Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[BFG4]

I would love to have a word with the Kronekes and ask them, what the fuck were you thinking? You sack Emery and think the answer is to give a novice the job and allow him 800 million to spend Anyone with half a brain would know that it was never going to work out.

[Gunner Rob]

I wouldn’t allow Arteta to spend a penny more.
I’m concerned that he is going to leave a real mess at the club as it is.

We are already in a situation where we have no strikers, a load of bang average midfielders, and a load of injury prone defenders.

There is no depth at all to the squad , which is shocking given how much money has been spent.

[xgtdec]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsena ... on-opinion

When im agreeing with the human tampon that is 365's John Nicholson......the game is well and truly up.

[Perryashburtongroves]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsena ... on-opinion

When im agreeing with the human tampon that is 365's John Nicholson......the game is well and truly up.

I never normally read stuff like that but did just now and find myself agreeing with it, especially the stuff about the club indulging this nonsense when it needs to be stopped. The whole "nearly" thing is worryingly similair to the Wanker years with the decade or more of "We're building for the future" and "We're looking towards next season because that's when this group will mature".
Shit football played by poorly recruited players playing out of position and vital areas of need completely ignored. Might as well be back in about 2014 again. It's about time we started to hear more about the money spent and lack of success. 800m for one cup with basically another manager's team over the course of five years. That's not acceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. There is no emotional attachement to Arteta, we don't owe him anything, he's a manager not a fucking family pet or an aging relative. It's not working, let's move on and try something new before it's too late. Him out, Alonso or the Brighton bloke in.

[Retro Gunner]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsena ... on-opinion

When im agreeing with the human tampon that is 365's John Nicholson......the game is well and truly up.

I don't know this journo xgt and you obviously don't like him, but yes, he's absolutely spot on here. Exposes the whole shaky facade and the final paragraph nails the supine, simpering and gutless character of a huge section of our support base. Terrified of change, but what could they possibly be losing? I said somewhere on here the other day that the only risk is replacing failure with failure, which is no risk at all.

[wibble]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsena ... on-opinion

When im agreeing with the human tampon that is 365's John Nicholson......the game is well and truly up.

I never normally read stuff like that but did just now and find myself agreeing with it, especially the stuff about the club indulging this nonsense when it needs to be stopped. The whole "nearly" thing is worryingly similair to the Wanker years with the decade or more of "We're building for the future" and "We're looking towards next season because that's when this group will mature".
Shit football played by poorly recruited players playing out of position and vital areas of need completely ignored. Might as well be back in about 2014 again. It's about time we started to hear more about the money spent and lack of success. 800m for one cup with basically another manager's team over the course of five years. That's not acceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. There is no emotional attachement to Arteta, we don't owe him anything, he's a manager not a fucking family pet or an aging relative. It's not working, let's move on and try something new before it's too late. Him out, Alonso or the Brighton bloke in.

Too late, De Zerbi left in the summer

[Retro Gunner]

As no end of us have said on here...and said it at the time...Arteta should never have been appointed in the first place. How can a club which claims to have aspirations of competing with the clubs on the top table, appoint a fucking complete novice? In fairness, he did well to get us to where we were in the previous two seasons (I'd have sacked him at the end of the 21/22 season), but he's peaked and it's over. Perry made a good analogy about the Rodgers spell at Liverpool, where he peaked with that near miss in the league and declined rapidly the following season. Liverpool didn't stall in pulling the trigger, but I fear we'll be doomed to watch this fiasco unfold for quite some time.

The striker situation is the single biggest reason that Arteta needs to be moved on. He was arrogant enough to ignore what the whole world could see and that's ok if you bring success, but you're fucked with nowhere to hide if you fail. I said when we signed Havertz that he would be the rock upon which Arteta would founder. Well, he absolutely should be, as was clearly evidenced yesterday. As much as I was against the Jesus signing, at least the guy has some footballing ability, admittedly not the level we need and definitely not as a goalscorer, but Havertz is an embarrassment of a footballer. After wanting Xhaka gone from almost the moment we signed him, I thought Christmas had come when he went in the summer of 2023, but then we signed Kai fucking Havertz in the same window!! From euphoria to my head in my hands in the blink of an eye.

