bizarre. Cucurella run to Oliver and pointed out the head injury. Oliver then went over like a headmaster and asked Havertz to leave the pitch to receive treatment but he was reluctant to because we would’ve been reduced to 10men obviously. It appears Havertz wanted the medical staff to enter the pitch to treat him and Partey came over and asked him to go down. Amidst the confusion, Oliver books Havertz for refusing to leave the pitch. Havertz eventually does and fortunately we retained possession long enough for him to return to the pitch. Imagine if we’d conceded under these circumstances?
Guarantee we wouldn’t have ended the game with 11 men if we has committed the same nature of fouls as Chelsea. These are the fine margins.

While I agree that we’ve been on the wrong end of some poor officiating, some of these posts are beginning to look a little desperate. I thought, while watching the game on Sunday that Caicedo should have been booked and he was overly pumped up, particularly in the first half, but wanting the ref to help us win games is not a good look. The struggles this season are down to Lego Head not the referees.

I look on it as a cake. The base is Arteta and his idea of what a squad is, and that contains ecoli. The terrible refereeing and VAR decisions are just the cream on top. And that cream is soured.

But the base of the cake is absolutely rotten to start with.

What flavour?

[DB10GOONER]

I’ve just watched the extended highlights. Not sure how Caicedo escaped a booking here after committing numerous bookable offences including barging into Timber and hacking at Merino. Same goes for Cucurella who should’ve been booked in the first half for dragging back Saka in a promising attack. If White’s booking was soft, Havertz’ was bizarre. Cucurella run to Oliver and pointed out the head injury. Oliver then went over like a headmaster and asked Havertz to leave the pitch to receive treatment but he was reluctant to because we would’ve been reduced to 10men obviously. It appears Havertz wanted the medical staff to enter the pitch to treat him and Partey came over and asked him to go down. Amidst the confusion, Oliver books Havertz for refusing to leave the pitch. Havertz eventually does and fortunately we retained possession long enough for him to return to the pitch. Imagine if we’d conceded under these circumstances?
Guarantee we wouldn’t have ended the game with 11 men if we has committed the same nature of fouls as Chelsea. These are the fine margins.

While I agree that we’ve been on the wrong end of some poor officiating, some of these posts are beginning to look a little desperate. I thought, while watching the game on Sunday that Caicedo should have been booked and he was overly pumped up, particularly in the first half, but wanting the ref to help us win games is not a good look. The struggles this season are down to Lego Head not the referees.

I look on it as a cake. The base is Arteta and his idea of what a squad is, and that contains ecoli. The terrible refereeing and VAR decisions are just the cream on top. And that cream is soured.

But the base of the cake is absolutely rotten to start with.

What flavour?

Prune and dog shit flavoured.

[DB10GOONER]

I’ve just watched the extended highlights. Not sure how Caicedo escaped a booking here after committing numerous bookable offences including barging into Timber and hacking at Merino. Same goes for Cucurella who should’ve been booked in the first half for dragging back Saka in a promising attack. If White’s booking was soft, Havertz’ was bizarre. Cucurella run to Oliver and pointed out the head injury. Oliver then went over like a headmaster and asked Havertz to leave the pitch to receive treatment but he was reluctant to because we would’ve been reduced to 10men obviously. It appears Havertz wanted the medical staff to enter the pitch to treat him and Partey came over and asked him to go down. Amidst the confusion, Oliver books Havertz for refusing to leave the pitch. Havertz eventually does and fortunately we retained possession long enough for him to return to the pitch. Imagine if we’d conceded under these circumstances?
Guarantee we wouldn’t have ended the game with 11 men if we has committed the same nature of fouls as Chelsea. These are the fine margins.

While I agree that we’ve been on the wrong end of some poor officiating, some of these posts are beginning to look a little desperate. I thought, while watching the game on Sunday that Caicedo should have been booked and he was overly pumped up, particularly in the first half, but wanting the ref to help us win games is not a good look. The struggles this season are down to Lego Head not the referees.

I look on it as a cake. The base is Arteta and his idea of what a squad is, and that contains ecoli. The terrible refereeing and VAR decisions are just the cream on top. And that cream is soured.

