Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Retro Gunner]

It's not the dog's fault . If Sterling took him for a few walks he might lose a bit of weight.

Even at a slow pace he couldn't keep up with the Dog.

Did they ever find out what happened to the Tottenham dog that Son used to walk? Went missing apparently.

[OneBardGooner]

It's not the dog's fault . If Sterling took him for a few walks he might lose a bit of weight.

Even at a slow pace he couldn't keep up with the Dog.

Did they ever find out what happened to the Tottenham dog that Son used to walk? Went missing apparently.

Dunno mate, but that must really be eating him up.

[Retro Gunner]

It's not the dog's fault . If Sterling took him for a few walks he might lose a bit of weight.

Even at a slow pace he couldn't keep up with the Dog.

Did they ever find out what happened to the Tottenham dog that Son used to walk? Went missing apparently.

Dunno mate, but that must really be eating him up.

Hot Dogs! Hot Dogs!


I'll get me coat.

[BFG4]

I seen a clip doing the rounds of Joe Cole saying on TNT that Arsenal fans should be glad that we have Arteta and aren't in United or Spurs position
I know the guy is a fucking idiot but get ready for alot more of this bollox over the next few seasons

[nut flush gooner]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

[DB10GOONER]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

[augie]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

If we win the champions league then I would agree 100% that he has to be given another season to try to win the premier league, but any other outcome would have me still wanting him replaced tbh. It's funny but if in the summer he brought in an upgrade to play in the 10 instead of disappearing captain, then MAYBE I would be willing to give him another season because it would tell me that he is willing to stop playing his favourites and is willing to see things for what they are, but sadly I dont see that happening ever with odeargod and that is a poor reflection on any manager imo

[Retro Gunner]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

[SteveO 35]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

If he gets us to the final of the CL and combined with Berta has a successful summer in the market, then in my opinion he absolutely deserves to carry on. A limpdicked defeat in a final followed by the inability to sign the right players, and i see it being like 2006 revisited which then saw Wenger given 12 years to try and complete the never ending jigsaw puzzle. For a few years Wenger had some degree of legitimacy to his claims of budget restrictions when we first moved. Arteta has no such restrictions heading into this Summer

[Nick Nack]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

[nut flush gooner]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

Lads, I know you are all massive Arsenal fans, I found the RM game quite humbling for many reasons.

It showed me how desperate other fans are for us to continue to fail. They are now genuinely scared that we could get over the line.

I wouldn't call myself a 100% committed Arteta fan. I look at what else is out there and wonder if they could have turned the team around to get to this position. This morning, I watched a replay of the 2018 worthless cup game final, our end was empty from the 70th minute. We are light years from that side today. All I can say is if we keep knocking at the door we will finally hit the jackpot and I can't think of any other manager that could get us there. I listened to Dekkers interview after the game, he along with Saka are two of the most genuine footballers in the modern day game. They are 100% behind Arteta and they mean it, don't just say it.

[Retro Gunner]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

Lads, I know you are all massive Arsenal fans, I found the RM game quite humbling for many reasons.

It showed me how desperate other fans are for us to continue to fail. They are now genuinely scared that we could get over the line.

I wouldn't call myself a 100% committed Arteta fan. I look at what else is out there and wonder if they could have turned the team around to get to this position. This morning, I watched a replay of the 2018 worthless cup game final, our end was empty from the 70th minute. We are light years from that side today. All I can say is if we keep knocking at the door we will finally hit the jackpot and I can't think of any other manager that could get us there. I listened to Dekkers interview after the game, he along with Saka are two of the most genuine footballers in the modern day game. They are 100% behind Arteta and they mean it, don't just say it.

Fair enough nutty, that’s a good post. You and I have had our differences in the past and I’ve no doubt we still won’t always agree, but discussing opinions civilly is what this should be all about.

You’re right, everyone on here is a huge Arsenal fan and that’s why passions run high, but we all want the same thing and that is unbridled success for our club. The debate is around different opinions for what might make that success a reality.

There’s nothing we’d all love more than winning the CL and getting that monkey off our shoulder.

UP THE GUNNERS

[OneBardGooner]

It's not the dog's fault . If Sterling took him for a few walks he might lose a bit of weight.

Even at a slow pace he couldn't keep up with the Dog.

Did they ever find out what happened to the Tottenham dog that Son used to walk? Went missing apparently.

Dunno mate, but that must really be eating him up.

Hot Dogs! Hot Dogs!


I'll get me coat.

Just thought it was about time to Ketchup on your post mate

[OneBardGooner]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

Lads, I know you are all massive Arsenal fans, I found the RM game quite humbling for many reasons.

It showed me how desperate other fans are for us to continue to fail. They are now genuinely scared that we could get over the line.

I wouldn't call myself a 100% committed Arteta fan. I look at what else is out there and wonder if they could have turned the team around to get to this position. This morning, I watched a replay of the 2018 worthless cup game final, our end was empty from the 70th minute. We are light years from that side today. All I can say is if we keep knocking at the door we will finally hit the jackpot and I can't think of any other manager that could get us there. I listened to Dekkers interview after the game, he along with Saka are two of the most genuine footballers in the modern day game. They are 100% behind Arteta and they mean it, don't just say it.

Really Good Post Nutty... Very Articulate and well said

[the playing mantis]

Yes good post nutty and players are clearly behind him, but what do you feel about the lack of striker and not just this season and certain areas lacking depth like the wings...as well as overplaying the first teamers (which even le grove and arseblog bang on about) surely you see why some want him gone given those blind spots?

And im saying this not from a rabid or even strong arteta out mindset as my posting on here evidences, I'm sceptical and getting tired of what I fear is history repeating re the blind spots and league slump but see the positives he brought to.

The frustration I have is had we signed a proper strike instead of havertz we would probably have 1 if not 2 titles come the end of this season and I cannot understand why it's not been addressed, just as it was with AW always a couple of players away from being top top level (and in respect of AW I mean in Europe and at various stages of his post invincible rebuild)