[Retro Gunner]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsena ... on-opinion

When im agreeing with the human tampon that is 365's John Nicholson......the game is well and truly up.

I never normally read stuff like that but did just now and find myself agreeing with it, especially the stuff about the club indulging this nonsense when it needs to be stopped. The whole "nearly" thing is worryingly similair to the Wanker years with the decade or more of "We're building for the future" and "We're looking towards next season because that's when this group will mature".
Shit football played by poorly recruited players playing out of position and vital areas of need completely ignored. Might as well be back in about 2014 again. It's about time we started to hear more about the money spent and lack of success. 800m for one cup with basically another manager's team over the course of five years. That's not acceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. There is no emotional attachement to Arteta, we don't owe him anything, he's a manager not a fucking family pet or an aging relative. It's not working, let's move on and try something new before it's too late. Him out, Alonso or the Brighton bloke in.

Too late, De Zerbi left in the summer

[Gunner Rob]

Fantastic article that.
And should we lose to Spurs and Villa this week then the knives will be being sharpened in the national press too.

What I am sick of hearing though is that Arteta has won an FA Cup. Techincally yes but they were with Emerys players. He also took over once the club had got to the quarter final stage. In the FIVE years since Arteta has managed to win just TWO FA Cup ties. For that alone he needs to be sacked.

[xgtdec]

Fantastic article that.
And should we lose to Spurs and Villa this week then the knives will be being sharpened in the national press too.

What I am sick of hearing though is that Arteta has won an FA Cup. Techincally yes but they were with Emerys players. He also took over once the club had got to the quarter final stage. In the FIVE years since Arteta has managed to win just TWO FA Cup ties. For that alone he needs to be sacked.

not forgetting the charity shields he's brought in.....jesus sign him up to an even longer deal before we lose him to a rival

[Limerick Gooner]

The reality is that up until this season the League was a write off unless you were perfect. I can’t understand the angst about the previous few seasons. We had 2 rebuilding years and then 2 decent attempts at the League vs a City machine. Surely this was beyond our expectation considering the ashes Wenger left behind. This season I get it. He has blown our chance by refusing to strengthen the forward line. He wanted a striker but when he couldn’t get Sesko he tried to make us hard to beat and to control games. It hasn’t worked. But the previous two seasons were more than decent and we were best of the rest by some distance.

The reality is that Cups are not going to do it. If he had done a Ten Haag and won the FA Cup and League Cup but had us finishing 8th up to last season with no progress year on year then he would be getting dog’s abuse. I don’t get why domestic cups would have got him anywhere. I suppose a close second and a Cup may have kept the wolves from the door but ultimately the chatter on this site is that he has to win the League or the Champions League to justify his transfer spend. Seems a pretty high bar and not a lot of margin for error.

It’s a tough spot to be as you either win the League and you’re a hero or you miss out by a couple of points and you are a bad manager. It’s simply not the case is it? This season he has blown it but I would let him have this season and rebuild next year. If he doesn’t improve us next season then he’s out. This is clearly what the Board will do. No way are they sacking a guy who just signed a new long term contract.

[Nick Nack]

Fantastic article that.
And should we lose to Spurs and Villa this week then the knives will be being sharpened in the national press too.

What I am sick of hearing though is that Arteta has won an FA Cup. Techincally yes but they were with Emerys players. He also took over once the club had got to the quarter final stage. In the FIVE years since Arteta has managed to win just TWO FA Cup ties. For that alone he needs to be sacked.

not forgetting the charity shields he's brought in.....jesus sign him up to an even longer deal before we lose him to a rival

Losing two cup ties at home in less than the space of a week should be the final nail for this shite-hawk

[Limerick Gooner]

Fantastic article that.
And should we lose to Spurs and Villa this week then the knives will be being sharpened in the national press too.