But the base of the cake is absolutely rotten to start with.

I love cake!

Not this particular cake.

[General]

I’ve just watched the extended highlights. Not sure how Caicedo escaped a booking here after committing numerous bookable offences including barging into Timber and hacking at Merino. Same goes for Cucurella who should’ve been booked in the first half for dragging back Saka in a promising attack. If White’s booking was soft, Havertz’ was bizarre. Cucurella run to Oliver and pointed out the head injury. Oliver then went over like a headmaster and asked Havertz to leave the pitch to receive treatment but he was reluctant to because we would’ve been reduced to 10men obviously. It appears Havertz wanted the medical staff to enter the pitch to treat him and Partey came over and asked him to go down. Amidst the confusion, Oliver books Havertz for refusing to leave the pitch. Havertz eventually does and fortunately we retained possession long enough for him to return to the pitch. Imagine if we’d conceded under these circumstances?
Guarantee we wouldn’t have ended the game with 11 men if we has committed the same nature of fouls as Chelsea. These are the fine margins.

Looking at how that cock Oliver has officiated us over the years there is no way we should have him ref our games..The prick obviously has an agenda.

After he eventually booked Cucurrela, the hyena remonstrated with the linesman for a good while and Oliver did nothing about it. Once again, if that was an Arsenal there would’ve been a precedent and he would’ve got a second yellow for dissent. See Martinelli double booking at Wolves a couple of seasons ago, again by this very same clown Oliver.

Edit: Found the link. Thanks to this ridiculous precedent by Oliver, it was later clarified that a player must know he’s on a booking before he’s given a second yellow.
https://x.com/Tripple____M/status/1838289942885126277

[Retro Gunner]

I’ve just watched the extended highlights. Not sure how Caicedo escaped a booking here after committing numerous bookable offences including barging into Timber and hacking at Merino. Same goes for Cucurella who should’ve been booked in the first half for dragging back Saka in a promising attack. If White’s booking was soft, Havertz’ was bizarre. Cucurella run to Oliver and pointed out the head injury. Oliver then went over like a headmaster and asked Havertz to leave the pitch to receive treatment but he was reluctant to because we would’ve been reduced to 10men obviously. It appears Havertz wanted the medical staff to enter the pitch to treat him and Partey came over and asked him to go down. Amidst the confusion, Oliver books Havertz for refusing to leave the pitch. Havertz eventually does and fortunately we retained possession long enough for him to return to the pitch. Imagine if we’d conceded under these circumstances?
Guarantee we wouldn’t have ended the game with 11 men if we has committed the same nature of fouls as Chelsea. These are the fine margins.

While I agree that we’ve been on the wrong end of some poor officiating, some of these posts are beginning to look a little desperate. I thought, while watching the game on Sunday that Caicedo should have been booked and he was overly pumped up, particularly in the first half, but wanting the ref to help us win games is not a good look. The struggles this season are down to Lego Head not the referees.

Not sure how you inferred from
what I’ve written that I ‘want ref to help us win games’. You’re putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. Oliver should do his goddamn job and despite his inconsistency and our well documented issues, we played well enough to win it. I still maintain that if those fouls were committed by our players, we wouldn’t have finished with 11men. I didn’t even mention Colwill who committed another obvious yellow card offence but yet wasn’t booked.

You don’t want the ref to help us win games but keep a tally of every instance where you think the ref has made a decision that’s not in our favour. I watched the game and have already agreed that Caicedo should have been booked and Cucurella booked earlier than he was, but no way was that a game reds should have been brandished, nor needed to be and that’s the only decision that could have altered the result.

Oliver is no friend to the Arsenal, but his display on Sunday had no bearing on the result. We were not good enough…again!…and most of that is down to a complete lack of threat and goal scoring impotence up front. That’s down to Arteta and his transfer dealings.

Mantis labelled you an AKB the other day on here and there is a suspicion of it. You’re constantly laying down lines in what appears to be a subtle attempt to deflect blame in other directions and away from Arteta. We got no more than we deserved at Chelsea and it was fuck all to do with Michael Oliver on this occasion. You’re reaching but not finding anything of substance.

