Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[OneBardGooner]

There are very few; if any Arsenal Fans that I bother listening to / watching on You Tube... But I was sent a link to this and thought he made total sense and said what most of us are thinking & saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9cQFFUtgY


13 minutes.

[falkirk goon]

I'm amazed that we haven't heard from the enlightened John Cross yet, telling us all how Diet Pep is the second coming of the messiah that we should all be grateful and to be careful of what we wish for.

Cross is a fannybulge he really is Some of the shite he spouts he has to be a closet Spud.

A closet spud, it the one thing im dreading my son telling me one day.

My 2 lads go around calling them Tottenham Hotshite and Tottenham Cockspurs all the while giggling away to eachother They are only 10 and 7 so the Mrs isn't impressed..I must be a terrible parent..

[OneBardGooner]

I'm amazed that we haven't heard from the enlightened John Cross yet, telling us all how Diet Pep is the second coming of the messiah that we should all be grateful and to be careful of what we wish for.

Cross is a fannybulge he really is Some of the shite he spouts he has to be a closet Spud.

A closet spud, it the one thing im dreading my son telling me one day.

My 2 lads go around calling them Tottenham Hotshite and Tottenham Cockspurs all the while giggling away to eachother They are only 10 and 7 so the Mrs isn't impressed..I must be a terrible parent..

That's nothing mate, I've taught my 3 yr old Grand Daughter to say/sing VERY Loudly; even in public "If You Hate Tottenham Stand UP!" So every time she gets down from the dining table or off the sofa etc she Says/ Sings it.... We looked after her for a long (4 days) week-end when her Mum & Dad went away back in August and when they came back My Work (as they say) was Done! She has now taught it to her friend in nursery.

[Limerick Gooner]

There are very few; if any Arsenal Fans that I bother listening to / watching on You Tube... But I was sent a link to this and thought he made total sense and said what most of us are thinking & saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9cQFFUtgY


13 minutes.

Sums it up well.

[falkirk goon]

I'm amazed that we haven't heard from the enlightened John Cross yet, telling us all how Diet Pep is the second coming of the messiah that we should all be grateful and to be careful of what we wish for.

Cross is a fannybulge he really is Some of the shite he spouts he has to be a closet Spud.

A closet spud, it the one thing im dreading my son telling me one day.

My 2 lads go around calling them Tottenham Hotshite and Tottenham Cockspurs all the while giggling away to eachother They are only 10 and 7 so the Mrs isn't impressed..I must be a terrible parent..

That's nothing mate, I've taught my 3 yr old Grand Daughter to say/sing VERY Loudly; even in public "If You Hate Tottenham Stand UP!" So every time she gets down from the dining table or off the sofa etc she Says/ Sings it.... We looked after her for a long (4 days) week-end when her Mum & Dad went away back in August and when they came back My Work (as they say) was Done! She has now taught it to her friend in nursery.

That is fucking qualiteeee

[SteveO 35]

I'm amazed that we haven't heard from the enlightened John Cross yet, telling us all how Diet Pep is the second coming of the messiah that we should all be grateful and to be careful of what we wish for.

Cross is a fannybulge he really is Some of the shite he spouts he has to be a closet Spud.

A closet spud, it the one thing im dreading my son telling me one day.

My 2 lads go around calling them Tottenham Hotshite and Tottenham Cockspurs all the while giggling away to eachother They are only 10 and 7 so the Mrs isn't impressed..I must be a terrible parent..

Its calling passing the baton on my friend - look forward to Falkirk Jnrs amusing us when we're old and retired with tales of 'fannybulges' and numerous other amusing thread titles

[SteveO 35]

Talking about the Wenger similarities, did anyone pick up on this little gem last week?

https://www.premierleague.com/news/4212700

Apparently our brave heroes have been crowned Calendar Year Champions 2024 to go alongside the same prestigious trophy There's Only One delivered for us back in 2013

The good times are back

[augie]

There is no denying that for the most part the blind loyalty shown to wenger for the last decade or so absolutely fried my brain at times, but at the same time given the trophies he had brought us I could understand it a tiny bit, but the blind loyalty to el basque baffles the shit out of me - if he still had the squad he inherited you could MAYBE argue that he has shown that he can win a trophy with his squad, but he cast them aside and all he has shown since is how to spent £800m without winning anything Some try tp paint the narrative that the cone boy rescued us from the gutter, but as I constantly point out, in the previous season we had finished 5th in league and reached europa league final so it wasnt that we were in the shits so to speak. The squad he has assembled hasnt even shown the ability to get to a final much less win it, whilst the squad he inherited reached two finals in 18 months and won one of them. Without saka the lack of quality and depth in the cone boys squad is being seriously exposed, and after spending almost 800m that should not be the case

[Red Army 2]

