ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[the playing mantis]

Also seems zubimendi talk may be massively premature. Which is disappointing. And striker rumours very quiet. FFS get it done and done quick. Our need is so obvious. Although vlahovic is also a bit of a donkey it seems if it is him on loan.

I guess the question would be is vlahovic a slightly better and more clinical donkey thatn the kraut munching donkey we already have.

Yep couldn't be worse could he!

But my concern is the sheep will use his own donkeyness to somehow justify it as can't improve on the German...and come summer back to square 1

Buy oshimem or isak and they can't argue although appreciate isak is a pipedream now.

[augie]

And gykores record at Coventry was crap.

Portugal is a weak league so the price for him is crazy.

A few years back we were linked with a Colombia fella called Jackson Martinez who was tearing it up in Portugal.
He went to atletico and was crap.

Interesting article in today's times about the Uzbek bloke going to city but what caught my eye was the risk reward approach the big clubs now take. The brentford and Brighton's sign obscure players on the cheap and most are probably duds but a few turn out brilliant and they can cash in. Whereas the big clubs at least here (chavs trolley dash TBF included cheap prospects so not all) either sign very young 18 year olds marked as the next xyz, on big bucks or huge money signings at a premium for the flavour of the month from teams who have taken the risk and developed cheap random signings, like gykores or caicedo.

I know Augie' amongst others has bashed our transfer policy for buying loads of duds including cheap duds. But seems to me we should be signing more of these cheap players who could be crap or who might kick on and become in demand.

Appreciate wouldn't necessarily want to play them in first team when chasing big titles l, so the likes of Brighton can ease them in as less is at stake, but we can loan them, introduce incredibly gradually from the now mahoosive subs bench, a luxury that didn't use to exist.

I'm sure the club has greater minds at work and don't do this for a reason but surely is and other big clubs are missing out for what is a peanuts outlay really considering we then have to sign these players for 100m once established at these middling clubs, with no guarantee they can actually cut it at highest level, the likes of Portuguese and Dutch league signings being the obvious ones that can and do fail despite big money fees.

One thing in wengers credit, and I appreciate the transfer market hadn't gone barmy and scouting wasn't much of a thing overseas so he had it untapped to an extent (but I'm not really looking at his french signings who would all be scouted to shit now by everyone, petit, paddy, gilles, Henry) was he signed a load of cheap probably never will be's (Mendez Rodriguez, wreh, boa morte etc) but some became stars and repaid that overall spend...prime example is kolo toure...wheres the next kolo coming from for us?

Problem with AW was when he started putting the duds in despite very clearly being utter crap...stepanovs anyone!

Seems an age since we made any of these obscure not teenage player signings to see what happens. As mentioned chavs amongst there big money boely dash did sign a load of cheap OS and city sign lower value risky reward players, we don't seem to anymore and think we are missing out.

Not exactly accurate there mantis - ask me my favourite AFC transfer of all time and I will probably tell you that it would be anelka who we bought for 250k and sold for £23.5m - I love the deals where we buy a player like freddie ljungberg for relative peanuts and they become stars, but what the cone boy (and edu) have been doing is buying players like sambi, tavares, marquinos etc and not giving them a proper chance and then binning them off, and that pisses me off enormously. In reality we dont have the squad depth to be able to piss away money like those two have been doing - if you are buying players cheap then more often than not it is because they are not ready for top level or are not proven at the top level yet, therefore you will have to be patient with them and take your bruises along the way as they are developing, but these fools seem to be buying cheap and expecting ready made success and writing them off if they dont hit the ground running straight away. In my opinion if you want ready made success, then you pay top dollar, but we have paid top dollar on duds too so they aint getting that right either. I went through the purchases the other day (on some thread on here) and I honestly dont think we would make a profit on any more than 4 or 5 of their buys Again how and what you do in the transfer market should always be influenced by how your squad is at that time - if you have a strong team and squad then you can afford to take a punt on unknown talent because you will have the time to bed them in, but we are using the same core of 14-15 players all season and are running them into the ground as a result, so either his mindset and patience has to change with these squad players, or he has to spend more on more established players

Re the striker position though, this is one where I believe that we need to go big and buy proven talent - this is one of these times where the purchase is also needed to lift the confidence of the fans as much as that of the team, and I dont often go down that road. A victims fan was saying to me yesterday that it looked fierce bad the other night that the players had to shout at the fans to get them going for a derby game - I disagreed with him because imo the fans have been let down by these players and manager so many times that it is natural that their confidence is on the floor right now.

[the playing mantis]

Wasn't calling you out just name check as I know there was a big tedious argument with general and 5 for Limerick (Quinton!) about duds profit valuations!

I forgot Freddie's bargain but super nic I'm lumping in the France bracket he would have been hoovered up as next big thing if other clubs scouts had bothered back then. Aw had France market all to himself really. (Although he gets credit still but was easier for him to navigate for obvious reasons) Freddie ,kolo proper obscure ones who get more credit imo.

Agree these guys need more of a chance although TBF sambi and tavares haven't shown anything imo either on loan or with usnto suggest they have anything.

[Limerick Gooner]

Wasn't calling you out just name check as I know there was a big tedious argument with general and 5 for Limerick (Quinton!) about duds profit valuations!