[General]

I’ve just watched the extended highlights. Not sure how Caicedo escaped a booking here after committing numerous bookable offences including barging into Timber and hacking at Merino. Same goes for Cucurella who should’ve been booked in the first half for dragging back Saka in a promising attack. If White’s booking was soft, Havertz’ was bizarre. Cucurella run to Oliver and pointed out the head injury. Oliver then went over like a headmaster and asked Havertz to leave the pitch to receive treatment but he was reluctant to because we would’ve been reduced to 10men obviously. It appears Havertz wanted the medical staff to enter the pitch to treat him and Partey came over and asked him to go down. Amidst the confusion, Oliver books Havertz for refusing to leave the pitch. Havertz eventually does and fortunately we retained possession long enough for him to return to the pitch. Imagine if we’d conceded under these circumstances?
Guarantee we wouldn’t have ended the game with 11 men if we has committed the same nature of fouls as Chelsea. These are the fine margins.

While I agree that we’ve been on the wrong end of some poor officiating, some of these posts are beginning to look a little desperate. I thought, while watching the game on Sunday that Caicedo should have been booked and he was overly pumped up, particularly in the first half, but wanting the ref to help us win games is not a good look. The struggles this season are down to Lego Head not the referees.

Not sure how you inferred from
what I’ve written that I ‘want ref to help us win games’. You’re putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. Oliver should do his goddamn job and despite his inconsistency and our well documented issues, we played well enough to win it. I still maintain that if those fouls were committed by our players, we wouldn’t have finished with 11men. I didn’t even mention Colwill who committed another obvious yellow card offence but yet wasn’t booked.

You don’t want the ref to help us win games but keep a tally of every instance where you think the ref has made a decision that’s not in our favour. I watched the game and have already agreed that Caicedo should have been booked and Cucurella booked earlier than he was, but no way was that a game reds should have been brandished, nor needed to be and that’s the only decision that could have altered the result.

Oliver is no friend to the Arsenal, but his display on Sunday had no bearing on the result. We were not good enough…again!…and most of that is down to a complete lack of threat and goal scoring impotence up front. That’s down to Arteta and his transfer dealings.

Mantis labelled you an AKB the other day on here and there is a suspicion of it. You’re constantly laying down lines in what appears to be a subtle attempt to deflect blame in other directions and away from Arteta. We got no more than we deserved at Chelsea and it was fuck all to do with Michael Oliver on this occasion. You’re reaching but not finding anything of substance.

I’m not sure how asking the referee to do his job and be consistent can be interpreted as wanting him to help us win games. That is a very bizarre conclusion and you’re playing mental gymnastics. It is possible to argue that the referee was inconsistent and also highlight deficiencies in our performance. They are not mutually exclusive and at no point did I say that Oliver was responsible for us not winning. I am willing to concede that our defensive structure prior to Chelsea’s goal was poor and the attack lacked potency. This was down to Arteta, but Chelsea are a half decent side and this game came down to the fine margins.

You can’t admit that Cucurella should’ve been booked earlier and then dismiss the idea that he could’ve received a second yellow. When Oliver eventually decided to book him, he would’ve already been on a yellow. The same goes for Caicedo who was not even booked. Again you’re burying your head in the sand with the argument that it wasn’t a game that reds should've been brandished. We all felt the same against Brighton and City, but the reality is were reduced to 10men because the referee 'had no choice' to brandish a second yellow apparently. These decisions influenced the course of the game so by your flawed logic, the referee helped Brighton and City.

Finally I’m very disappointed that you’d even attempt to corroborate another poster’s accusation that I’m somehow an AKB. You must have a short memory because I was very much part of the protest group against Wenger. Look at the history of my posts going back to 2017 and also a watsapp group with a certain Neil (hint).

Not saying you in particular, but some posters on this forum have created their own echo chamber, are still looking at the club through the prism of the Wenger era and simply refuse to move on. It is impossible to have an objective discussion with these people.

[Retro Gunner]

No mental gymnastics required. I’m no fan of Michael Oliver, but he didn’t have a bad game on Sunday and in my opinion had no detrimental influence on proceedings or influence on the result. We’ve had justiciable reasons to have a scream up over the refereeing of a number of games this season, but Sunday wasn’t one of them in my book. You need to avoid the tendency to look for corruption and / or incompetence each and every time we play.