There is no denying that for the most part the blind loyalty shown to wenger for the last decade or so absolutely fried my brain at times, but at the same time given the trophies he had brought us I could understand it a tiny bit, but the blind loyalty to el basque baffles the shit out of me - if he still had the squad he inherited you could MAYBE argue that he has shown that he can win a trophy with his squad, but he cast them aside and all he has shown since is how to spent £800m without winning anything Some try tp paint the narrative that the cone boy rescued us from the gutter, but as I constantly point out, in the previous season we had finished 5th in league and reached europa league final so it wasnt that we were in the shits so to speak. The squad he has assembled hasnt even shown the ability to get to a final much less win it, whilst the squad he inherited reached two finals in 18 months and won one of them. Without saka the lack of quality and depth in the cone boys squad is being seriously exposed, and after spending almost 800m that should not be the case

Exactly without Saka we are totally exposed as having no attacking threat...absolutely none

[SteveO 35]

There is no denying that for the most part the blind loyalty shown to wenger for the last decade or so absolutely fried my brain at times, but at the same time given the trophies he had brought us I could understand it a tiny bit, but the blind loyalty to el basque baffles the shit out of me - if he still had the squad he inherited you could MAYBE argue that he has shown that he can win a trophy with his squad, but he cast them aside and all he has shown since is how to spent £800m without winning anything Some try tp paint the narrative that the cone boy rescued us from the gutter, but as I constantly point out, in the previous season we had finished 5th in league and reached europa league final so it wasnt that we were in the shits so to speak. The squad he has assembled hasnt even shown the ability to get to a final much less win it, whilst the squad he inherited reached two finals in 18 months and won one of them. Without saka the lack of quality and depth in the cone boys squad is being seriously exposed, and after spending almost 800m that should not be the case

Exactly without Saka we are totally exposed as having no attacking threat...absolutely none

Despite the fact our 'master creator' and captain Odegaard has been back for weeks! His wonderful stats this season in 13 PL matches, 1 goal and 2 assists. Absolutely abysmal. What chance have we got when Martinelli can't beat a full back or cross a ball, Trossard not turning up all season and our wonderful captain with the grand total of 3 goal involvements. Terrible over reliance on Saka isn't it

[TeeCee]

There's a couple of journalists - low profile, one works for the Athletic paper amongst others. they sit in on all the pressers etc and they have both said separately that Arteta continually bangs on about having control in games, denying the opposition opportunities and that is why he has gone to this fucking awful possession based game. He wants us to have 70-80% possession because he thinks that it wins games
The problem now that Edu has gone, is that there's no-one with any football knowledge to actually pull Arteta aside and say 'it's not really working is it'? 'It's stopping us from scoring and making it very difficult to get through deep blocks'. Jason Ayto is not going to rock the boat because he won't want to lose his job!

Unless Arteta gets another idea into his head about how to play or he admits (some chance) that a slow, possession based game is not going to win a major trophy (it could win a CL technically as hardly any team that passes the quarter final stage will play a deep block), then Arsenal are fucked long term. He's not going anywhere considering he just signed a new contract, and the club won't sack him because they don't do that sort of thing and it would probably cost between £40-50m to get rid!!

[Retro Gunner]

There is no denying that for the most part the blind loyalty shown to wenger for the last decade or so absolutely fried my brain at times, but at the same time given the trophies he had brought us I could understand it a tiny bit, but the blind loyalty to el basque baffles the shit out of me - if he still had the squad he inherited you could MAYBE argue that he has shown that he can win a trophy with his squad, but he cast them aside and all he has shown since is how to spent £800m without winning anything Some try tp paint the narrative that the cone boy rescued us from the gutter, but as I constantly point out, in the previous season we had finished 5th in league and reached europa league final so it wasnt that we were in the shits so to speak. The squad he has assembled hasnt even shown the ability to get to a final much less win it, whilst the squad he inherited reached two finals in 18 months and won one of them. Without saka the lack of quality and depth in the cone boys squad is being seriously exposed, and after spending almost 800m that should not be the case

Hard to argue with this, but no doubt someone will. He's been given ample time and money and no one can seriously say that we're still building, when you consider the considerable number of dead beats he's bought and the fact that we're clearly regressing. Before some clown comes out with something about still building because we're looking for a striker, that misses the point that we've signed two dud strikers and that quality goal scorer should have been top of the priority list as soon as he took over.

End the season trophyless and he should be sacked, but as Tee Cee says above, it's highly unlikely to happen. While everyone ended up knowing that Wenger was washed up, some of us were on to him as early as 2006 and were convinced by 2007/08. That was a hell of a long time to watch and suffer the gradual, but inevitable decline to complete nothingness and hopelessness. The idea that the current malaise might be allowed to drift on for 2, 3, 4, 5 years, or even longer, is unthinkable. I hope I'm wrong, but 2 more seasons after this would be no surprise at all. We don't behave like a big club. It's why, despite Wenger's blowing off about how he could have gone to R Madrid blah, blah, he would never have done so, because he knew he'd get a season and no more if he won fuck all. In fact, winning the domestic cup in Spain is unlikely to keep you in a job at RM or Barca. We're a club that rewards mediocrity and I'm not confident that will change. Top 4 is good enough for the owners.

[Limerick Gooner]

He’s going absolutely nowhere unless we miss out on Champions League for two years in a row.

[mcdowell42]

Sean Dyche is available now

[Limerick Gooner]

Sean Dyche is available now

Are they bringing Arteta in?