Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[OneBardGooner]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

The Community Shield is a trophy

More like an over-sized Silver Dinner Platter for Cheese By a Bunch of Posh Knobs Who Often Use the Term Arf! Arf! Arf! Tarquin... Bodger and Blinko...etc

[General]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

The Community Shield is a trophy

No. No, it is not.

What is it then?

[General]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

[Retro Gunner]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

And if he doesn't? What's the time frame, how long without a trophy before you say "enough"?

[Retro Gunner]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

How desperate is that....says it all.

Fuuuuck.... desperate indeed.

We would absolutely pile on if Fat Angie Hippopotamusadopolus used a community shield win as defence of himself. And rightly so. Fucking community shield. I have 5 a side medals with about as much credibility as that fucking thing.

Exactly that. If a scum supporter started listing Charity Shields in their roll of honours, I'd take the piss mercilessly. No self respecting football supporter would list Charity Shields amongst their club's honours, it's small club mentality.

As for Arteta, this is how it starts and it's more evidence of Wenger Mkll. Soon we'll be hearing that 4th place is a trophy and that we've won the calendar year league.

[General]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

And if he doesn't? What's the time frame, how long without a trophy before you say "enough"?

He gets another season at least.

Re-charity shield. It really is a trophy and in both instances we defeated the best team in the league. You have to earn the right to be there. Let’s not bring Spurs into it. They don’t have the privilege of counting one.
The wider point here is whether we’ve made sufficient progress to warrant giving Mikel more time. I’ve said many times that we had to reconstruct the footballing foundations of this club after Wenger and it was always going to take several years to undo the damage.

[Retro Gunner]

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

And if he doesn't? What's the time frame, how long without a trophy before you say "enough"?

He gets another season at least.

Re-charity shield. It really is a trophy and in both instances we defeated the best team in the league. You have to earn the right to be there. Let’s not bring Spurs into it. They don’t have the privilege of counting one.
The wider point here is whether we’ve made sufficient progress to warrant giving Mikel more time. I’ve said many times that we had to reconstruct the footballing foundations of this club after Wenger and it was always going to take several years to undo the damage.

Re the Charity Shield, I don’t think I know any serious football supporter that would list it in the trophy haul. I’d find it embarrassing to do so and I’m far from alone. Schoolboys, women and blokes that haven’t played and tend to have no idea what they’re watching might desperately include, together with small time club supporters, but no one serious in my opinion.
Not sure why spurs can’t be brought into it, they’ve won it a few times and I’ve no doubt their fans count it.

You’re equivocating on Arteta. “Another season at least.” That could be two, ten, or more. The line about the mess he inherited is done to death. He had the basis of a squad, kept a couple, got rid of most and has spent £800 million in 5 years. That’s time and money enough. Few were talking about the mess he inherited over the previous two seasons. The talk was about what a fabulous job he was doing. Well, we’ve regressed big time this season, but suddenly it’s all to do with what he inherited. It’s more accurate to judge by his season against the last two and also against Liverpool and Chelsea who have interestingly both appointed new managers.

[Retro Gunner]

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

And if he doesn't? What's the time frame, how long without a trophy before you say "enough"?

He gets another season at least.

Re-charity shield. It really is a trophy and in both instances we defeated the best team in the league. You have to earn the right to be there. Let’s not bring Spurs into it. They don’t have the privilege of counting one.
The wider point here is whether we’ve made sufficient progress to warrant giving Mikel more time. I’ve said many times that we had to reconstruct the footballing foundations of this club after Wenger and it was always going to take several years to undo the damage.

Re the Charity Shield, I don’t think I know any serious football supporter that would list it in the trophy haul. I’d find it embarrassing to do so and I’m far from alone. Schoolboys, women and blokes that haven’t played and tend to have no idea what they’re watching might desperately include, together with small time club supporters, but no one serious in my opinion.
Not sure why spurs can’t be brought into it, they’ve won it a few times and I’ve no doubt their fans count it.

You’re equivocating on Arteta. “Another season at least.” That could be two, ten, or more. The line about the mess he inherited is done to death. He had the basis of a squad, kept a couple, got rid of most and has spent £800 million in 5 years. That’s time and money enough. Few were talking about the mess he inherited over the previous two seasons. The talk was about what a fabulous job he was doing. Well, we’ve regressed big time this season, but suddenly it’s all to do with what he inherited. It’s more accurate to judge by his season against the last two and also against Liverpool and Chelsea who have interestingly both appointed new managers.

[xgtdec]

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

And if he doesn't? What's the time frame, how long without a trophy before you say "enough"?

He gets another season at least.

Re-charity shield. It really is a trophy and in both instances we defeated the best team in the league. You have to earn the right to be there. Let’s not bring Spurs into it. They don’t have the privilege of counting one.
The wider point here is whether we’ve made sufficient progress to warrant giving Mikel more time. I’ve said many times that we had to reconstruct the footballing foundations of this club after Wenger and it was always going to take several years to undo the damage.

