As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Salah is the difference, if we had him we’d be off into the sunset. He’s fucking lethal and they’re never out of a game with him up top. If he gets any length of injury they’ll be in trouble but if he stays fit and in current form then nobody will catch them.
I accept all that rodders but they get the ball to him quickly which allows him to play to his strengths - do you have confidence we would do the same ? We would pass sidewards for a few mins and then pass backwards once or twice, and then pass it to odeargod who would tap the ball to himself at least 6 times before releasing it to salah who by then would be double teamed and have nowhere to go
Exactly this. I was going to post the same thing and referenced the speed with which they move the ball in the post above. Teams know how dangerous Saka is, so always double up on him, but no one can tell me that those same teams don’t know how deadly Salah is….he is truly world class and has been for years, but the ball is moved so quickly that the opposition can’t get set as they can against us.
When teams are parking the bus, the only way to open them up is to move the ball quickly with one or two touch. As augie says, we dither on it, have multiple touches and move it sideways and backwards. It gives the defence plenty of time to marshall themselves and maintain their positions.
Of course, the other huge difference is that Liverpool have quality strikers and we don’t have anyone worthy of the name. I’m sure a few of us have been mentioning that on here for a couple of years, but y’know, Tets knows.
Salah is the difference, if we had him we’d be off into the sunset. He’s fucking lethal and they’re never out of a game with him up top. If he gets any length of injury they’ll be in trouble but if he stays fit and in current form then nobody will catch them.
I accept all that rodders but they get the ball to him quickly which allows him to play to his strengths - do you have confidence we would do the same ? We would pass sidewards for a few mins and then pass backwards once or twice, and then pass it to odeargod who would tap the ball to himself at least 6 times before releasing it to salah who by then I would like to watch be double teamed by laca and ohdeargod and have nowhere to go
They will drop a few points, teams always do and their not as good as city have been in seasons past, not a patch, and a couple of injuries either Salah or vdv and they are in bit of bother but not enough. We won't catch them unless we revert back to attacking style rather than this turgid less effective, restrictive control style and or we sign 2 good attackers in Jan. Chavs are the only ones who might do and they seem to have hot the buffers lately.
I don't believe that our squad is as good as liverpools, apart from saka none of our attacking players would get in their team.
I can only assume that klopp is watching from afar hoping that they don't win the league because it will show his failings as a manager.
He's one of their most successful managers and they owe much of their current form to the rebuilding work he did before he left. Slot didn't need to get rid of trouble makers and substandard quality like Arteta. The core of the squad is still intact and they've tasted glory before which makes a huge difference.
As others have said, they've built enough buffer, can afford to drop points and the rest are never going to be consistent enough including. us. We will contuinue to play bridesmaid until we fix our lack of quality in key areas.
That’s all well and good General (and I agree about Klopp, he did an excellent job and without a pimped City would have landed two more league titles), but you can’t take anything away from Slot. It was never going to be easy to take over from a charismatic manager like Klopp, but he now has the same team playing better than last season, when it looked like the team was on the wane.
Arteta got rid of trouble makers in his first couple of years and this side has been completely his for at least the two seasons prior to this one. He’s had time and money and the support of the owners. His team finished comfortably ahead of Liverpool last term and it’s entirely fair to judge him against the achievements that Slot has managed in his first season in charge. So far Arteta is coming up short in my opinion.
Should be more like a 2 point lead at max. Failing to hold on with that last minute goal conceded against Cheaty, those last minute misses against the Renters and Toon would be and extra 3 points.
Could even argue that disallowed goal against the victims would have been a massive swing in our favour.
Points tossed away regularly. We are no less of a team than Liverpool this season.
I think that’s what is known as cognitive dissonance.
You mean in the same way a Psychiatrist whilst talking with a Philosopher about how a child might be able to hold two very separate perceptions of a chair; by thinking of it as a sail boat with which to play whilst also engaging with it as and in its intended object as a Chair for sitting on?
Not quite OBG, it’s holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time and being adamant that both are true.
In this case,
A. We have regularly tossed points away, but…
B. We are no less a team than Liverpool (who have not regularly tossed points away).
If A is true, which it is and is factually verifiable, then B can’t be true.
Politics aside, you’ll find no better examples of cognitive dissonance than amongst football supporters. It’s the classic mental conflict of fact and emotion.
I 'know' what you mean/t mate, but in order to hold a Dualistic Perception and / or Comprehension of something; particularly in a Dualistic World one needs to be able to see that Dualism for what it is.
And whilst you are 'correct' in what you say, it is also true to say that whilst Cognitive Dissonance can be said to have polarised beliefs/ perceptions / opinions of a situation or of something, in order to do that without being in Illusion one also needs to be able to grasp the Full Picture which whilst contending Opinions that might be said to be Opposite, the Polemic of such a stance is that we Humans being Dualistic in our nature are ever seeking to hold a Singular view of everything. Which of course is only possible if the 'Thinking Narrative' of the mind; ie: one's Ego can be shown to be but a function within the Greater Self of Mind, Body & Spirit.
I don't believe that our squad is as good as liverpools, apart from saka none of our attacking players would get in their team.
I can only assume that klopp is watching from afar hoping that they don't win the league because it will show his failings as a manager.
He's one of their most successful managers and they owe much of their current form to the rebuilding work he did before he left. Slot didn't need to get rid of trouble makers and substandard quality like Arteta. The core of the squad is still intact and they've tasted glory before which makes a huge difference.
