Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Limerick Gooner]

If we sacked Arteta this Summer who do we think would take us to the next level?

[DB10GOONER]

Possibly I am clutching at straws here, but I'm not as sure as I was that another wenger scenario could unfold here where the fans remain loyal to the manager far longer than they should - I see a big number of fans comparing this to the Brendan Rodgers situation with the victims where he lifted them up a level but didnt have the experience or guile to lead them to trophies, and that kind of rational thinking is far more compelling than the arguments held over wenger. With wenger it got all emotional and people defended him based on emotion and criticised him emotionally to the point that it got abusive (me included), but the rodgers comparison kinda gives him praise for lifting us up but at the same time points to a rival club and how they behaved with their club started to go backwards and the ruthless ambition they showed helped lift them back up - like I keep saying this is not personal for any of us against the manager, but first and foremost we are Arsenal fans and the good of the club MUST come ahead of any loyalty to any manager, and that starts with a recognition and acceptance that he has lifted us as far as he can and that we need to bring in a manager that can improve us and lift us back to the winners podium again

To be honest augie I think you are not fully understanding the mindset of a huge number of our so called fans. Many of them unfortunately are from the younger generations. Culturally they are mostly hooked on the cult of personality. Like with Wenger, they have some perverse mode of being an Arsenal supporter whereby they actually support the manager more than the club in a way. They fall in love with the manager and cannot accept that the club must be put before their hero.

Their knee jerk reaction is "who could we get that's better?" This shows a basic lack of knowledge about football and management. We WON'T know if they definitely will be better until we try them out. All we can do is take an educated guess. Look at some of the superb players that made shit managers and vice versa. It's a chance every club takes with every appointment. Being afraid to fail is worse than trying and failing. We should never stick with a failing manager because of our fear of what the next guy might be like. Unfortunately that is the opposite to the mindset of a lot of our fans.

[Bob Bayliss]

If we sacked Arteta this Summer who do we think would take us to the next level?

Diego Simeone would. Whether he could be tempted to leave Atletico (currently above Barcelona and competing for La Liga with Real) is another matter. But a club with ambition would break the bank to tempt him, as Liverpool managed to tempt Klopp to take over when they got rid of Rodgers.

He'd certainly get rid of Partey before the ink was dry on his contract.

[Gunner Rob]

You have to look at this from the point of view of the Kroenkes.

I can imagine Stan sitting there asking for how his UK franchise is doing and being supplied with a spreadsheet. It will read:

22/23 2nd All tickets sold
23/24 2nd All tickets sold
24/25 currently 2nd All tickets sold

He will be delighted. Arteta is”over achieving”, when you consider that a top 4 finish is all that is required. A new manager won’t even be under consideration for at least another couple of years.

[xgtdec]

You have to look at this from the point of view of the Kroenkes.

I can imagine Stan sitting there asking for how his UK franchise is doing and being supplied with a spreadsheet. It will read:

22/23 2nd All tickets sold
23/24 2nd All tickets sold
24/25 currently 2nd All tickets sold

He will be delighted. Arteta is”over achieving”, when you consider that a top 4 finish is all that is required. A new manager won’t even be under consideration for at least another couple of years.

my next question if i were Stan is.....and how is the brand doing.

And the answer there is a lot less satisfactory, the truthful answer will be that we are on course for another fan base split with declining gate receipts and merch sales. The corporate ring just cant be sold they way it once was as the football is dreadful and theres no star attractions.

We are a bit of a joke club at the moment and its primarily our transfer strategy and our managers performance both on and off the pitch leading to us being perceived that way.

Anyone with the long term goal of keeping the money coming in wont like to hear that side of the story.

[Limerick Gooner]

I would take Arteta out if we had someone lined up that it is better. Honest conversation. Who is that? So far we have Diego Simeone on the shortlist.

[Gunner Rob]

I would take Arteta out if we had someone lined up that it is better. Honest conversation. Who is that? So far we have Diego Simeone on the shortlist.

That’s the wrong way of looking at it - there is always someone else available.
Who would have thought that Slot would have been so effective at Liverpool this season?

[Gunner Rob]

You have to look at this from the point of view of the Kroenkes.

I can imagine Stan sitting there asking for how his UK franchise is doing and being supplied with a spreadsheet. It will read:

22/23 2nd All tickets sold
23/24 2nd All tickets sold
24/25 currently 2nd All tickets sold

He will be delighted. Arteta is”over achieving”, when you consider that a top 4 finish is all that is required. A new manager won’t even be under consideration for at least another couple of years.

my next question if i were Stan is.....and how is the brand doing.