What I am sick of hearing though is that Arteta has won an FA Cup. Techincally yes but they were with Emerys players. He also took over once the club had got to the quarter final stage. In the FIVE years since Arteta has managed to win just TWO FA Cup ties. For that alone he needs to be sacked.

not forgetting the charity shields he's brought in.....jesus sign him up to an even longer deal before we lose him to a rival

Losing two cup ties at home in less than the space of a week should be the final nail for this shite-hawk

We missed a boatload of sitters. We didn’t get outplayed. Take a third of our chances and we are well in both Cups. It is a bizarre couple of games to see us miss this many chances. Never normally happens.

[Gunner Rob]

Fantastic article that.
And should we lose to Spurs and Villa this week then the knives will be being sharpened in the national press too.

What I am sick of hearing though is that Arteta has won an FA Cup. Techincally yes but they were with Emerys players. He also took over once the club had got to the quarter final stage. In the FIVE years since Arteta has managed to win just TWO FA Cup ties. For that alone he needs to be sacked.

not forgetting the charity shields he's brought in.....jesus sign him up to an even longer deal before we lose him to a rival

Losing two cup ties at home in less than the space of a week should be the final nail for this shite-hawk

We missed a boatload of sitters. We didn’t get outplayed. Take a third of our chances and we are well in both Cups. It is a bizarre couple of games to see us miss this many chances. Never normally happens.

Rubbish
This is the 5th season in a row we have failed in the FA Cup
Unless we turn things around it will be yet another failure in the League Cup
Give it another month and it will be another failure in the Champions League
Another month and it will be be more failure in the league.

Arteta is a serial LOSER
We always miss the big chances with him

[Retro Gunner]

Fantastic article that.
And should we lose to Spurs and Villa this week then the knives will be being sharpened in the national press too.

What I am sick of hearing though is that Arteta has won an FA Cup. Techincally yes but they were with Emerys players. He also took over once the club had got to the quarter final stage. In the FIVE years since Arteta has managed to win just TWO FA Cup ties. For that alone he needs to be sacked.

not forgetting the charity shields he's brought in.....jesus sign him up to an even longer deal before we lose him to a rival

Losing two cup ties at home in less than the space of a week should be the final nail for this shite-hawk

We missed a boatload of sitters. We didn’t get outplayed. Take a third of our chances and we are well in both Cups. It is a bizarre couple of games to see us miss this many chances. Never normally happens.

Rubbish
This is the 5th season in a row we have failed in the FA Cup
Unless we turn things around it will be yet another failure in the League Cup
Give it another month and it will be another failure in the Champions League
Another month and it will be be more failure in the league.

Arteta is a serial LOSER
We always miss the big chances with him

Exactly. Big clubs and quality managers don't scratch around for weak excuses. The games were far from bizarre and the pattern of both games and the outcomes surprised almost no one on here. It was largely predicted. That should tell you everything. An example of a bizarre game was the 2001 FA Cup Final, where we played well, battered the scousers, should have been 3 or 4 up, but got mugged at the death. We didn't play at all well in either of these recently lost cup ties and to say "we weren't outplayed", is a lame effort to suggest we were the unlucky better side. Nonsense. We were out-thought and beaten tactically. Teams have sussed our strengths and weaknesses and found out that it's not difficult to nullify our threat....such as it is.

Newcastle managed the game and handled us pretty comfortably from start to finish. Anyone would think we had a hatful of gilt edged chances, when in fact we had 3 or 4 where we ought to have done better, a couple of which were set piece headers. From open play we barely worked their keeper. Wasn't it an hour or more in before an effort on target? It's juvenile for anyone to list 2 or 3 missed chances as evidence of some mystically unusual ill fate. Every side at home ought to create chances and a lot more than we've been doing, the difference being that decent sides have strikers to convert them.

As for the mancs, they're a poor side, but the manager had them organised to contain us and apart from a 15-20 minute spell after the hour mark, we again created little. In fact, in the second period of extra time, they looked more dangerous.

Not having a creative player in centre mid and even worse, not having a striker worthy of the name, is Legohead's choice and the blame sits squarely on his shoulders.