I was waiting for that response about red cards…that if he’d given an earlier yellow, then the second would have been a red. I’m sure you have enough experience playing and watching the game to know that it really doesn’t work like that. Once a player is booked, they invariably walk a straighter line. It doesn’t follow that Cucrella would have got the yellow he received had he got an earlier one. Quite apart from behaving in a way to avoid it, it’s clear that refs are generally averse to brandishing second yellow too easily.

All these points are moot in my opinion. The game had no glaring refereeing errors and wasn’t officiated poorly. We failed to win because we didn’t do enough to warrant it. At least you agree with that.

As for AKB, I’ve no doubt that Mantis was using it generically, eg. concocting all manner of excuses to defend a manager and / or because Arteta Knows Best also fits the acronym. Wanting Wenger out doesn’t mean that one won’t be defending Arteta…to use your expression, the two notions aren't mutually exclusive. I should add that people are at liberty to defend Arteta as much as they desire. God knows they defended Wenger for a decade or more and many still do.

[General]

Your apologist view that Oliver didn't have a bad game is way off the mark if we are to go by the evidence this season and how the rules have been applied. Again I didn't say anything about corruption but for him to do his job and do it consistently without bias. A prompt yellow to Cucurella or Caicedo completely changes the dynamic of the game, whether it means they play more cautiously, not been so pumped up as you said with Caicedo, the manager is forced into an unplanned early sub to prevent a second yellow or they simply get their marching orders for another bookable offence. As I mentioned, Cucurella could've walked after the yellow, including arguing with the linesman which counts as dissent and diving near the corner flag following zero contact from Jesus which Oliver saw but took no action. I am convinced that we wouldn't have finished this game with 11men if we had adopted Chelsea's tactics and nothing you've written proves otherwise.

"it’s clear that refs are generally averse to brandishing second yellow too easily" Are we still taking about Oliver?

When Mantis called me an AKB, I sought clarification which he failed to provide so it is rather odd that you'd revive this ad hominem and then go on to speculate on what you thought he meant. Just because I am highlighting factors which I thought contributed to the way this game turned out doesn't make me an Arteta loyalist. On the other hand looking for every reason to direct blame the manager is a play book from the Wenger era.

[the playing mantis]

Your word soup posts are too painful to read tbh general. I find them rather trying.

Apologies if tilting at windmills ,but that's the impression I'm getting. A is for arteta...

Btw I've told you a number of times Retro, stop trying to groom me.

I know you want a mantis big ange sandwich...ain't happening bud.

It would take at least 3 babychams for me to even consider it...big fat ange...shirt undone a few buttons showing his no doubt hairy chest and big f off 80s medallion...phew.

Well maybe 2 babychams

[General]

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[General]

Your word soup posts are too painful to read tbh general. I find them rather trying.

Apologies if tilting at windmills ,but that's the impression I'm getting. A is for arteta...

Btw I've told you a number of times Retro, stop trying to groom me.

I know you want a mantis big ange sandwich...ain't happening bud.

It would take at least 3 babychams for me to even consider it...big fat ange...shirt undone a few buttons showing his no doubt hairy chest and big f off 80s medallion...phew.

Well maybe 2 babychams

The feeling is mutual. It’s not like you’re posting anything intelligible anyway

I suspect you might be someone’s second account/alter ego. It wouldn’t be unusual on a football forum.

Btw Arteta loyalists are called Artetasexuals. Please keep up. The meaning of AKB has never changed.

[Retro Gunner]

Your apologist view that Oliver didn't have a bad game is way off the mark if we are to go by the evidence this season and how the rules have been applied. Again I didn't say anything about corruption but for him to do his job and do it consistently without bias. A prompt yellow to Cucurella or Caicedo completely changes the dynamic of the game, whether it means they play more cautiously, not been so pumped up as you said with Caicedo, the manager is forced into an unplanned early sub to prevent a second yellow or they simply get their marching orders for another bookable offence. As I mentioned, Cucurella could've walked after the yellow, including arguing with the linesman which counts as dissent and diving near the corner flag following zero contact from Jesus which Oliver saw but took no action. I am convinced that we wouldn't have finished this game with 11men if we had adopted Chelsea's tactics and nothing you've written proves otherwise.