As others have said, they've built enough buffer, can afford to drop points and the rest are never going to be consistent enough including. us. We will contuinue to play bridesmaid until we fix our lack of quality in key areas.
I love those comments that disparage the former players who won the cone boy the only trophy the clown has won as a manager - if he replaced them with winners and added to the trophy haul then by all means be disrespectful to them, but the reality is that he wouldnt still be manager at Arsenal if they had not won him that fa cup and that is for certain. You can bu!!shit all you like about the last two seasons second place finishes, but the reality is that he would have been sacked before then had they not have won that fa cup
I also love reading about the lack of quality in the team - he has spent £800m so why is there still a lack of quality, and how much more does he expect to be allowed spend before the team no longer lacks quality ? With exception of saka and saliba (our best two players) and martinelli, the rest are all his players, so if we are lacking quality then maybe the spotlight should be on the people who signed the players
Points tossed away regularly. We are no less of a team than Liverpool this season.
I think that’s what is known as cognitive dissonance.
You mean in the same way a Psychiatrist whilst talking with a Philosopher about how a child might be able to hold two very separate perceptions of a chair; by thinking of it as a sail boat with which to play whilst also engaging with it as and in its intended object as a Chair for sitting on?
Not quite OBG, it’s holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time and being adamant that both are true.
In this case,
A. We have regularly tossed points away, but…
B. We are no less a team than Liverpool (who have not regularly tossed points away).
If A is true, which it is and is factually verifiable, then B can’t be true.
Politics aside, you’ll find no better examples of cognitive dissonance than amongst football supporters. It’s the classic mental conflict of fact and emotion.
I 'know' what you mean/t mate, but in order to hold a Dualistic Perception and / or Comprehension of something; particularly in a Dualistic World one needs to be able to see that Dualism for what it is.
And whilst you are 'correct' in what you say, it is also true to say that whilst Cognitive Dissonance can be said to have polarised beliefs/ perceptions / opinions of a situation or of something, in order to do that without being in Illusion one also needs to be able to grasp the Full Picture which whilst contending Opinions that might be said to be Opposite, the Polemic of such a stance is that we Humans being Dualistic in our nature are ever seeking to hold a Singular view of everything. Which of course is only possible if the 'Thinking Narrative' of the mind; ie: one's Ego can be shown to be but a function within the Greater Self of Mind, Body & Spirit.
I think that’s what is known as cognitive dissonance.
You mean in the same way a Psychiatrist whilst talking with a Philosopher about how a child might be able to hold two very separate perceptions of a chair; by thinking of it as a sail boat with which to play whilst also engaging with it as and in its intended object as a Chair for sitting on?
Not quite OBG, it’s holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time and being adamant that both are true.
In this case,
A. We have regularly tossed points away, but…
B. We are no less a team than Liverpool (who have not regularly tossed points away).
If A is true, which it is and is factually verifiable, then B can’t be true.
Politics aside, you’ll find no better examples of cognitive dissonance than amongst football supporters. It’s the classic mental conflict of fact and emotion.
I 'know' what you mean/t mate, but in order to hold a Dualistic Perception and / or Comprehension of something; particularly in a Dualistic World one needs to be able to see that Dualism for what it is.
And whilst you are 'correct' in what you say, it is also true to say that whilst Cognitive Dissonance can be said to have polarised beliefs/ perceptions / opinions of a situation or of something, in order to do that without being in Illusion one also needs to be able to grasp the Full Picture which whilst contending Opinions that might be said to be Opposite, the Polemic of such a stance is that we Humans being Dualistic in our nature are ever seeking to hold a Singular view of everything. Which of course is only possible if the 'Thinking Narrative' of the mind; ie: one's Ego can be shown to be but a function within the Greater Self of Mind, Body & Spirit.
What ultimately did for OG forum favourite Don Unai Emery was when he brought the bug eyed bottler Ozil back into the team after he’d (rightly) binned him off when results started to go down the shitter.
If you bin someone off then you’ve got to own it and stick by your guns. Arteta did it with Auba, stuck to it and lived to tell the tale but players will smell the weakness in a manager a mile off if they back down.
Don Unai was toast the minute he brought Ozil (and Ramsey to a lesser extent who he’d also binned) back. The dressing room will lose all respect for a manger who shows zero balls.
The point here is that Rashford is back in for united. With results in the shitter this new c.unt has caved after a couple of weeks and basically signed his own death warrant here. Hardline approach out the window after 3 weeks - the rest of the squad will be pissing themselves. He’s toast.
Fatty-miro, Hammer Head Harry and Banter Onana having a meeting to work out what caused the latest calamity. Answer - the Argentinian (vegan) butcher not trying a leg as usual.
Were we really in for him? Fucking hell bullet dodged there he’s absolute shit.
Heading down. Ipswich beating the Chavs, lost to fellow relegation strugglers Wolves, Everton picking up points. They're in real trouble and it's fucking brilliant. Next few manc derbies may well be in the second tier.
Nobody expected Amorim to come in and turn them in to Brazil 1970 overnight but fucking hell they’re embarrassingly bad. No way he lasts there and as I said above bringing back Rashford is the beginning of the end. The choppers should be 5 up.
Fatty-miro and Erickson in midfield - fucking suberv banter