I forgot Freddie's bargain but super nic I'm lumping in the France bracket he would have been hoovered up as next big thing if other clubs scouts had bothered back then. Aw had France market all to himself really. (Although he gets credit still but was easier for him to navigate for obvious reasons) Freddie ,kolo proper obscure ones who get more credit imo.

Agree these guys need more of a chance although TBF sambi and tavares haven't shown anything imo either on loan or with usnto suggest they have anything.

Was there?

[OneBardGooner]

I’d take Vlahovic on loan with an option, if that’s available. No lasting damage if he stinks up the place.

Exactamondo!

[OneBardGooner]

There are 2 players we should be looking at and that Sulemana and Dibling of Southampton...The pace and skills of Sulemana is unreal and Dibling is a natural finisher. Southampton are doomed so we should be making an offer for both of them NOW!

[SteveO 35]

Whatever happens now is too late.

There'll be some no mark joining on loan won't there with 3 seconds left on the deadline day clock. I mean it worked so well with Sterling so why not

[augie]

Do not give this useless arrogant c.unt another penny to spend

[General]

There are 2 players we should be looking at and that Sulemana and Dibling of Southampton...The pace and skills of Sulemana is unreal and Dibling is a natural finisher. Southampton are doomed so we should be making an offer for both of them NOW!

If we hadn’t used up our domestic quota for loan signings, it wouldn’t been worth a try but both are too raw to make them permanent signings for me. We need a world class striker now and there is no way around it.

[Perryashburtongroves]

Whatever happens now is too late.

There'll be some no mark joining on loan won't there with 3 seconds left on the deadline day clock. I mean it worked so well with Sterling so why not

No club is selling anyone decent to us in January. We might get some 6/10 player in on loan who will do about enough to get himself a permanent deal but isn't anywhere near good enough to make a difference. Then we'll be stuck with him for another three years and the cycle will continue like it did from 2008-18.
He had his opportunity to get someone in two years ago then a year ago then last summer and chose not to. There really is no excuse for the failure to buy an out and out goalscorer last June or July. It's gross fucking negligence and now we're paying the price yet again for fucking fuck's sake. Never fucking changes; always two players short even when we're at full strength and then no strength in depth when we have the inevitable injury crises. No decent manager would have a squad so imbalanced after spending 800m quid. It's fucking beyond belief.

[Midz]

Been out this morning, did we buy anyone?

[OneBardGooner]

There are 2 players we should be looking at and that Sulemana and Dibling of Southampton...The pace and skills of Sulemana is unreal and Dibling is a natural finisher. Southampton are doomed so we should be making an offer for both of them NOW!

If we hadn’t used up our domestic quota for loan signings, it wouldn’t been worth a try but both are too raw to make them permanent signings for me. We need a world class striker now and there is no way around it.

Agreed, but thought those 2 would / could be cheaper options in the short term: this window.

[OneBardGooner]

We are NOT Winning the Title or the CL... Plain to see as can be.


Seeing as No Striker or Cover/s for our Flank players are coming in....

In terms of Transfers etc: The First Thing the Club Needs to Ensure tis that he following players are shown the door ASAP:


Zinchenko - the worst defensive player since Santos
Partey - where do I start
Jesus - made of soft plastic and was never good enough
Havertz - to think we could have paid the same kind of money for Gyokeres or Isak is the stuff of Nightmares and is ALL on Arten Wenker
Merino - Just a Big NO...
Calafiori (Good player but a Perma-crock)
Tomiyasu (good full back but again Balsa knees)
Tierney - Genuinely decent player, nice lad and always gives everything,hard working etc - but like Wilshere blighted by constant injury.
Jorginho - once a decent player... "Once" not anymore
and of course then we have sterling what for me is a CRIME that we even gave him a glance never mind signing him.... an all time low in the history of Arsenal signings..along with Sanogo, Santos, the guy with the crocked back etc. etc etc

That's NINE bought Players and ONE Absolute Disaster brought in who have FAILED MASSIVELY... And of course there are those players (still) on loan...


#arsen teta OUT

[Retro Gunner]

Regardless of the various weaknesses in the side, we all know that the huge, gaping hole is that we have no top quality, goal scoring striker.

Although he should have filled that gap as a priority from day one (instead, he bought Jesus and then Havertz ), the prime time to add that top level CF, for whatever he might cost, was last summer. We had just completed a really good league campaign, where the whole football world knew that if we’d had the right striker, we might have pipped City to the title. That’s a great selling point to any top level prospective signing. Joining a top club who are on the up and where he can be the final piece to assure success and the big trophies.

That situation has dramatically altered. Come this summer we’ll be back in the Wenger zone of no top quality players wanting to join us. A half arsed season, probably Saliba going and I wouldn’t be too sure about Saka hanging about for long. Players and their agents will see a manager that’s past his sell by date and I suspect a playing staff that are losing or have lost confidence in the “process”. I fear we won’t sign the quality CF we need this summer, even if Legohead miraculously saw the necessity, because a top quality player won’t want to come.

[SteveO 35]

Often its said that no strikers are available in the January window but it's apparent from those in the know that Gyokeres, Osimhen, Sesko and one or two others are

So what's the hold up? Doesn't fancy any of them? Rather save all his money for another midfielder like Zubimendi most likely

Honestly, it makes me laugh when stuff drags on till deadline day. You'd have thought a striker would have been lined up for 1st Jan with all the background discussions taking place for weeks previously.

Meanwhile it's cost us two cups and any realistic chance of getting into a proper race with Liverpool