"it’s clear that refs are generally averse to brandishing second yellow too easily" Are we still taking about Oliver?

When Mantis called me an AKB, I sought clarification which he failed to provide so it is rather odd that you'd revive this ad hominem and then go on to speculate on what you thought he meant. Just because I am highlighting factors which I thought contributed to the way this game turned out doesn't make me an Arteta loyalist. On the other hand looking for every reason to direct blame the manager is a play book from the Wenger era.

Sorry mate, but saying I have no serious gripes about the way the game was officiated, does not make me an apologist for Oliver. It might make me rational and fair, but I’ll leave that to others to judge. The basis for your argument seems to be that because we’ve seen plenty of piss poor refereeing this season, the only consistency we should seek is more piss poor refereeing. Personally, I prefer an improvement all round and for the officiating to be consistently better. I can live with Oliver’s performance on Sunday, because nothing significantly wrong or game changing took place….in my opinion of course.

Once again, I do think a yellow for Caicedo and an earlier one for Cucurella were justifiable, but it’s not enough to have me searching for an excuse for failure and it wouldn’t have necessarily led to a second yellow and therefore a red. That’s a simplistic appraisal of the game on a forum where I’d like to think we all understand the game a bit more than that.

Of course I can’t convince you that we wouldn’t have had yellow and red cards if we’d adopted Chelsea’s approach, because it’s pure speculation either way. Who knows?

As for looking for every reason to blame the manager, I don’t think it takes too much effort. Five years, 800 million spent, going backwards this season and some inexcusable gaps in the squad. It hardly requires a knee jerk reaction does it?

As for the AKB question, I’ll leave you and Mantis to thrash that out. I’d rather not be involved, especially as he’s making unnerving overtures in my direction.

[the playing mantis]

Your apologist view that Oliver didn't have a bad game is way off the mark if we are to go by the evidence this season and how the rules have been applied. Again I didn't say anything about corruption but for him to do his job and do it consistently without bias. A prompt yellow to Cucurella or Caicedo completely changes the dynamic of the game, whether it means they play more cautiously, not been so pumped up as you said with Caicedo, the manager is forced into an unplanned early sub to prevent a second yellow or they simply get their marching orders for another bookable offence. As I mentioned, Cucurella could've walked after the yellow, including arguing with the linesman which counts as dissent and diving near the corner flag following zero contact from Jesus which Oliver saw but took no action. I am convinced that we wouldn't have finished this game with 11men if we had adopted Chelsea's tactics and nothing you've written proves otherwise.

"it’s clear that refs are generally averse to brandishing second yellow too easily" Are we still taking about Oliver?

When Mantis called me an AKB, I sought clarification which he failed to provide so it is rather odd that you'd revive this ad hominem and then go on to speculate on what you thought he meant. Just because I am highlighting factors which I thought contributed to the way this game turned out doesn't make me an Arteta loyalist. On the other hand looking for every reason to direct blame the manager is a play book from the Wenger era.

Sorry mate, but saying I have no serious gripes about the way the game was officiated, does not make me an apologist for Oliver. It might make me rational and fair, but I’ll leave that to others to judge. The basis for your argument seems to be that because we’ve seen plenty of piss poor refereeing this season, the only consistency we should seek is more piss poor refereeing. Personally, I prefer an improvement all round and for the officiating to be consistently better. I can live with Oliver’s performance on Sunday, because nothing significantly wrong or game changing took place….in my opinion of course.

Once again, I do think a yellow for Caicedo and an earlier one for Cucurella were justifiable, but it’s not enough to have me searching for an excuse for failure and it wouldn’t have necessarily led to a second yellow and therefore a red. That’s a simplistic appraisal of the game on a forum where I’d like to think we all understand the game a bit more than that.

Of course I can’t convince you that we wouldn’t have had yellow and red cards if we’d adopted Chelsea’s approach, because it’s pure speculation either way. Who knows?