Im certainly not going to be tellin ya to go support another club or anything like it, but your views on the charity shield are nothing short of embarrasing and typical of “other” clubs. But if thats the mentality of yer average gooner then we need to up that game, a charity shield aint worth a fiddlers fuck to nobody and arteta even mentioning it is embarrassing in the extreme. Just another example of why legohead is wonga the 2nd and shouldnt be anywhere near where he unfortunately is

[Limerick Gooner]

Charity shield is a joke trophy. We won both on penalties anyway.

[BFG4]

Mikel Arteta: “Criticism? We deserved to win the last six games by a mile”.

Another gem by our fearless leader what an arrogant delusional twat, wanker part two. Soon he'll be fiddling with his oversized jacket on the sidelines and talking about the handbrake being on

[Retro Gunner]

Mikel Arteta: “Criticism? We deserved to win the last six games by a mile”.

Another gem by our fearless leader what an arrogant delusional twat, wanker part two. Soon he'll be fiddling with his oversized jacket on the sidelines and talking about the handbrake being on

Ah yes and I can't wait for "special circumstances" to make an appearance, along with "an accident", oh and "lacking a bit the sharpness in the final third" seems very pertinent at the moment. Before you start criticising BFG, you must remember that we haven't drawn and lost those games this season, we won them due to expected goals and that's what's important.

Hooray, the good old days are back!!

[DB10GOONER]

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

And if he doesn't? What's the time frame, how long without a trophy before you say "enough"?

He gets another season at least.

Re-charity shield. It really is a trophy and in both instances we defeated the best team in the league. You have to earn the right to be there. Let’s not bring Spurs into it. They don’t have the privilege of counting one.
The wider point here is whether we’ve made sufficient progress to warrant giving Mikel more time. I’ve said many times that we had to reconstruct the footballing foundations of this club after Wenger and it was always going to take several years to undo the damage.

Re the Charity Shield, I don’t think I know any serious football supporter that would list it in the trophy haul. I’d find it embarrassing to do so and I’m far from alone. Schoolboys, women and blokes that haven’t played and tend to have no idea what they’re watching might desperately include, together with small time club supporters, but no one serious in my opinion.
Not sure why spurs can’t be brought into it, they’ve won it a few times and I’ve no doubt their fans count it.

You’re equivocating on Arteta. “Another season at least.” That could be two, ten, or more. The line about the mess he inherited is done to death. He had the basis of a squad, kept a couple, got rid of most and has spent £800 million in 5 years. That’s time and money enough. Few were talking about the mess he inherited over the previous two seasons. The talk was about what a fabulous job he was doing. Well, we’ve regressed big time this season, but suddenly it’s all to do with what he inherited. It’s more accurate to judge by his season against the last two and also against Liverpool and Chelsea who have interestingly both appointed new managers.

Great Post Retro. Agree with every word. The cultists always move the goal posts to try justify their belief in a busted flush manager. Happened all the time with Wenger and we are seeing it again now with Arteta.

[DB10GOONER]

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

We are a long way away from the apathy we saw in Wonga’s latter years. It is not around the corner sir. Tactically we are streetwise and no longer allow the damaging high scoring defeats that tarnished the club’s competitive image under Wonga. Signings are not all down to Mikel and we also have to operate within the Premier League Sustainability rules. Suggest he’ll be here for another 2-3years so better get used it. I’m ok with another season or 2 if he wins a trophy.

And if he doesn't? What's the time frame, how long without a trophy before you say "enough"?

He gets another season at least.

Re-charity shield. It really is a trophy and in both instances we defeated the best team in the league. You have to earn the right to be there. Let’s not bring Spurs into it. They don’t have the privilege of counting one.
The wider point here is whether we’ve made sufficient progress to warrant giving Mikel more time. I’ve said many times that we had to reconstruct the footballing foundations of this club after Wenger and it was always going to take several years to undo the damage.

Im certainly not going to be tellin ya to go support another club or anything like it, but your views on the charity shield are nothing short of embarrasing and typical of “other” clubs. But if thats the mentality of yer average gooner then we need to up that game, a charity shield aint worth a fiddlers fuck to nobody and arteta even mentioning it is embarrassing in the extreme. Just another example of why legohead is wonga the 2nd and shouldnt be anywhere near where he unfortunately is

Amen, Dec. Fucking embarrassing beyond belief to be bigging up the charity shield - which is what is. It was historically a friendly season opener. No real proper football fan would ever consider it a trophy.

[the playing mantis]

Arsenal won't buy anyone in January. They might take up a loan deal if they can find a suitable player. They also won't give back the c.unt Sterling who'll still be waddling around the car park looking for the used knickers he borrowed off Mantis come May.