And the answer there is a lot less satisfactory, the truthful answer will be that we are on course for another fan base split with declining gate receipts and merch sales. The corporate ring just cant be sold they way it once was as the football is dreadful and theres no star attractions.

We are a bit of a joke club at the moment and its primarily our transfer strategy and our managers performance both on and off the pitch leading to us being perceived that way.

Anyone with the long term goal of keeping the money coming in wont like to hear that side of the story.

But are the merch sales declining?
There was a queue to get in the Arsenal shop on Tuesday evening.

A bit of criticism online doesn’t necessarily reflect the views of the wider fanbase.

[Limerick Gooner]

I would take Arteta out if we had someone lined up that it is better. Honest conversation. Who is that? So far we have Diego Simeone on the shortlist.

That’s the wrong way of looking at it - there is always someone else available.
Who would have thought that Slot would have been so effective at Liverpool this season?

So who do you rate then? It’s not a trick question. I’m not well read enough in European football.

[BFG4]

I love the club but there are some seriously cringey fuckers within our fanbase. The over estimating of the abilities of both our players and the manager is frightening. These sorts of people see an assist by Odegaard and think he's better than Fabregas
Then you have actual grown adults who think Pep was sat around fuming that we had 'Stole' Jesus and Zinchenko out from under him
Expecting people like that to see the managers faults and want him gone is beyond wishful thinking.
Things are going to get a lot worse in the next few seasons as there is fuck all chance that with almost a billion spent that Kroenke is going to give the level of funds needed to keep us up challenging in any meaningful way. We'll keep deteriorating under a guy working through his managerial apprenticeship

[augie]

You have to look at this from the point of view of the Kroenkes.

I can imagine Stan sitting there asking for how his UK franchise is doing and being supplied with a spreadsheet. It will read:

22/23 2nd All tickets sold
23/24 2nd All tickets sold
24/25 currently 2nd All tickets sold

He will be delighted. Arteta is”over achieving”, when you consider that a top 4 finish is all that is required. A new manager won’t even be under consideration for at least another couple of years.

With a transfer spent of almost £800m, do you honestly think that the kroenke's will feel that we are overachieving ??? If people on an internet forum can find our transfer spend and compare it to the likes of the dippers, do you not think that the kroenke's can source those figures too ??

[Bob Bayliss]

The Kronkes would sell to Elon Musk if he paid them three times what they know we are worth. Money is no object to him, and if he thinks owning "Gunners" would be a great fit with his MAGA credentials he might go for it just to troll Starmer. He could even ban the freeloader from attending, which would be a bonus.

[OneBardGooner]

You have to look at this from the point of view of the Kroenkes.

I can imagine Stan sitting there asking for how his UK franchise is doing and being supplied with a spreadsheet. It will read:

22/23 2nd All tickets sold
23/24 2nd All tickets sold
24/25 currently 2nd All tickets sold

He will be delighted. Arteta is”over achieving”, when you consider that a top 4 finish is all that is required. A new manager won’t even be under consideration for at least another couple of years.

my next question if i were Stan is.....and how is the brand doing.

And the answer there is a lot less satisfactory, the truthful answer will be that we are on course for another fan base split with declining gate receipts and merch sales. The corporate ring just cant be sold they way it once was as the football is dreadful and theres no star attractions.

We are a bit of a joke club at the moment and its primarily our transfer strategy and our managers performance both on and off the pitch leading to us being perceived that way.

Anyone with the long term goal of keeping the money coming in wont like to hear that side of the story.

But are the merch sales declining?
There was a queue to get in the Arsenal shop on Tuesday evening.

A bit of criticism online doesn’t necessarily reflect the views of the wider fanbase.

Therein lies a significant part of the problem, because those who queue and buy the merchandise are of that ilk / mind-set who think that Arteta is beyond reproach and to highlight his very obvious faults ie: criticise him, is viewed by the modern Fanboy/girl as being a Traitor... It was the same when Wenker was in charge and that 'stance / viewpoint' has only deepened to the point where they refuse to look beyond the Bollocks he keeps coming out with every week in interviews.

it reminds me of the MAGA Retards with Trump.

Arteta is their new Lord and Master and Shall lead Them To The Promised Land; I just keep waiting for one or more of the tourists to hold up a home painted portrait of him even though we will yet again end the season Trophyless....yet again.

[mcdowell42]

The old most goals in a calender Yr came up in his press conference today,now if only the season was from jan to December then we'd win everything

[SteveO 35]

The old most goals in a calender Yr came up in his press conference today,now if only the season was from jan to December then we'd win everything

Apparently a golden calendar of 2024 is being presented on the pitch tomorrow