As for looking for every reason to blame the manager, I don’t think it takes too much effort. Five years, 800 million spent, going backwards this season and some inexcusable gaps in the squad. It hardly requires a knee jerk reaction does it?

As for the AKB question, I’ll leave you and Mantis to thrash that out. I’d rather not be involved, especially as he’s making unnerving overtures in my direction.

[DB10GOONER]

Your apologist view that Oliver didn't have a bad game is way off the mark if we are to go by the evidence this season and how the rules have been applied. Again I didn't say anything about corruption but for him to do his job and do it consistently without bias. A prompt yellow to Cucurella or Caicedo completely changes the dynamic of the game, whether it means they play more cautiously, not been so pumped up as you said with Caicedo, the manager is forced into an unplanned early sub to prevent a second yellow or they simply get their marching orders for another bookable offence. As I mentioned, Cucurella could've walked after the yellow, including arguing with the linesman which counts as dissent and diving near the corner flag following zero contact from Jesus which Oliver saw but took no action. I am convinced that we wouldn't have finished this game with 11men if we had adopted Chelsea's tactics and nothing you've written proves otherwise.

"it’s clear that refs are generally averse to brandishing second yellow too easily" Are we still taking about Oliver?

When Mantis called me an AKB, I sought clarification which he failed to provide so it is rather odd that you'd revive this ad hominem and then go on to speculate on what you thought he meant. Just because I am highlighting factors which I thought contributed to the way this game turned out doesn't make me an Arteta loyalist. On the other hand looking for every reason to direct blame the manager is a play book from the Wenger era.

Sorry mate, but saying I have no serious gripes about the way the game was officiated, does not make me an apologist for Oliver. It might make me rational and fair, but I’ll leave that to others to judge. The basis for your argument seems to be that because we’ve seen plenty of piss poor refereeing this season, the only consistency we should seek is more piss poor refereeing. Personally, I prefer an improvement all round and for the officiating to be consistently better. I can live with Oliver’s performance on Sunday, because nothing significantly wrong or game changing took place….in my opinion of course.

Once again, I do think a yellow for Caicedo and an earlier one for Cucurella were justifiable, but it’s not enough to have me searching for an excuse for failure and it wouldn’t have necessarily led to a second yellow and therefore a red. That’s a simplistic appraisal of the game on a forum where I’d like to think we all understand the game a bit more than that.

Of course I can’t convince you that we wouldn’t have had yellow and red cards if we’d adopted Chelsea’s approach, because it’s pure speculation either way. Who knows?

As for looking for every reason to blame the manager, I don’t think it takes too much effort. Five years, 800 million spent, going backwards this season and some inexcusable gaps in the squad. It hardly requires a knee jerk reaction does it?

As for the AKB question, I’ll leave you and Mantis to thrash that out. I’d rather not be involved, especially as he’s making unnerving overtures in my direction.

He's dragged me into this horseshit on the Arteta thread now ffs. Can you and Mantis keep him over here please?

[Redarmy]

Your apologist view that Oliver didn't have a bad game is way off the mark if we are to go by the evidence this season and how the rules have been applied. Again I didn't say anything about corruption but for him to do his job and do it consistently without bias. A prompt yellow to Cucurella or Caicedo completely changes the dynamic of the game, whether it means they play more cautiously, not been so pumped up as you said with Caicedo, the manager is forced into an unplanned early sub to prevent a second yellow or they simply get their marching orders for another bookable offence. As I mentioned, Cucurella could've walked after the yellow, including arguing with the linesman which counts as dissent and diving near the corner flag following zero contact from Jesus which Oliver saw but took no action. I am convinced that we wouldn't have finished this game with 11men if we had adopted Chelsea's tactics and nothing you've written proves otherwise.

"it’s clear that refs are generally averse to brandishing second yellow too easily" Are we still taking about Oliver?

When Mantis called me an AKB, I sought clarification which he failed to provide so it is rather odd that you'd revive this ad hominem and then go on to speculate on what you thought he meant. Just because I am highlighting factors which I thought contributed to the way this game turned out doesn't make me an Arteta loyalist. On the other hand looking for every reason to direct blame the manager is a play book from the Wenger era.

Highlighted is totally correct

Hate that long haired fucker